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_ _ (I've done my best to faithfully, and phrase-for-phrase literally, translate the German article, and i'd rather clarify the situation by limiting my edits to
_ _ A good article generally starts with a dictdef in the lead sent. You don't get good English dictdefs by faithfully translating a German dictdef or other German lead, so the accompanying article probably needs a dictdef added or substituted in.
_ _ The three original revisions were deleted (AFAI can see, out of process), tagged at 06:19, 8 December 2006 with
and deleted 07:42, 8 December 2006 with comment/summary
(Dictdef is not presently, and IIRC, at that time dictdef was not, a
CSD at that time, and in point of fact, investigation shows that not all the substance of the cut-and-pasted material was protected by copyright.)
_ _ For the benefit of those working on the lead, the deleted article embodied four dictdefs, the first 3 subject to copyright protection:
I'm not going to take time to compare and discuss them (beyond observing that its child's play to avoid infringement, by paraphrasing a dictdef), so it's not clear that reproducing them on this talk page would be fair use, and it's easy enough for others to go look there, since none of those three sources seems to require registration.
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Jerzy•
t 04:34 &
04:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I puzzled some over the
page lk'd by the German WP article, and
Google's spotty and wretched, but impressive, translation of it. Without attempting a detailed translation, my understanding of the thrust of it is that in the 19th century, attempts to imitate the earlier garments, based almost entirely on paintings, failed in thinking the jabot was a feature of the shirt, etc., when in fact it was held in place on the wearer's body long enough for the jabot and garment to be stitched together; the stitching was cut before removing the garment; and in particular, the expensive lace jabots would have been ruined if they had be washed with the sturdier garments they were worn with.
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Jerzy•
t
05:02, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
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_ _ (I've done my best to faithfully, and phrase-for-phrase literally, translate the German article, and i'd rather clarify the situation by limiting my edits to
_ _ A good article generally starts with a dictdef in the lead sent. You don't get good English dictdefs by faithfully translating a German dictdef or other German lead, so the accompanying article probably needs a dictdef added or substituted in.
_ _ The three original revisions were deleted (AFAI can see, out of process), tagged at 06:19, 8 December 2006 with
and deleted 07:42, 8 December 2006 with comment/summary
(Dictdef is not presently, and IIRC, at that time dictdef was not, a
CSD at that time, and in point of fact, investigation shows that not all the substance of the cut-and-pasted material was protected by copyright.)
_ _ For the benefit of those working on the lead, the deleted article embodied four dictdefs, the first 3 subject to copyright protection:
I'm not going to take time to compare and discuss them (beyond observing that its child's play to avoid infringement, by paraphrasing a dictdef), so it's not clear that reproducing them on this talk page would be fair use, and it's easy enough for others to go look there, since none of those three sources seems to require registration.
--
Jerzy•
t 04:34 &
04:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I puzzled some over the
page lk'd by the German WP article, and
Google's spotty and wretched, but impressive, translation of it. Without attempting a detailed translation, my understanding of the thrust of it is that in the 19th century, attempts to imitate the earlier garments, based almost entirely on paintings, failed in thinking the jabot was a feature of the shirt, etc., when in fact it was held in place on the wearer's body long enough for the jabot and garment to be stitched together; the stitching was cut before removing the garment; and in particular, the expensive lace jabots would have been ruined if they had be washed with the sturdier garments they were worn with.
--
Jerzy•
t
05:02, 2 April 2008 (UTC)