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See page 21 of the Sunday, April 16, 2006 NYT Book Review "Rent-a-Genius" , where John Horgan provides missing information, e.g., Mildred Goldberger named JASON. 204.210.35.48 14:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
"DARPA's decision came after Jason's refusal to allow DARPA to select three new Jason members, two of whom were Silicon Valley execs without PhDs and thus "unqualified" by the standards of eminent academics." Who were these 3, and were 2 SV execs? Does Ann Finkbeiner know? GangofOne 23:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually, she doesn't know. Nobody wanted to embarrass these guys by naming them. Apparently the "Silicon Valley exec" part is true, and apparently the third was an engineer whose credentials didn't rise to stellar. But I know that only from the Jasons, not from these people themselves. ~Ann Finkbeiner
Is it JASONs? Jasons?
The article switches taxonomy throughout.
Just about everybody uses JASONs, including the Jasons themselves. But the name is not an acronym, those letters stand for nothing. It's just the name, the Greek hero, Jason. So I personally don't capitalize. ~Ann Finkbeiner
The recent series of vandalisms and fixes in this article have left it with both errors and unnecessary deletions. Can the article be reverted to the version of July 2? 151.196.116.140 15:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)Ann Finkbeiner
In other words, I don't know how to revert the article to the last unvandalized version. Can a Wiki administrator help?
This isn't on the FAS page listed. Can anyone provide a link to the text ? Rod57 ( talk) 16:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Public revelation of membership in a group like this is likely to subject people to politically-motivated attacks and harassment. Thus, it comes under WP:BLP -- unsourced information about living persons, particularly stuff likely to subject them to harassment or to invade their privacy, must be removed. Even if it can be sourced, I don't see that it's particularly tasteful or relevant, except where a person's membership makes the news for some reason. Ray Talk 20:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
I also agree with removal of the membership list. It could not be reliably sourced because the membership is not public. Those Jasons who personally are public would make for a shortish and incomplete list; I suppose such an incomplete list would serve to illustrate Jason's significance, and would therefore be a compromise in this discussion. But the list as it stood was, to my knowledge, wrong and (without calling everybody up and asking) unverifiable. AKath ( talk) 14:39, 2 April 2009
I've started to compile a properly-sourced list, which you can see at User:Tillman/JASON founders, members, past and present. I think this will pass muster for WP:BLP concerns, but I thought I should present a draft before spending more time on it. Please have a look, and see what you think. Please feel free to tinker with the draft as well. Thanks, Pete Tillman ( talk) 05:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
If (as I suspect) this is the group's current website; http://jasonscholars.com/ then they are (currently) known by another name (JasonScholars) and weren't established in 1960, but in 1953 as surmised by William Cooper here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahCtYD3w-xQ and confirmed by the above (their?) website. Anyways, seeing as I am n00b, I'm not comfortable updating the page myself, nor am I qualified to move it (if that needs to happen). Now I'll try signing my user name; Thomash —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomash ( talk • contribs) 12:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
The Jasons don't have a website. The group has attracted a number of conspiracy theorists, and at some point in the theory, Jason Scholars came into being. As far as I know, Jason Scholars is not real. AKath ( talk) 14:07, 13 May 2010 (UTC)Ann
From the article: The name "JASON" is sometimes explained as an acronym, standing either for "July August September October November", the months in which the group would typically meet; or, tongue in cheek, for "Junior Achiever, Somewhat Older Now". However, neither explanation is correct; in fact, the name is not an acronym at all. It is a reference to Jason, a character from Greek mythology. The wife of one of the founders (Mildred Goldberger) thought the name given by the defense department, Project Sunrise, was unimaginative and suggested the group be named for a hero and his search. -- The Cunctator ( talk) 23:10, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
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I changed the wording slightly in the introduction. I think the old wording ("the group was first created as a way to get a younger generation of scientists involved in advising the government") gives the wrong impression. It wasn't focused on the age of scientists; it was focused on getting the best of the current generation involved in defense problems, and was motivated by the Sputnik launch. Support for this comes from Ann Finkbeiner's book. To be more specific, the book quotes John Weeler (who was involved in the creation of JASON) as saying "It's hard to reconstruct now the sense of doom when we were on the ground and Sputnik was up in the sky" (page 25), and goes on to say "And we thought the thing to do was to get a way for new people to get involved in defense problems" (page 26). Regarding which scientists to select, the book says: "York said they just picked the best scientists" (page 28). I think that's the key: they focused on picking good scientists rather than young scientists. In fact, the book says that the scientists were "still not all that young: they were, on average, in their early forties" (page 29). So the purpose wasn't to select young scientists; the purpose was to select the best of the current generation of scientists who were still in the prime of their career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.80.55.88 ( talk) 18:09, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if this rises to the level of entry, but other Wikipedia sites have sections on the subjects in popular culture. The Jasons are a key feature in James Rollins's novel The Last Oracle. Kdammers ( talk) 18:29, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
The source given makes no connection between JASON and those things. It says MacDonald was part of JASON, and it says MacDonald worked on that, but not that he worked on that within JASON. Given that there are three prominent climate change deniers in the list of chairs, Nierenberg, Happer and Koonin, the sentence seems dubious to me, but what do I know? -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 19:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
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See page 21 of the Sunday, April 16, 2006 NYT Book Review "Rent-a-Genius" , where John Horgan provides missing information, e.g., Mildred Goldberger named JASON. 204.210.35.48 14:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
"DARPA's decision came after Jason's refusal to allow DARPA to select three new Jason members, two of whom were Silicon Valley execs without PhDs and thus "unqualified" by the standards of eminent academics." Who were these 3, and were 2 SV execs? Does Ann Finkbeiner know? GangofOne 23:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually, she doesn't know. Nobody wanted to embarrass these guys by naming them. Apparently the "Silicon Valley exec" part is true, and apparently the third was an engineer whose credentials didn't rise to stellar. But I know that only from the Jasons, not from these people themselves. ~Ann Finkbeiner
Is it JASONs? Jasons?
The article switches taxonomy throughout.
Just about everybody uses JASONs, including the Jasons themselves. But the name is not an acronym, those letters stand for nothing. It's just the name, the Greek hero, Jason. So I personally don't capitalize. ~Ann Finkbeiner
The recent series of vandalisms and fixes in this article have left it with both errors and unnecessary deletions. Can the article be reverted to the version of July 2? 151.196.116.140 15:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)Ann Finkbeiner
In other words, I don't know how to revert the article to the last unvandalized version. Can a Wiki administrator help?
This isn't on the FAS page listed. Can anyone provide a link to the text ? Rod57 ( talk) 16:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Public revelation of membership in a group like this is likely to subject people to politically-motivated attacks and harassment. Thus, it comes under WP:BLP -- unsourced information about living persons, particularly stuff likely to subject them to harassment or to invade their privacy, must be removed. Even if it can be sourced, I don't see that it's particularly tasteful or relevant, except where a person's membership makes the news for some reason. Ray Talk 20:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
I also agree with removal of the membership list. It could not be reliably sourced because the membership is not public. Those Jasons who personally are public would make for a shortish and incomplete list; I suppose such an incomplete list would serve to illustrate Jason's significance, and would therefore be a compromise in this discussion. But the list as it stood was, to my knowledge, wrong and (without calling everybody up and asking) unverifiable. AKath ( talk) 14:39, 2 April 2009
I've started to compile a properly-sourced list, which you can see at User:Tillman/JASON founders, members, past and present. I think this will pass muster for WP:BLP concerns, but I thought I should present a draft before spending more time on it. Please have a look, and see what you think. Please feel free to tinker with the draft as well. Thanks, Pete Tillman ( talk) 05:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
If (as I suspect) this is the group's current website; http://jasonscholars.com/ then they are (currently) known by another name (JasonScholars) and weren't established in 1960, but in 1953 as surmised by William Cooper here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahCtYD3w-xQ and confirmed by the above (their?) website. Anyways, seeing as I am n00b, I'm not comfortable updating the page myself, nor am I qualified to move it (if that needs to happen). Now I'll try signing my user name; Thomash —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomash ( talk • contribs) 12:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
The Jasons don't have a website. The group has attracted a number of conspiracy theorists, and at some point in the theory, Jason Scholars came into being. As far as I know, Jason Scholars is not real. AKath ( talk) 14:07, 13 May 2010 (UTC)Ann
From the article: The name "JASON" is sometimes explained as an acronym, standing either for "July August September October November", the months in which the group would typically meet; or, tongue in cheek, for "Junior Achiever, Somewhat Older Now". However, neither explanation is correct; in fact, the name is not an acronym at all. It is a reference to Jason, a character from Greek mythology. The wife of one of the founders (Mildred Goldberger) thought the name given by the defense department, Project Sunrise, was unimaginative and suggested the group be named for a hero and his search. -- The Cunctator ( talk) 23:10, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
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I changed the wording slightly in the introduction. I think the old wording ("the group was first created as a way to get a younger generation of scientists involved in advising the government") gives the wrong impression. It wasn't focused on the age of scientists; it was focused on getting the best of the current generation involved in defense problems, and was motivated by the Sputnik launch. Support for this comes from Ann Finkbeiner's book. To be more specific, the book quotes John Weeler (who was involved in the creation of JASON) as saying "It's hard to reconstruct now the sense of doom when we were on the ground and Sputnik was up in the sky" (page 25), and goes on to say "And we thought the thing to do was to get a way for new people to get involved in defense problems" (page 26). Regarding which scientists to select, the book says: "York said they just picked the best scientists" (page 28). I think that's the key: they focused on picking good scientists rather than young scientists. In fact, the book says that the scientists were "still not all that young: they were, on average, in their early forties" (page 29). So the purpose wasn't to select young scientists; the purpose was to select the best of the current generation of scientists who were still in the prime of their career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.80.55.88 ( talk) 18:09, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if this rises to the level of entry, but other Wikipedia sites have sections on the subjects in popular culture. The Jasons are a key feature in James Rollins's novel The Last Oracle. Kdammers ( talk) 18:29, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
The source given makes no connection between JASON and those things. It says MacDonald was part of JASON, and it says MacDonald worked on that, but not that he worked on that within JASON. Given that there are three prominent climate change deniers in the list of chairs, Nierenberg, Happer and Koonin, the sentence seems dubious to me, but what do I know? -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 19:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)