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I have three times removed the same negative comments, which were not directly attributable to a reliable source. Please do not restore this material again unless you can point to a reliable source. (Note that a comment on a blog post is not even a vaguely reliable source.)
Sideshow Bob Roberts 00:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The section is back, this time with the heading “Allegations of hostility against Asian Americans”, and now with a new reference linking to a blog post by Andrew Sullivan which makes no mention whatsoever of hostility towards Asian Americans. (Sullivan does accuse DeLong of “nativist hostility”: this clearly refers to DeLong's comment that “Andrew Sullivan is simply and totally clueless about what America is”. Please read your sources more carefully before adding contentious material.)
I may be wrong, but as far as I can tell nobody has ever accused DeLong of “hostility against Asian Americans”. For us to do so is a blatant violation of WP:BLP.
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Bob Roberts, as I noted in my edits, several websites have been created just to document DeLong's censorship. However, you didn't delete the references to where he lives and his academic background. And yet no references are provided. I don't doubt the information is correct. However, if your policy is to delete unsubstantiated material, it has to go. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.133.192 ( talk) 02:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Bob Roberts, much of the rest of the material you deleted was valuable as well... And it wasn't controversial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.133.192 ( talk) 02:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
It seems that many people have had constructive comments deleted on Delong's blog. Searching Google for "delong delete comment" turns up 47,200 pages as of 11:30 March 16 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.167.191.35 ( talk) 06:32, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Bbartlog ( talk)Yes; I added a comment concerning Delong's reputation for deleting comments, but it has for the moment been reverted. Various posts do not rise to the level of a 'reliable source' per wikipedia policy, but I will see if I can find a reference that qualifies. —Preceding undated comment added 16:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC).
64.190.41.186 ( talk)Well, you may be right. But if we're going to have a paragraph on his blogging activities (which is more detailed and longer than just about anything else in the article), then I don't think the note would be out of place. I have never personally commented there (I have no axe to grind), but I've run across somewhere between six and ten posters who complained about his aggressive deletion policy. I'd argue that *if* it were verifiable it would be worth mentioning. But I doubt something like this would crop up in a verifiable source and I'm not going to spend any more time on it. —Preceding undated comment added 17:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC).
The problem isn't only that he deletes comments. As CSTAR says, it is the right of any blogger to delete comments on his blog. The problem here is that DeLong is known for not only deleting comments that disagree with him and ESPECIALLY the ones presenting arguments against him, AND that he frequently EDITS comments so that the meaning changes (from negative to positive). I added a sentence on this along with SEVERAL REFERENCES (professors in academia discussing the fact), but it was still deleted. I suspect the user deleting this sentence was a fan of DeLong's, rather than a serious editor, which is why I undid this change. -- Bylund ( talk) 08:15, 16 February 2010 (CDT)
I was rather surprised to see the first line of the paragraph about DeLong's blog discussing his "infamous" comment editing. I'm not certain whether this is remarkable by Wikipedia standards to merit its inclusion in any part of the profile (are we going to start including everything that's been said on a blog on Wikipedia now?), but I chose to leave it on the page. The wording has been changed as it was not written in a NPOV. It's also certainly not remarkable enough to merit inclusion the first line of that paragraph. Why on Earth would we detail a criticism of his blog before we even remark on what his blog actually is? - SH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.144.149 ( talk) 19:17, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
"torture memos" could be considered "anti-torture memos" (as argued by Arthur Herman in the June 2009 issue of Commentary Magazine). The use of "infamous" and "dictates" are needlessly loaded, "torture" is partial and should be changed and linked to " interrogation". Scow Captain ( talk) 02:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC).
Anyone noticed that Delong has become more of a douche lately? What prompted this transformation? perhaps a discussion of his general lack of civility towards conservative writers (e.g., Mankiw, Economists from the U of C, writers for the Washington Post, etc.) would be nice. Heavyset ( talk) 11:54, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
He's always been a douchebag. He's a lier. To him a free market is the exact opposite of what Adam Smith and other classical economist defined. A free market is a market free from rentier charges and a free lunch. Today a free market means a market free for a "free lunch". 24.36.78.185 ( talk) 05:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps due to his blog, Wikipedia seems to cover more of his spats with the right, than his also-frequent spats with the left; for example, he's a harsh critic of Eric Hobsbawm and a good deal of other leftist academics. -- Delirium ( talk) 10:00, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
While DeLong is notable as a blogger and political commentator, he is also notable as an economist and it would be great if someone more knowledgeable than me on the topic could write a section summarizing his main research contributios. The publication list is nice but is not a substitute for such a section. MorphismOfDoom ( talk) 16:00, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
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Tagging due to excess use of self-published material. Will look around for non-self-published text on the same subjects, but I think the frequent quotes to the subject's blog needs to go. In addition to the self-published text is an excess of trivial detail. Coretheapple ( talk) 15:52, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
I've remedied this by merging a lengthy "political views" section, consisting largely of self-published material, and creating a "career" section per WP:MOS. Article still contains an excess of self-published material. Coretheapple ( talk) 16:08, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
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Sideshow Bob Roberts 00:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The section is back, this time with the heading “Allegations of hostility against Asian Americans”, and now with a new reference linking to a blog post by Andrew Sullivan which makes no mention whatsoever of hostility towards Asian Americans. (Sullivan does accuse DeLong of “nativist hostility”: this clearly refers to DeLong's comment that “Andrew Sullivan is simply and totally clueless about what America is”. Please read your sources more carefully before adding contentious material.)
I may be wrong, but as far as I can tell nobody has ever accused DeLong of “hostility against Asian Americans”. For us to do so is a blatant violation of WP:BLP.
Also, as I said earlier, people who post comments on a blog are not reliable sources, and their negative opinions cannot be quoted in a biography of a living person.
To avoid an edit war, please don't add any more contentious material without discussing it here first. Anything that's not directly attributable to a reliable source will be removed.
Sideshow Bob Roberts 03:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Bob Roberts, as I noted in my edits, several websites have been created just to document DeLong's censorship. However, you didn't delete the references to where he lives and his academic background. And yet no references are provided. I don't doubt the information is correct. However, if your policy is to delete unsubstantiated material, it has to go. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.133.192 ( talk) 02:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Bob Roberts, much of the rest of the material you deleted was valuable as well... And it wasn't controversial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.133.192 ( talk) 02:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
It seems that many people have had constructive comments deleted on Delong's blog. Searching Google for "delong delete comment" turns up 47,200 pages as of 11:30 March 16 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.167.191.35 ( talk) 06:32, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Bbartlog ( talk)Yes; I added a comment concerning Delong's reputation for deleting comments, but it has for the moment been reverted. Various posts do not rise to the level of a 'reliable source' per wikipedia policy, but I will see if I can find a reference that qualifies. —Preceding undated comment added 16:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC).
64.190.41.186 ( talk)Well, you may be right. But if we're going to have a paragraph on his blogging activities (which is more detailed and longer than just about anything else in the article), then I don't think the note would be out of place. I have never personally commented there (I have no axe to grind), but I've run across somewhere between six and ten posters who complained about his aggressive deletion policy. I'd argue that *if* it were verifiable it would be worth mentioning. But I doubt something like this would crop up in a verifiable source and I'm not going to spend any more time on it. —Preceding undated comment added 17:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC).
The problem isn't only that he deletes comments. As CSTAR says, it is the right of any blogger to delete comments on his blog. The problem here is that DeLong is known for not only deleting comments that disagree with him and ESPECIALLY the ones presenting arguments against him, AND that he frequently EDITS comments so that the meaning changes (from negative to positive). I added a sentence on this along with SEVERAL REFERENCES (professors in academia discussing the fact), but it was still deleted. I suspect the user deleting this sentence was a fan of DeLong's, rather than a serious editor, which is why I undid this change. -- Bylund ( talk) 08:15, 16 February 2010 (CDT)
I was rather surprised to see the first line of the paragraph about DeLong's blog discussing his "infamous" comment editing. I'm not certain whether this is remarkable by Wikipedia standards to merit its inclusion in any part of the profile (are we going to start including everything that's been said on a blog on Wikipedia now?), but I chose to leave it on the page. The wording has been changed as it was not written in a NPOV. It's also certainly not remarkable enough to merit inclusion the first line of that paragraph. Why on Earth would we detail a criticism of his blog before we even remark on what his blog actually is? - SH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.144.149 ( talk) 19:17, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
"torture memos" could be considered "anti-torture memos" (as argued by Arthur Herman in the June 2009 issue of Commentary Magazine). The use of "infamous" and "dictates" are needlessly loaded, "torture" is partial and should be changed and linked to " interrogation". Scow Captain ( talk) 02:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC).
Anyone noticed that Delong has become more of a douche lately? What prompted this transformation? perhaps a discussion of his general lack of civility towards conservative writers (e.g., Mankiw, Economists from the U of C, writers for the Washington Post, etc.) would be nice. Heavyset ( talk) 11:54, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
He's always been a douchebag. He's a lier. To him a free market is the exact opposite of what Adam Smith and other classical economist defined. A free market is a market free from rentier charges and a free lunch. Today a free market means a market free for a "free lunch". 24.36.78.185 ( talk) 05:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps due to his blog, Wikipedia seems to cover more of his spats with the right, than his also-frequent spats with the left; for example, he's a harsh critic of Eric Hobsbawm and a good deal of other leftist academics. -- Delirium ( talk) 10:00, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
While DeLong is notable as a blogger and political commentator, he is also notable as an economist and it would be great if someone more knowledgeable than me on the topic could write a section summarizing his main research contributios. The publication list is nice but is not a substitute for such a section. MorphismOfDoom ( talk) 16:00, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
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Tagging due to excess use of self-published material. Will look around for non-self-published text on the same subjects, but I think the frequent quotes to the subject's blog needs to go. In addition to the self-published text is an excess of trivial detail. Coretheapple ( talk) 15:52, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
I've remedied this by merging a lengthy "political views" section, consisting largely of self-published material, and creating a "career" section per WP:MOS. Article still contains an excess of self-published material. Coretheapple ( talk) 16:08, 21 March 2021 (UTC)