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Walton's Life of Hooker was not humorous, light, or casual. He used first-hand informants, consulted all the scholarly works then-extant, referenced the sermons, went through the letters, and collected everything possible. It was hardly leisurely or the lark that the 1911 Britannica sneer lets on. If I had to choose between first draft biographers, I'd take him over Boswell, for example (but so would have Johnson). It's irresponsible to allow that vicar-gentleman positivist prose from 1911 to allow Angler to color all of Walton's life. Consider, for example, the way that the 1974 Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church writes up Walton: "A high churchman all of his life, he retired from his post after the battle of...." I.e. to a non-1911 point of view that isn't concerned with Angler, Walton is an arch high churchman who was an ecclesiastic who was drawn to writing lives of other high churchmen. His affinity for Wotton is thus not so hard to understand. 64.234.66.158 ( talk) 16:56, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Maybe I used to do all sorts of fixing around here. However, I'm not inclined to do a substantive edit when what's needed here is a removal of POV. By the way, "cite them" by what method? I understand that citation is entirely by little codes only at Wikipedia, since the guides all said that parenthetical was as good as code but, in reality the script kids had to have their pop star and football pages win featured status with code references that can be easily broken. Citations of books are unheard of. Citations of primary text are unimaginable. As for whether the 1911 Brittanica's opinion is worthy of inclusion or not, this is not a matter of opinion. It is easy enough for anyone to go and read Walton's Life of Richard Hooker. It's at Project Gutenberg, after all. Further, the lifelong church politics of Walton sure help explain the man's actions and access during the Civil War. In this case, I'm asking that a 19th century Whig history ("Whig history" is a term of art in this case) POV be clipped. I know that it's too much to ask that people go off and read things. Reading things leads to having one's parenthetical citations being removed and having a "citation needed" tag put up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.234.66.158 ( talk) 17:49, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
It seems to me that the source cited doesn't question the traditional year of birth. Anyway, if the date of baptism is known why put a possible year of burth after that? So I suggest to state the year of birth 1593, without "c.". Andres ( talk) 13:02, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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Walton's Life of Hooker was not humorous, light, or casual. He used first-hand informants, consulted all the scholarly works then-extant, referenced the sermons, went through the letters, and collected everything possible. It was hardly leisurely or the lark that the 1911 Britannica sneer lets on. If I had to choose between first draft biographers, I'd take him over Boswell, for example (but so would have Johnson). It's irresponsible to allow that vicar-gentleman positivist prose from 1911 to allow Angler to color all of Walton's life. Consider, for example, the way that the 1974 Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church writes up Walton: "A high churchman all of his life, he retired from his post after the battle of...." I.e. to a non-1911 point of view that isn't concerned with Angler, Walton is an arch high churchman who was an ecclesiastic who was drawn to writing lives of other high churchmen. His affinity for Wotton is thus not so hard to understand. 64.234.66.158 ( talk) 16:56, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Maybe I used to do all sorts of fixing around here. However, I'm not inclined to do a substantive edit when what's needed here is a removal of POV. By the way, "cite them" by what method? I understand that citation is entirely by little codes only at Wikipedia, since the guides all said that parenthetical was as good as code but, in reality the script kids had to have their pop star and football pages win featured status with code references that can be easily broken. Citations of books are unheard of. Citations of primary text are unimaginable. As for whether the 1911 Brittanica's opinion is worthy of inclusion or not, this is not a matter of opinion. It is easy enough for anyone to go and read Walton's Life of Richard Hooker. It's at Project Gutenberg, after all. Further, the lifelong church politics of Walton sure help explain the man's actions and access during the Civil War. In this case, I'm asking that a 19th century Whig history ("Whig history" is a term of art in this case) POV be clipped. I know that it's too much to ask that people go off and read things. Reading things leads to having one's parenthetical citations being removed and having a "citation needed" tag put up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.234.66.158 ( talk) 17:49, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
It seems to me that the source cited doesn't question the traditional year of birth. Anyway, if the date of baptism is known why put a possible year of burth after that? So I suggest to state the year of birth 1593, without "c.". Andres ( talk) 13:02, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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