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The title of the story itself is actually capitalized "its name was Penelope" with everything except Penelope in lowercase. However, wikipedia wanted the first letter of the article title to be capitalized, turning it into "Its name was Penelope". In my opinion, changing it to "its name was Penelope" would make the most sense.
2601:1C2:4501:34F0:C45F:99DA:2796:2C86 (
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08:35, 9 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm not familiar with the concept, but the article that you linked to says "A copula is often a verb" and refers to "copulative verbs" or "copular verbs" or "
linking verbs", which sounds like types of verbs.
MOS:CT explicitly says to capitalize "Every
verb, including forms of to be (Be, Am, Is, Are, Being, Was, Were, Been)". —
BarrelProof (
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23:25, 12 December 2023 (UTC)reply
It’s (usually) a verb not being used as a verb. A simple way to tell a copula from a verb is to cut the word and see what’s lost. It’s nuanced, compared to the clumsy addition to the MOS to blindly include all forms of “to be”, and results in jarring capitalisation when rigidly following a made up rule.
SmokeyJoe (
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01:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Interesting, but I don't see any similar instances of "was" in Wikipedia article titles (except one that looks like a mistake because the rest of the title is unusual too). —
BarrelProof (
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01:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)reply
It’s the same mistake as with
A Boy Was Born. Copula should not be capitalised in titles, but this fell foul of a too-simple writing of a rule, and now it’s a rule because it’s a rule, despite being wrong.
SmokeyJoe (
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12:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Rules are not right or wrong, they are rules in a context. What is right in one context is wrong in another. Here we follow the rules of Wikipedia, and we debate about changing them, but still they are the rules for Wikipedia.
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⌨ 13:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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The title of the story itself is actually capitalized "its name was Penelope" with everything except Penelope in lowercase. However, wikipedia wanted the first letter of the article title to be capitalized, turning it into "Its name was Penelope". In my opinion, changing it to "its name was Penelope" would make the most sense.
2601:1C2:4501:34F0:C45F:99DA:2796:2C86 (
talk)
08:35, 9 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm not familiar with the concept, but the article that you linked to says "A copula is often a verb" and refers to "copulative verbs" or "copular verbs" or "
linking verbs", which sounds like types of verbs.
MOS:CT explicitly says to capitalize "Every
verb, including forms of to be (Be, Am, Is, Are, Being, Was, Were, Been)". —
BarrelProof (
talk)
23:25, 12 December 2023 (UTC)reply
It’s (usually) a verb not being used as a verb. A simple way to tell a copula from a verb is to cut the word and see what’s lost. It’s nuanced, compared to the clumsy addition to the MOS to blindly include all forms of “to be”, and results in jarring capitalisation when rigidly following a made up rule.
SmokeyJoe (
talk)
01:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Interesting, but I don't see any similar instances of "was" in Wikipedia article titles (except one that looks like a mistake because the rest of the title is unusual too). —
BarrelProof (
talk)
01:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)reply
It’s the same mistake as with
A Boy Was Born. Copula should not be capitalised in titles, but this fell foul of a too-simple writing of a rule, and now it’s a rule because it’s a rule, despite being wrong.
SmokeyJoe (
talk)
12:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Rules are not right or wrong, they are rules in a context. What is right in one context is wrong in another. Here we follow the rules of Wikipedia, and we debate about changing them, but still they are the rules for Wikipedia.
SchreiberBike |
⌨ 13:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.