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It is hardly NPOV to say that the assassination provoked the annexation of Korea. -- Daniel C. Boyer 18:46, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)
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This ito Guy is japanese. He has Stolen Over Hundred Things From Korea. then was assassinated by Joong - Gun Ahn. - Dgun Sniper
The Japanese language version gives his rank as 公爵 (kōshaku), which is translated Prince (or sometimes Duke) Nik42 08:21, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Prince implies a relation to the royal family! But he was in no way related to the royal family. Duke is a better choice. It is really not correct to think of Ito Hirobumi as a prince at all! 165.82.72.89 ( talk) 02:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
There is a book from university of columbia that recognizes him as Prince, however an encylopedia from cambridge said he is a Count. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexw6 ( talk • contribs) 03:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Ito Hirobumi was a Samurai. He is not the royal family. 公爵 (kōshaku) means Duke. But Japanese 公爵 is translated as Prince in the Japanese official English translation. It is the same as Prince of Monaco.-- ぶりぶり ( talk) 07:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
it says that he and hsi assassin shared the same birthdate but according to both of their biographies on wikipedia, the clearly dont.
Deleted the title "terrorist" on An-jeung-gun. He was not a terrorist. Oyo321 15:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah he was."All criminal acts directed against a State and intended or calculated to create a state of terror in the minds of particular persons or a group of persons or the general public". "Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.24.194 ( talk) 07:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't know where that quote came from, but may I suggest you first read these two articles? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Jung-geun Sorry if I'm not following the proper procedures for using the talk page. 2602:306:3592:8310:183:5F4:9ED2:2E49 ( talk) 09:50, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
The article says that "Itō was born as the adopted son of Hayashi Juzo," which is kind of an odd thing to say. Was there some formal arrangement with his birth family before he was born that he would be adopted by Juzo upon birth? Or can we change this merely to say that he was adopted as an infant? -- Jfruh ( talk) 06:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Please consider adding this external link to the entry on Itō Hirobumi
While I appreciate Therequiembellishere trying to add in good information, it's very confusing to state that Sanjo proceeded Ito in the various boxes on this page. Sanjo's office was not equivalent to the Prime Minister of Japan as it currently is, or even as it was under the Meiji constitution. Further more, looking at other pages, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Walpole shows that even if there were people holding offices that were similar before hand, they are still not noted as such. -- Jusenkyoguide ( talk) 10:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Actually there are many evidences showing that the Korean Emperor Gojong didn't agree to the Eulsa Treaty and not sign it, and he sent many letters which inform the treaty is illegal to other countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VforVendetta1 ( talk • contribs) 10:17, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I know exactly what you're talking, VforVendetta1, but let me add my opinion on your comment. This is the article for Ito's biography, and it should focus on his life and legacy. His involvement in some historical event could be mentioned in separate pages, and it already has links directing at those articles. Second, even without additional expressions like "~~ by force", "~~ obliged to sign" or "~~refused to sign", people can read between the lines. Most regime changes or collapse of dynasties came with some form of violence, and many are aware of early 20th century Imperialism and its violent nature. It would be best to let the readers judge the nature of the event. Last, I'm afraid that Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea in 1965 doesn't support your argument. It actually does the opposite: ROK and Japan couldn't make a consensus back then, and both government's official position haven't changed until today. Please understand that wikipedia is not the place for interpreting history. It is just an encyclopedia. --- PBJT ( talk) 03:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
I think what is written now is the most neutral possibly. Thanks for your detail reply. VforVendetta1 —Preceding undated comment added 23:15, 3 May 2012 (UTC).
The above last paragraph of section "Evaluation in modern Korea" states that it is ironic that both Itō Hirobumi and his assassin An Jung-geun wanted a union of China, Korea, and Japan in order to shield from Western imperialism. This completely ignores history and motivation. Itō Hirobumi wanted unification of the three countries by way of Japan's absolute rule, imperialism, and slaughtering of thousands of innocent Chinese and Korean citizens. According to An Jung-geun's "On Peace in East Asia," he says he wants Pan-Asianism by way of interdependence, alliance, and friendship of the three countries. There is NO WAY that their both wanting a union is ironic. It's like saying Nazis wanted a union of Europe just like how E.U. exists now.-- Zaytin ( talk) 22:56, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
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Please stop removing the rest of the numbers for his holing of office. The Japanese government lists him as the 1st, 5th, 7th & 10th Prime Minister. The wiki page for Grover Cleveland lists him as the 22nd and 24th president, so there is definitely precedence for this. Jusenkyoguide ( talk) 12:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
A couple of things to be aware of: The quote calling An a Korean nationalist is lifted directly out of the source, we should not be changing that. There is no need to lift the whole quote about the list An made for assassinating (That is the correct word, regardless) Ito as it is already on An's page and is linked to it. Before engaging in further edit warning, consensus should be reached here first in accordance with Wiki policy. Jusenkyoguide ( talk) 10:55, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
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It is hardly NPOV to say that the assassination provoked the annexation of Korea. -- Daniel C. Boyer 18:46, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)
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This ito Guy is japanese. He has Stolen Over Hundred Things From Korea. then was assassinated by Joong - Gun Ahn. - Dgun Sniper
The Japanese language version gives his rank as 公爵 (kōshaku), which is translated Prince (or sometimes Duke) Nik42 08:21, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Prince implies a relation to the royal family! But he was in no way related to the royal family. Duke is a better choice. It is really not correct to think of Ito Hirobumi as a prince at all! 165.82.72.89 ( talk) 02:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
There is a book from university of columbia that recognizes him as Prince, however an encylopedia from cambridge said he is a Count. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexw6 ( talk • contribs) 03:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Ito Hirobumi was a Samurai. He is not the royal family. 公爵 (kōshaku) means Duke. But Japanese 公爵 is translated as Prince in the Japanese official English translation. It is the same as Prince of Monaco.-- ぶりぶり ( talk) 07:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
it says that he and hsi assassin shared the same birthdate but according to both of their biographies on wikipedia, the clearly dont.
Deleted the title "terrorist" on An-jeung-gun. He was not a terrorist. Oyo321 15:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah he was."All criminal acts directed against a State and intended or calculated to create a state of terror in the minds of particular persons or a group of persons or the general public". "Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.24.194 ( talk) 07:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't know where that quote came from, but may I suggest you first read these two articles? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Jung-geun Sorry if I'm not following the proper procedures for using the talk page. 2602:306:3592:8310:183:5F4:9ED2:2E49 ( talk) 09:50, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
The article says that "Itō was born as the adopted son of Hayashi Juzo," which is kind of an odd thing to say. Was there some formal arrangement with his birth family before he was born that he would be adopted by Juzo upon birth? Or can we change this merely to say that he was adopted as an infant? -- Jfruh ( talk) 06:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Please consider adding this external link to the entry on Itō Hirobumi
While I appreciate Therequiembellishere trying to add in good information, it's very confusing to state that Sanjo proceeded Ito in the various boxes on this page. Sanjo's office was not equivalent to the Prime Minister of Japan as it currently is, or even as it was under the Meiji constitution. Further more, looking at other pages, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Walpole shows that even if there were people holding offices that were similar before hand, they are still not noted as such. -- Jusenkyoguide ( talk) 10:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Actually there are many evidences showing that the Korean Emperor Gojong didn't agree to the Eulsa Treaty and not sign it, and he sent many letters which inform the treaty is illegal to other countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VforVendetta1 ( talk • contribs) 10:17, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I know exactly what you're talking, VforVendetta1, but let me add my opinion on your comment. This is the article for Ito's biography, and it should focus on his life and legacy. His involvement in some historical event could be mentioned in separate pages, and it already has links directing at those articles. Second, even without additional expressions like "~~ by force", "~~ obliged to sign" or "~~refused to sign", people can read between the lines. Most regime changes or collapse of dynasties came with some form of violence, and many are aware of early 20th century Imperialism and its violent nature. It would be best to let the readers judge the nature of the event. Last, I'm afraid that Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea in 1965 doesn't support your argument. It actually does the opposite: ROK and Japan couldn't make a consensus back then, and both government's official position haven't changed until today. Please understand that wikipedia is not the place for interpreting history. It is just an encyclopedia. --- PBJT ( talk) 03:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
I think what is written now is the most neutral possibly. Thanks for your detail reply. VforVendetta1 —Preceding undated comment added 23:15, 3 May 2012 (UTC).
The above last paragraph of section "Evaluation in modern Korea" states that it is ironic that both Itō Hirobumi and his assassin An Jung-geun wanted a union of China, Korea, and Japan in order to shield from Western imperialism. This completely ignores history and motivation. Itō Hirobumi wanted unification of the three countries by way of Japan's absolute rule, imperialism, and slaughtering of thousands of innocent Chinese and Korean citizens. According to An Jung-geun's "On Peace in East Asia," he says he wants Pan-Asianism by way of interdependence, alliance, and friendship of the three countries. There is NO WAY that their both wanting a union is ironic. It's like saying Nazis wanted a union of Europe just like how E.U. exists now.-- Zaytin ( talk) 22:56, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
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Please stop removing the rest of the numbers for his holing of office. The Japanese government lists him as the 1st, 5th, 7th & 10th Prime Minister. The wiki page for Grover Cleveland lists him as the 22nd and 24th president, so there is definitely precedence for this. Jusenkyoguide ( talk) 12:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
A couple of things to be aware of: The quote calling An a Korean nationalist is lifted directly out of the source, we should not be changing that. There is no need to lift the whole quote about the list An made for assassinating (That is the correct word, regardless) Ito as it is already on An's page and is linked to it. Before engaging in further edit warning, consensus should be reached here first in accordance with Wiki policy. Jusenkyoguide ( talk) 10:55, 14 August 2018 (UTC)