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There is no mention of criticism of the Istanbul Convention. No mention that it is based on the controversial Duluth Model. No mention that it introduces gender ideology. No mention that it is sexist - equates women to victims (despite the fact that men make up about 40% of domestic violence victims), while seeking to protect only women from such violence. The whole article seems very biased, more like an ad written by a third wave feminist than an actual attempt at an encyclopedia entry. Nikolaneberemed ( talk) 11:47, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Why not just call it the Istanbul Convention on domestic violence as a shorthand? BrianBrecker ( talk) 06:52, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
On October 20, 2019 there was a March on the streets of Baku, more specifically, Torgovaya. The name of the march was "Say no to the violence against women!". The participants also called for Azerbaijani Government to ratify the Istanbul Convention. [1], [2], [3], [4] Next day, it was announced that the local government received a series of proposals from State Committee on Family, Women and Child Issues. Number of lawyers and judges were called to work on certain laws, and the gov considers ratifying the Istanbul Convention. [5], [6], [7] I hope these infos could be added to the article. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 18:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
I have removed the section "Debates in Slovakia". There is absolutely no reason why such a huge section which goes into detail about the political battles and the elections from Slovakia should exist. It gives WP:UNDUE to one country, whereas there have been debates about the Convention in most CoE countries. This article is about the Istanbul Convention, not about the politics of Slovakia. I have left the section about Bulgaria in place, because for that country there is a legal decision from the Constitutional Court of Bulgaria , which is unique among CoE countries. However, even the section on Bulgaria needs to be trimmed and shortened, half of what is there is unnecessary for this article. 2A02:2F01:52FF:FFFF:0:0:6465:5973 ( talk) 11:43, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Keep it. Poland is following suit.
Zezen ( talk) 07:40, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
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Accusations of public manipulation against the Convention
Where is the opposite: the Criticism section? Zezen ( talk) 07:37, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Just change it to "Istanbul Convention" Henrymorgan92 ( talk) 19:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
In its present form, the Criticism section is more a criticism of the critics, than a criticism of the convention itself. The convention states "Parties shall take the necessary measures to promote changes .... eradicating .... traditions ... which are based on ... stereotyped roles for women and men." That goes far beyond what ordinary people would expect under the title of "preventing violence". The quote from the Council of Europe press release is misleading in that it portrays the criticism as unwarranted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A040:19C:8396:CD3B:E46C:AF23:2E87 ( talk) 13:49, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Cool map showing Imbros as Greece and ignores 80% of Russia. Beshogur ( talk) 17:44, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Withdrawal from the treaty takes at least 3 months and has to be accepted by the CoE secretary general. See article 77 of the treaty: [10] All Turkey has done is announced that it is going to start that process. The treaty will still be in force for the next three months. ( t · c) buidhe 21:03, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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Please add a hatnote to link to the disambiguation page Treaty of Constantinople (disambiguation) for other conventions/protocols named after Istanbul (this disambiguation page lists both Istanbul and Constantinople uses) -- 65.93.183.33 ( talk) 02:01, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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Numerous grammar mistakes and misspellings under "Turkey's announcement of withdrawal"
Change "The withdrawal has been criticized both domestically and internationally, including the opposition parties in the country, foreign leaders, the Council of Europe, NGOs and in the social media" to "The withdrawal has been criticized both domestically and internationally, including by the opposition parties in the country, foreign leaders, the Council of Europe, NGOs and on social media."
Change "The CHP spokesperson claimed that the agreement cannot be withdrawn without parliamentary approval, since it is approved by parliament on 24 November 2011" to "A CHP spokesperson claimed that the agreement cannot be withdrawn without parliamentary approval, since it was originally approved by parliament on 24 November 2011"
Change "According to CHP and some lawyers, the right to approve the international agreements still belongs to the parliament according to Article 90 of the Constitution" to "According to the CHP and various lawyers, the right to approve the withdrawal belongs to Parliament according to Article 90 of the Constitution."
Get rid of "Therefore, when withdrawning from these treaties, the parliamentary approval is needed." That is implied in the above sentence and this sentence has numerous grammar errors.
Change "According to the government, the president has the authority to withdraw from international agreements as stated in article 3 of the presidential decree no. 9." to "However, the government claims the president has the authority to withdraw from international agreements, as stated in article 3 of the presidential decree no. 9."
Change "The US President Joe Biden described the move" to "US President Joe Biden described the move"
Change "The Turkish Presidency in an official statement released publicly" to "In an official statement, the Turkish Presidency..."
Change "A view also supported by conservative groups and officials from Erdoğan's Islamic-oriented ruling party, the AKP, who claim that the agreement is promoting homosexuality and encouraging divorce, undermining what, in their view, constitutes a "sacred" family." to "That view is shared by conservative groups and officials from the AKP, who claim that the agreement promotes homosexuality, encourages divorce and undermines the "sacred" family."
Change "Answering to criticism over the legality of withdrawal if it was decided by the Presidency instead of the Parliament, Erdoğan insisted on that it was his decision not the parliaments and that the withdrawal was "completely legal" to "Answering to criticism over the legality of withdrawal by the Presidency instead of Parliament, Erdoğan insisted his decision was "completely legal"" Multisupermono ( talk) 08:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
A new map might be needed to reflect Turkey's leaving of the treaty. Esmost talk 13:05, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
The "Criticism" section isn't a criticism of the Convention, it's a criticism of the opposition to the convention. Typical Wikipedia, biased to the core. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4C4E:2485:DB00:AD6:8CE0:136A:2F7 ( talk) 17:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
I made edits on 10 March 2021 changing the capitalization of the full title of the treaty per MOS:TITLECAPS. @ Gerdami undid these edits on 10 April 2021 with the summary "lowercase (also as in the original text)". Wikipedia's style should be used for titles of works, not another style like the Council of Europe's, even if it was used in the work itself. See here for consensus. I'll change it back. Knr5 ( talk) 01:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Criticism by far right NA and LPV in Latvia should also be added to the criticism section. 2A03:EC00:B95C:E672:0:0:0:2 ( talk) 10:47, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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There is no mention of criticism of the Istanbul Convention. No mention that it is based on the controversial Duluth Model. No mention that it introduces gender ideology. No mention that it is sexist - equates women to victims (despite the fact that men make up about 40% of domestic violence victims), while seeking to protect only women from such violence. The whole article seems very biased, more like an ad written by a third wave feminist than an actual attempt at an encyclopedia entry. Nikolaneberemed ( talk) 11:47, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Why not just call it the Istanbul Convention on domestic violence as a shorthand? BrianBrecker ( talk) 06:52, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
On October 20, 2019 there was a March on the streets of Baku, more specifically, Torgovaya. The name of the march was "Say no to the violence against women!". The participants also called for Azerbaijani Government to ratify the Istanbul Convention. [1], [2], [3], [4] Next day, it was announced that the local government received a series of proposals from State Committee on Family, Women and Child Issues. Number of lawyers and judges were called to work on certain laws, and the gov considers ratifying the Istanbul Convention. [5], [6], [7] I hope these infos could be added to the article. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 18:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
I have removed the section "Debates in Slovakia". There is absolutely no reason why such a huge section which goes into detail about the political battles and the elections from Slovakia should exist. It gives WP:UNDUE to one country, whereas there have been debates about the Convention in most CoE countries. This article is about the Istanbul Convention, not about the politics of Slovakia. I have left the section about Bulgaria in place, because for that country there is a legal decision from the Constitutional Court of Bulgaria , which is unique among CoE countries. However, even the section on Bulgaria needs to be trimmed and shortened, half of what is there is unnecessary for this article. 2A02:2F01:52FF:FFFF:0:0:6465:5973 ( talk) 11:43, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Keep it. Poland is following suit.
Zezen ( talk) 07:40, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Re:
Accusations of public manipulation against the Convention
Where is the opposite: the Criticism section? Zezen ( talk) 07:37, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Just change it to "Istanbul Convention" Henrymorgan92 ( talk) 19:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
In its present form, the Criticism section is more a criticism of the critics, than a criticism of the convention itself. The convention states "Parties shall take the necessary measures to promote changes .... eradicating .... traditions ... which are based on ... stereotyped roles for women and men." That goes far beyond what ordinary people would expect under the title of "preventing violence". The quote from the Council of Europe press release is misleading in that it portrays the criticism as unwarranted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A040:19C:8396:CD3B:E46C:AF23:2E87 ( talk) 13:49, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Cool map showing Imbros as Greece and ignores 80% of Russia. Beshogur ( talk) 17:44, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Withdrawal from the treaty takes at least 3 months and has to be accepted by the CoE secretary general. See article 77 of the treaty: [10] All Turkey has done is announced that it is going to start that process. The treaty will still be in force for the next three months. ( t · c) buidhe 21:03, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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Please add a hatnote to link to the disambiguation page Treaty of Constantinople (disambiguation) for other conventions/protocols named after Istanbul (this disambiguation page lists both Istanbul and Constantinople uses) -- 65.93.183.33 ( talk) 02:01, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
{{other uses|Treaty of Constantinople (disambiguation){{!}}Istanbul Treaty}}
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Numerous grammar mistakes and misspellings under "Turkey's announcement of withdrawal"
Change "The withdrawal has been criticized both domestically and internationally, including the opposition parties in the country, foreign leaders, the Council of Europe, NGOs and in the social media" to "The withdrawal has been criticized both domestically and internationally, including by the opposition parties in the country, foreign leaders, the Council of Europe, NGOs and on social media."
Change "The CHP spokesperson claimed that the agreement cannot be withdrawn without parliamentary approval, since it is approved by parliament on 24 November 2011" to "A CHP spokesperson claimed that the agreement cannot be withdrawn without parliamentary approval, since it was originally approved by parliament on 24 November 2011"
Change "According to CHP and some lawyers, the right to approve the international agreements still belongs to the parliament according to Article 90 of the Constitution" to "According to the CHP and various lawyers, the right to approve the withdrawal belongs to Parliament according to Article 90 of the Constitution."
Get rid of "Therefore, when withdrawning from these treaties, the parliamentary approval is needed." That is implied in the above sentence and this sentence has numerous grammar errors.
Change "According to the government, the president has the authority to withdraw from international agreements as stated in article 3 of the presidential decree no. 9." to "However, the government claims the president has the authority to withdraw from international agreements, as stated in article 3 of the presidential decree no. 9."
Change "The US President Joe Biden described the move" to "US President Joe Biden described the move"
Change "The Turkish Presidency in an official statement released publicly" to "In an official statement, the Turkish Presidency..."
Change "A view also supported by conservative groups and officials from Erdoğan's Islamic-oriented ruling party, the AKP, who claim that the agreement is promoting homosexuality and encouraging divorce, undermining what, in their view, constitutes a "sacred" family." to "That view is shared by conservative groups and officials from the AKP, who claim that the agreement promotes homosexuality, encourages divorce and undermines the "sacred" family."
Change "Answering to criticism over the legality of withdrawal if it was decided by the Presidency instead of the Parliament, Erdoğan insisted on that it was his decision not the parliaments and that the withdrawal was "completely legal" to "Answering to criticism over the legality of withdrawal by the Presidency instead of Parliament, Erdoğan insisted his decision was "completely legal"" Multisupermono ( talk) 08:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
A new map might be needed to reflect Turkey's leaving of the treaty. Esmost talk 13:05, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
The "Criticism" section isn't a criticism of the Convention, it's a criticism of the opposition to the convention. Typical Wikipedia, biased to the core. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4C4E:2485:DB00:AD6:8CE0:136A:2F7 ( talk) 17:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
I made edits on 10 March 2021 changing the capitalization of the full title of the treaty per MOS:TITLECAPS. @ Gerdami undid these edits on 10 April 2021 with the summary "lowercase (also as in the original text)". Wikipedia's style should be used for titles of works, not another style like the Council of Europe's, even if it was used in the work itself. See here for consensus. I'll change it back. Knr5 ( talk) 01:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Criticism by far right NA and LPV in Latvia should also be added to the criticism section. 2A03:EC00:B95C:E672:0:0:0:2 ( talk) 10:47, 1 December 2023 (UTC)