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Hi I am not saying categorically that this is false but is there actually any hard evidence of this? The BBC article simply asserts it. I have never seen any actual evidence that Iran funds and arms this organisation only assertions from neo-cons. Now it may be true! But it would be good to cite an academic source rather than a BBC website to support this claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.31.33.14 ( talk) 10:32, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
This conversation has been moved to Talk:Arab-Israeli conflict by Kendrick7 03:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following line:
Lebanon has long failed to control militancy within its borders, and Israel has had a history of using force in Lebanon in response to militant attacks.
It is opinionated. Also, Lebanon is claiming to be a democracy with rights for militias and to bear arms, muh like the US constitution and it's second amendment stating that organized millitias are a right of the people. Millitia members are Lebanese by citinzenship, anyways. So saying Lebanon has failed to control militancy is inherently wrong, since the militia is Lebanese or made up of Lebanese.
This article is misleading, in that it implies there has been an ongoing, continuous conflict between Israel and Lebanon since 1948. In fact, Lebanon's role in 1948 was minor, Lebanon sat out of the 1967 war, and the Israel-Lebanon border between 1948 and 1968 was quiet (as I understand it, even unguarded). The seeds of the recent conflict lie in post-1968 developments, particularly the "state within a state" created by the PLO and the 1978 and 1982 Israeli invasions which turned the Lebanon Shiites against Israel. What should be done (as suggested by User:Mikkalai) is to rename this article Israeli-Lebanon relations. A model could be Indo-Pakistani relations: that's an example of two countries with "relations" marked by bitter hostility punctuated by several outright wars, yet no one says there is a single "India-Pakistan conflict" going back to 1947. Along with the move, we should change the focus of the article somewhat: summarize the wars but take this out of the Military history Project, and include other important topics like the Israel-Christian alliance. Sanguinalis 04:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
That is not entirely accurate. The articles about the subject here in Wikipedia report Israeli farmers doing their business peaceably on their lands over the Lebanese border, as well as the Lebanese interaction with Israeli industry/economy during the early 1980s (pre Gemayel agreement I believe). In any event, that isn't necessarily a valid criteria for this type of article. It may be acceptable as a collection of miscellaneous information on the subject (or not), but any attempt to craft it into a continuous and coherent event would probably be original research, as it does not seem to be an analysis that has been made outside this community. Cheers, Tewfik Talk 21:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Adam keller seems to have forgotten all about the "Good Fence". Israeli farmers did business over in Lebanon and during the occupation of southern Lebanon (as a Security Zone), Lebanese civilians from the Zone were able to cross the Good Fence to do business in Israel and if I remember correctly when Israel was withdrawing from Lebanon, there was one report on CNN in which Israeli farmers were interviewed and they said that they were sad that they would no longer be able to hire seasonal workers from Lebanon to pick fruit and such. There was also an article in the Economist (in 1999 around the time the SLA withdrew from Jezzine) in which it is noted that ice-cream sold in Jezzine (before the withdrawal anyway) had packaging in Hebrew - obviously from Israel. Also one of Robert Fisk's books notes how the Israelis did more than just militarily occupy Lebanon in 1982. All of these events cannot be accurately covered under the heading "Israel-Lebanon conflict". Sanguinalis uses Indo-Pakistani relations as an example of a possible model to follow. Sanguinalis also states that no talks of a single "Indo-Pakistani conflict" going back since 1947, which is true, but there is an article Indo-Pakistani Wars. If we follow those two examples there could be a larger overall article detailing Israeli-Lebanese relations including war (1948-1949), other conflicts involving Israel and Lebanon (1978, 1982, 1982-2000, 2006), the armistice (1949) peace initiatives (1983), unofficial trade, travel and the Good Fence, the Security Zone, the Israeli-Christian Lebanese alliance (including the aid given by Israel to the Phalangists and other Christian groups - such as weapons). Of all these topics actual conflict is only one part. I would suggest that there be an article on Israeli-Lebanese relations with a sub-article on Israel-Lebanon conflicts (note the plural which will be explained in a second) or the renaming of this article to Israel-Lebanon conflicts (along the line of Indo-Pakistani Wars) and the creation of a separate and related (and linked) article on Israel-Lebanon relations. The reason for having Israel-Lebanon conflicts as opposed to the current name is because there is no long standing single conflict between Israel and Lebanon from 1948 to present. It is true that they have never signed a peace treaty, but then neither have Japan and Russia, the two Koreas or India and Pakistan (although the Simla Agreement is pretty close to one). Israel and Lebanon did sign an armistice in 1949 which is heralded the end of the '48-'49 war (if not the beginning of peace). Meanwhile India and Pakistan have only variously signed ceasefires. With Israel and Lebanon all the conflicts after 1949 had nothing to do with the first war and in fact Lebanon wasn't actually a participant so much as a battleground. The 1978 and 1982 conflicts were essentially Israeli-PLO wars (and also an Israeli-Syrian war in 1982). Lebanon never played an active role. The conflict in the Security Zone was an Israeli-Hezbollah war as was the 2006 conflict (which may actually have involved Lebanon itself since Hezbollah was now in the Lebanese government - but that is debatable and I don't hold much faith in that view since the Lebanese government declared neutrality). So for the 5 conflicts that occurred across the Israeli-Lebanese border only 1 (arguably 2) actually involved Lebanon itself, the rest were carried out between Israel and various Palestinian or Lebanese non-state militias and Syria. That doesn't even include the various Israeli airstrikes on supposed PLO militants in the 70s and the Israeli special operation in Beirut during the 70s (again directed at the PLO). So there is no single "Israel-Lebanon conflict". 72.27.26.143 03:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Another point of view. Has many truth. -- 195.56.231.17 05:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
The link is not there. but there is no "another point of view here" wikipedia is supposed to be unbiased fact.
I can assume it's hebrew/Israelite Propaganda. in which case: NO, it is not true. I'm not trying to be anti semetic here, just Blunt, You cannot believe what a Jewish person who goes to temple or whatever says about this issue, The temple's stance is a flood of Propaganda, saying that Palestine dos'nt exist, there was no one there before Israel, the Arab groups want to take over Israel and hate jews. this is ALL propaganda, helped out by the U.S. government, which is semi-fachist/mis-informing.
BUT: we cannot have a biased point on wikipedia. so whatever...
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I hope that this clears up the issue of the Katyushas, Tewfik Talk 19:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm paraphrasing the line you quoted as well as "Hizbollah targeted IDF positions and Israeli towns south of the Blue Line. Israel retaliated by ground, air and sea attacks." The previous line talks about an exchange of fire "between Hizbollah and IDF," so that when it says "it was heaviest in the areas west of Bint Jubayl..." it does not seem to be referring to Israeli attacks on Lebanese civilian targets (that probably cannot be inferred until the very last sentence). Tewfik Talk 21:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean: it seems to me that "Hizbollah targeted IDF positions and Israeli towns" means both. It is a separate sentence than that which discusses the "exchange of fire." Let me know... Tewfik Talk 22:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I see - I had totally missed that nuance, but I see that you have represented it in the article's text. Cheers, Tewfik Talk 22:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I've been going back and forth with User:Tewfik on this for a while, and we've come a long way towards a compromise. I believe, however, that the Palestinian exodus should be mentioned in the background because it did contribute the the demographic shift in Lebanon, and it explains one of the main reasons why the Palestinian refugees would be calling for Israel's destruction. The background as it currently stands makes it sound like the Palestians are refugees from Jordan, and not Israel, and is therefore completely misleading for a reader unfamiliar with the history of the region. Tewfik seems fixated on the idea that the PLO arriving in Lebanon was the cause of the Lebanese Civil War but I can't figure out where he gets that idea from the civil war article. -- Kendrick7 19:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't follow - what is innacurate? In terms of the argument, are you saying that the '48 refugees are as directly effective of the Civil War as the Black September ones? Cheers, Tewfik Talk 14:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure that I really appreciate the relevance of these numbers to the issue at hand. Lebanon had demographic worries from before its independence, but there isn't really evidence that the '48 Palestinian population was an immediate factor in the upheaval of the Civil War. The one factor (mentioned three times in the Civil War article, as well as in the results section of the Black September article) which seems to be stressed as being a major contribution to instability is the arrival of a population expelled from Jordan (which may well have been mostly there from 1949, but its not directly relevant), especially the large PLO infrastructure. If you agree with this, then we are only arguing about how direct an event should be included; if not, I suppose we can both go searching for sources, though I feel that the WP articles I mentioned before (of course WP isn't an RS ) are a fair representation of the most common positions. Cheers, Tewfik Talk 01:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
My argument is totally not about the demographic issue - I'm tried to explain why it isn't necessarily relevant. I do believe that the '49 Palestinians were a factor, but only indirectly, alongside many other factors. The effect of the expelled of Black September was probably even magnified by the earlier presence (and there was definitely some PLO in Lebanon already), but to the extent that the Palestinians were a factor, it was mostly due to Black September. I think these passages from Lebanese Civil War illustrate the point:
Anyways, these are just a sign of what is probably a wider held opinion, and at the end of the day, the contention that the '49 exodus affected the Civil War on the same order of magnitude, should probably be verified from a legitimate outside source. If it can be, then I suppose my perception would be in error. Let me know what you think, Tewfik Talk 04:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't at all follow your demographic argument. The main question I have for you is why you see the general Palestinian influx into Lebanon as being any more of a destabilising factor than any of the other groups' presence and demographic record (Shia, Lebanese Sunni, Christians, Druze). The only clear destabilising factor being mentioned is the arrival of the post Black September groups, and no mention of the '48-9 Palestinians as a factor is made in the Lebanese Civil War. I would appreciate if you could somehow find a source for your assertion. I also can't help remembering your early statement that you didn't want to give people an opportunity to 'just blame Israel' - if the original Palestinian influx is no different than any other, then that is exactly what is happening. Please let me know, as I am extremely uncomfortable with this (currently unsourced) statement's inclusion in such a prominent place. Tewfik Talk 05:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I said: The arrival of Palestinian militants expelled from Jordan in 1971 exacerbated preexisting tensions surrounding shifting demographic trends in ethnically fragmented Lebanon, which helped lead to the Lebanese Civil War ( 1975- 1990). These events combined to create a power vacuum in Southern Lebanon which various unchecked forces calling for Israel's destruction exploited to launch cross-border attacks to the south.
You reverted that to: The Palestinian exodus in 1948 and the expulsion of Palestinian militants from Jordan in 1971 after the events of Black September made Lebanon's southern region the home to hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees. Demographic trends unbalanced what had been a Maronite Catholic- Shi'a Muslim majority nation and led to the Lebanese Civil War ( 1975- 1990). These events combined to create a troublesome border between the nations: various unchecked forces within Lebanon were coordinating attacks against Israel and calling for its destruction.
If one of them directly ties the Palestinian exodus to the unrest in Lebanon, it seems to me to be yours (if you disagree, then please explain to me your reasoning). And if you agree that the influx of 1948-9 Palestinians was not necessarily a direct factor, then why discuss it? This isn't a history of the Palestinians or of Lebanon, but just a summary of the conflicts between Lebanon and Israel. Not to mention that those two assertions are unsourced at present. Tewfik Talk 18:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I know this is not about the Civil war - I don't understand what relevance the 1948-9 Palestinian exodus has towards the conflict between Lebanon and Israel. The destabilising role was played by the post Black September militants, and not the general population. Before the PLO, the general population doesn't figure into the conflict in any prominent manner either. At best one could talk about their role in the Beirut stage of the hostilities in the 1980s, but that would not be more prominent than any of the other ethnic groups. As I said before, I question even the simple demographic statement that there were 100,000s in Southern Lebanon. Its article makes mention of it as being a Shia-Christian area; there are only three Palestinian camps in S. Lebanon out of 12 overall. I'm just completely confused now as to why you think we need to make mention of them. 19:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
The Mashriq map seems to define camps differently, but it is still 9 of 30. The UNRWA count is 3 camps in Southern Lebanon out of 12. What I still don't understand is how including the 1948-9 Palestinians explain the cause of breakdown of relations between Israel and Lebanon, as you argue above. Lebanon was a staging ground for anti-Jewish attacks before the founding of Israel, and like all of the Arab countries in the area, it officially declared war as soon as Israel was officially declared a state. That seems like the reason for breakdown in relations. Subsequent invasions all followed conflict with the PLO elements, and not the general Palestinian refugee society, which was obvious in the 20 year [relative] quiet between '49 and '69. Let me know, Tewfik Talk 20:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
While it isn't really relevant to this discussion, I don't mind sourcing my statement (right column - I also read it of Fawzi Al-Qawuqji's attacks, though they aren't explicitly stated on WP and I haven't the patience to check that at the moment). I am not and need not claim that the civilian refugees provided or didn't provide aid. But if possible aid is the only reason for their inclusion, then you must see clearly why I feel they do not belong. In order for them to be included, there needs to be evidence that they were a major factor in the conflict between Israel and Lebanon. I accept that the PLO types from the late 60s and beyond were such a factor, but there is no proof that the 1948-9 refugees played such a role. And while I accept that the Palestinian presence was a factor in the general demographic mess, there is no evidence that it was more than any of the other groups. I would be glad to see you source these assertions, but I have never heard them before. Please let me know, Tewfik Talk 05:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
In addition to recruiting from the camps, they had at various times close support from the Shia, Druse, and even some Christian groups. They were supplied in part by Syria, and their "mandate" is believed to have come from Egypt - should we include all of these (we probably should make mention of the Syrian occupation, but that is a separate point from its support here)? The 1948-9 refugees have not been shown to have had the same effect on the conflict as [for example] the Palestinian militants, and they are not more influential in this regard than any of the other ethnic groups in Lebanon. Unless this can be explicitly sourced, it just seems to be an independent analysis, and I honestly am not sure of why you feel so strongly that it is so. Let me know, Tewfik Talk 20:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
They obviously weren't all from the camps, and especially pre the influx of PLO from Jordan in the 70s. Again, there were many other bases for their support - need we include them all? This isn't an article about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Would you also like to list extended background for the Shia, Druse, and Maronite sects in this short background? Tewfik Talk 21:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Tewfik, you refuse to acknowledge the connection between the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon and Hezbollah resp. the current conflict, so I compiled some relevant passages for you to consider. After reading them, it should occur to you that there is more than enough justification to include the refugees in Lebanon prominently in the lead. Kosmopolis ( talk) 21:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I have completely rewritten the lead. Please let me know if you find any of the assertions there unsupported by the cited sections below. -- Kendrick7 04:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Newer details on the "crossing the border" ambush: On July 12, two Israeli Humvees passed within yards of a Hezbollah ambush point. It was a hollow carved in the underbrush, just above the track used by Israeli military patrols. The hidden Hezbollah camp was stocked with food, water, radios, rifles, antitank missiles and diagrams detailing the insignia and size of Israeli military units. The Hezbollah fighters aimed and fired at the Israeli convoy just after 9 a.m. along a remote bend in the fence-lined road.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/20/AR2006102001688.html 194.215.75.17 --
this article needs more information about the conflict that occured over the summer.
I think the name should be adjectival: Israeli-Lebanese conflict -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 13:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC) like Israeli-Palestinian conflict -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 13:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Maybe this is a bit late, but in reading through this article, I'm not sure that this name change made any sense. A large part of this conflict involves foreign actors - Palestinian groups operating within Lebanon; Syria and Iran backing Lebanese militias. The name Israel-Lebanon seems more appropriate, as a lot of the parties mentioned in this article aren't legally or ethnically Lebanese, but mearly live in or operate out of Lebanon. — George Saliba [ talk 07:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
From [12]:
"On July 12, Hezbollah Secretary General Hasan Nasrallah held a press conference carried by Lebanese Hezbollah TV Al Manar:" ...
[Nasrallah] ... no shackle will remain in the hands of people in the occupation prisons. Today is the day of loyalty to Samir al-Qintar, Yahya Skaf, Nasim Nisr, and all brothers, detainees, and prisoners in the occupation jails. ... Second, the reason for today's operation was one-upmanship within the enemy government during the previous prisoner exchange. We reached agreement during the previous exchange, according to which Samir al-Qintar, Yahya Skaf, Nasim Nisr, and others would be released, but one-upmanship within the enemy government and the vote taken � you may recall it was 12 to 11 � excluded these men from the deal. The one-upmanship which obstructed that operation led to today's military situation. Today I advise them not to bargain with one another and benefit from all past experiences. ... The operation was originally named "Freedom for Samir Al-Quntar and his brothers" The title was a bit long and they said that from a technical point of view let us shorten it to "True Promise" for the promise was made to Samir and his brothers. I would like to tell Samir and his brothers: You are on the verge of being freed. The question is a question of time. Negotiations, and discussions will be held and we will overcome this difficult stage.
I believe my gloss is accurate. -- Kendrick7 talk 18:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
i did it -- KAWASAKI ( talk) 00:36, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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The lead for this article is deeply flawed. I will list my objections to the lead below, but let me make a general comment first. The lead depicts virtually every action as Israeli retaliation for PLO terrorism and leaves out crucial context. The background based almost wholly on Israeli sources like Zeev Maoz (who is decent, but only mentioned selectively) and the Israeli ICT. I will list the issues I see with the lead now. Not all statements have a problem, but the overall picture is wildly skewed.
I do not say that all of the facts I mention below should be included in the lead. It is of course a summary.
Again, I do not say that all of the facts I mentioned should be included in the lead. But the summary lead is wildly skewed, and at odds with the article itself.
I plan to compose a better lead, depending on how much time I get. Kingsindian ( talk) 11:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved - opponents hold that the proposed title does not accurately describe the subject matter. ( non-admin closure)  — Amakuru ( talk) 11:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Israeli–Lebanese conflict →
Hezbollah–Israel conflict – Propose to rename this article, as the current content and naming seem to be a result of synthesis.
There is not really such a thing as continuous "Israel-Lebanon conflict" since 1948. The term "Israel-Lebanon conflict" is usually generically utilized to refer to the Hezbollah–Israel conflict (especially to the
1985-2000 phase). To a lesser degree Israeli-Lebanese conflict was utilized to describe the preceding
Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon, but there is no continuity between the two and certainly nothing continuous with 1948 War. In any case, Lebanese involvement in conflict with Israel has always been marginal, so it doesn't make sense to make an article with such naming.
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@ When Other Legends Are Forgotten: Firstly, there is no consensus for this edit: find consensus per WP:ONUS before making it. Secondly, your statement that there was no dispute prior to the 21st century is simply wrong. See Shebaa_farms#Territorial_dispute. Kingsindian â™Â ♚ 23:12, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
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At the 1982 Lebanon war and Israeli occupation (6 June 1982 – January 1985) section of the article, in the fifth line it says that the Multinational Force in Lebanon is predominantly muslim. This however is not true since the the multi national force is organized and created by the United States and assisted by the forces of (US, France, Italy, UK). Given that, please remove the words "predominantly muslim". Yousifya ( talk) 14:01, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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I suggest that Iran be listed in the infobox as a supporter of the Lebanese side due to Iran's support for Hezbollah during the South Lebanon Conflict from 1985-2000. 165.91.173.181 ( talk) 02:12, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 08:26, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Israeli–Lebanese conflict →
South Lebanon conflict – The South Lebanon conflict has mainly been an internal Lebanese affair during and after the
Lebanese Civil War, with Syria and Israel deeply involved in it during the late 20th century; it is hence much more correct to refer to the broader multi-party South Lebanon conflict, rather than focusing only on the Israeli-Lebanese aspect; it should be noted that in early 1980s Israelis in fact allied with the Lebanese government itself headed by
Bachir Gemayel against the PLO, until Bachir was assassinated in September 1982 and Israelis continued to support South Lebanese SLA faction as late as 2000, after which the conflict largely faded in favor of sporadic minor incidents vs Iranian proxy Hezbollah - the situation hence was quite complex with Israelis being allies of Lebanese government at some point and enemies on another.
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would https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/04/world/middleeast/israel-tunnels-lebanon-border-hezbollah.html belong under the "Israel-Hezbollah border clashes " section? it is called Operation Northern Shield so could link that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wishfart ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
There are multiple reports that the missile fired missed its intended target. I provided one such link, but there are numerous others. As such, we can't state in Wikipedia's voice that the vehicle was hit. At most , we can say Hezbollah claimed it was hit, Israel says it was not. Ynet is not the only source describing the staged medevac as psychological warfare, so there's no need for that attribution. Here come the Suns ( talk) 14:20, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
"The military said Hezbollah operatives fired two or three missiles at a battalion headquarters outside of the Israeli community of Avivim and at military vehicles nearby shortly after 4:15 p.m. Sunday. Several of the projectiles struck their targets but did not cause any casualties, despite claims to the contrary by Hezbollah, the IDF said."
"The IDF spokesman said the armored vehicle — a personnel carrier known in Hebrew as a Ze’ev that can hold up to eight people — was destroyed and that the army base outside Avivim was damaged."
Clearly hits. Plain and simple.
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The link to Lebanese Republic in the § World War I and Mandate section should be replaced with a link to Greater Lebanon, as it presently and erroneously redirects to Lebanon.
Thus, my suggested change is to replace this paragraph:
The largely [[Christians|Christian]] enclave of the French Mandate became the [[French Mandate for Syria and Lebanon|French-controlled]] [[Lebanese Republic]] in 1926. Lebanon became independent in 1943 as France was under German occupation, though French troops did not completely withdraw until 1946.
with this one:
The largely [[Christians|Christian]] enclave of the French Mandate became the [[French Mandate for Syria and Lebanon|French-controlled]] [[Greater Lebanon|Lebanese Republic]] in 1926. Lebanon became independent in 1943 as France was under German occupation, though French troops did not completely withdraw until 1946.
Thank you. 104.246.222.55 ( talk) 06:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I think we need to update this article based on the 2023 Israel–Hamas war as Israel is now reportedly striking Lebanese military positions too. Some refs: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sounds-infiltration-alarm-village-near-lebanon-border-2023-10-13/, https://time.com/6323482/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza-lebanon/ - Indefensible ( talk) 17:50, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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In section how many people killed please add how many Israel people kidnapped on October 7, 2023, from this source:
https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%97%D7%98%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%96%D7%94_(%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%9E%D7%AA_%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%96%D7%9C) 31.153.107.146 ( talk) 20:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
many western countries like germany, the US, britian, france and so on have supported israel in its conflict with lebanon. i think its best that they are mentioned, i did some work myself and got these 2 sources for germany and the US
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Please add the following sentence to the end of the first paragraph in section ... Issues during the conflict, Israeli incursions into Lebanon
22355 Israeli military aircraft have violated Lebanese airspace since 2007
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Hi I am not saying categorically that this is false but is there actually any hard evidence of this? The BBC article simply asserts it. I have never seen any actual evidence that Iran funds and arms this organisation only assertions from neo-cons. Now it may be true! But it would be good to cite an academic source rather than a BBC website to support this claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.31.33.14 ( talk) 10:32, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
This conversation has been moved to Talk:Arab-Israeli conflict by Kendrick7 03:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following line:
Lebanon has long failed to control militancy within its borders, and Israel has had a history of using force in Lebanon in response to militant attacks.
It is opinionated. Also, Lebanon is claiming to be a democracy with rights for militias and to bear arms, muh like the US constitution and it's second amendment stating that organized millitias are a right of the people. Millitia members are Lebanese by citinzenship, anyways. So saying Lebanon has failed to control militancy is inherently wrong, since the militia is Lebanese or made up of Lebanese.
This article is misleading, in that it implies there has been an ongoing, continuous conflict between Israel and Lebanon since 1948. In fact, Lebanon's role in 1948 was minor, Lebanon sat out of the 1967 war, and the Israel-Lebanon border between 1948 and 1968 was quiet (as I understand it, even unguarded). The seeds of the recent conflict lie in post-1968 developments, particularly the "state within a state" created by the PLO and the 1978 and 1982 Israeli invasions which turned the Lebanon Shiites against Israel. What should be done (as suggested by User:Mikkalai) is to rename this article Israeli-Lebanon relations. A model could be Indo-Pakistani relations: that's an example of two countries with "relations" marked by bitter hostility punctuated by several outright wars, yet no one says there is a single "India-Pakistan conflict" going back to 1947. Along with the move, we should change the focus of the article somewhat: summarize the wars but take this out of the Military history Project, and include other important topics like the Israel-Christian alliance. Sanguinalis 04:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
That is not entirely accurate. The articles about the subject here in Wikipedia report Israeli farmers doing their business peaceably on their lands over the Lebanese border, as well as the Lebanese interaction with Israeli industry/economy during the early 1980s (pre Gemayel agreement I believe). In any event, that isn't necessarily a valid criteria for this type of article. It may be acceptable as a collection of miscellaneous information on the subject (or not), but any attempt to craft it into a continuous and coherent event would probably be original research, as it does not seem to be an analysis that has been made outside this community. Cheers, Tewfik Talk 21:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Adam keller seems to have forgotten all about the "Good Fence". Israeli farmers did business over in Lebanon and during the occupation of southern Lebanon (as a Security Zone), Lebanese civilians from the Zone were able to cross the Good Fence to do business in Israel and if I remember correctly when Israel was withdrawing from Lebanon, there was one report on CNN in which Israeli farmers were interviewed and they said that they were sad that they would no longer be able to hire seasonal workers from Lebanon to pick fruit and such. There was also an article in the Economist (in 1999 around the time the SLA withdrew from Jezzine) in which it is noted that ice-cream sold in Jezzine (before the withdrawal anyway) had packaging in Hebrew - obviously from Israel. Also one of Robert Fisk's books notes how the Israelis did more than just militarily occupy Lebanon in 1982. All of these events cannot be accurately covered under the heading "Israel-Lebanon conflict". Sanguinalis uses Indo-Pakistani relations as an example of a possible model to follow. Sanguinalis also states that no talks of a single "Indo-Pakistani conflict" going back since 1947, which is true, but there is an article Indo-Pakistani Wars. If we follow those two examples there could be a larger overall article detailing Israeli-Lebanese relations including war (1948-1949), other conflicts involving Israel and Lebanon (1978, 1982, 1982-2000, 2006), the armistice (1949) peace initiatives (1983), unofficial trade, travel and the Good Fence, the Security Zone, the Israeli-Christian Lebanese alliance (including the aid given by Israel to the Phalangists and other Christian groups - such as weapons). Of all these topics actual conflict is only one part. I would suggest that there be an article on Israeli-Lebanese relations with a sub-article on Israel-Lebanon conflicts (note the plural which will be explained in a second) or the renaming of this article to Israel-Lebanon conflicts (along the line of Indo-Pakistani Wars) and the creation of a separate and related (and linked) article on Israel-Lebanon relations. The reason for having Israel-Lebanon conflicts as opposed to the current name is because there is no long standing single conflict between Israel and Lebanon from 1948 to present. It is true that they have never signed a peace treaty, but then neither have Japan and Russia, the two Koreas or India and Pakistan (although the Simla Agreement is pretty close to one). Israel and Lebanon did sign an armistice in 1949 which is heralded the end of the '48-'49 war (if not the beginning of peace). Meanwhile India and Pakistan have only variously signed ceasefires. With Israel and Lebanon all the conflicts after 1949 had nothing to do with the first war and in fact Lebanon wasn't actually a participant so much as a battleground. The 1978 and 1982 conflicts were essentially Israeli-PLO wars (and also an Israeli-Syrian war in 1982). Lebanon never played an active role. The conflict in the Security Zone was an Israeli-Hezbollah war as was the 2006 conflict (which may actually have involved Lebanon itself since Hezbollah was now in the Lebanese government - but that is debatable and I don't hold much faith in that view since the Lebanese government declared neutrality). So for the 5 conflicts that occurred across the Israeli-Lebanese border only 1 (arguably 2) actually involved Lebanon itself, the rest were carried out between Israel and various Palestinian or Lebanese non-state militias and Syria. That doesn't even include the various Israeli airstrikes on supposed PLO militants in the 70s and the Israeli special operation in Beirut during the 70s (again directed at the PLO). So there is no single "Israel-Lebanon conflict". 72.27.26.143 03:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Another point of view. Has many truth. -- 195.56.231.17 05:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
The link is not there. but there is no "another point of view here" wikipedia is supposed to be unbiased fact.
I can assume it's hebrew/Israelite Propaganda. in which case: NO, it is not true. I'm not trying to be anti semetic here, just Blunt, You cannot believe what a Jewish person who goes to temple or whatever says about this issue, The temple's stance is a flood of Propaganda, saying that Palestine dos'nt exist, there was no one there before Israel, the Arab groups want to take over Israel and hate jews. this is ALL propaganda, helped out by the U.S. government, which is semi-fachist/mis-informing.
BUT: we cannot have a biased point on wikipedia. so whatever...
CchristianTehWazzit Was HERE!!!
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I hope that this clears up the issue of the Katyushas, Tewfik Talk 19:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm paraphrasing the line you quoted as well as "Hizbollah targeted IDF positions and Israeli towns south of the Blue Line. Israel retaliated by ground, air and sea attacks." The previous line talks about an exchange of fire "between Hizbollah and IDF," so that when it says "it was heaviest in the areas west of Bint Jubayl..." it does not seem to be referring to Israeli attacks on Lebanese civilian targets (that probably cannot be inferred until the very last sentence). Tewfik Talk 21:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean: it seems to me that "Hizbollah targeted IDF positions and Israeli towns" means both. It is a separate sentence than that which discusses the "exchange of fire." Let me know... Tewfik Talk 22:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I see - I had totally missed that nuance, but I see that you have represented it in the article's text. Cheers, Tewfik Talk 22:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I've been going back and forth with User:Tewfik on this for a while, and we've come a long way towards a compromise. I believe, however, that the Palestinian exodus should be mentioned in the background because it did contribute the the demographic shift in Lebanon, and it explains one of the main reasons why the Palestinian refugees would be calling for Israel's destruction. The background as it currently stands makes it sound like the Palestians are refugees from Jordan, and not Israel, and is therefore completely misleading for a reader unfamiliar with the history of the region. Tewfik seems fixated on the idea that the PLO arriving in Lebanon was the cause of the Lebanese Civil War but I can't figure out where he gets that idea from the civil war article. -- Kendrick7 19:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't follow - what is innacurate? In terms of the argument, are you saying that the '48 refugees are as directly effective of the Civil War as the Black September ones? Cheers, Tewfik Talk 14:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure that I really appreciate the relevance of these numbers to the issue at hand. Lebanon had demographic worries from before its independence, but there isn't really evidence that the '48 Palestinian population was an immediate factor in the upheaval of the Civil War. The one factor (mentioned three times in the Civil War article, as well as in the results section of the Black September article) which seems to be stressed as being a major contribution to instability is the arrival of a population expelled from Jordan (which may well have been mostly there from 1949, but its not directly relevant), especially the large PLO infrastructure. If you agree with this, then we are only arguing about how direct an event should be included; if not, I suppose we can both go searching for sources, though I feel that the WP articles I mentioned before (of course WP isn't an RS ) are a fair representation of the most common positions. Cheers, Tewfik Talk 01:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
My argument is totally not about the demographic issue - I'm tried to explain why it isn't necessarily relevant. I do believe that the '49 Palestinians were a factor, but only indirectly, alongside many other factors. The effect of the expelled of Black September was probably even magnified by the earlier presence (and there was definitely some PLO in Lebanon already), but to the extent that the Palestinians were a factor, it was mostly due to Black September. I think these passages from Lebanese Civil War illustrate the point:
Anyways, these are just a sign of what is probably a wider held opinion, and at the end of the day, the contention that the '49 exodus affected the Civil War on the same order of magnitude, should probably be verified from a legitimate outside source. If it can be, then I suppose my perception would be in error. Let me know what you think, Tewfik Talk 04:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't at all follow your demographic argument. The main question I have for you is why you see the general Palestinian influx into Lebanon as being any more of a destabilising factor than any of the other groups' presence and demographic record (Shia, Lebanese Sunni, Christians, Druze). The only clear destabilising factor being mentioned is the arrival of the post Black September groups, and no mention of the '48-9 Palestinians as a factor is made in the Lebanese Civil War. I would appreciate if you could somehow find a source for your assertion. I also can't help remembering your early statement that you didn't want to give people an opportunity to 'just blame Israel' - if the original Palestinian influx is no different than any other, then that is exactly what is happening. Please let me know, as I am extremely uncomfortable with this (currently unsourced) statement's inclusion in such a prominent place. Tewfik Talk 05:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I said: The arrival of Palestinian militants expelled from Jordan in 1971 exacerbated preexisting tensions surrounding shifting demographic trends in ethnically fragmented Lebanon, which helped lead to the Lebanese Civil War ( 1975- 1990). These events combined to create a power vacuum in Southern Lebanon which various unchecked forces calling for Israel's destruction exploited to launch cross-border attacks to the south.
You reverted that to: The Palestinian exodus in 1948 and the expulsion of Palestinian militants from Jordan in 1971 after the events of Black September made Lebanon's southern region the home to hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees. Demographic trends unbalanced what had been a Maronite Catholic- Shi'a Muslim majority nation and led to the Lebanese Civil War ( 1975- 1990). These events combined to create a troublesome border between the nations: various unchecked forces within Lebanon were coordinating attacks against Israel and calling for its destruction.
If one of them directly ties the Palestinian exodus to the unrest in Lebanon, it seems to me to be yours (if you disagree, then please explain to me your reasoning). And if you agree that the influx of 1948-9 Palestinians was not necessarily a direct factor, then why discuss it? This isn't a history of the Palestinians or of Lebanon, but just a summary of the conflicts between Lebanon and Israel. Not to mention that those two assertions are unsourced at present. Tewfik Talk 18:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I know this is not about the Civil war - I don't understand what relevance the 1948-9 Palestinian exodus has towards the conflict between Lebanon and Israel. The destabilising role was played by the post Black September militants, and not the general population. Before the PLO, the general population doesn't figure into the conflict in any prominent manner either. At best one could talk about their role in the Beirut stage of the hostilities in the 1980s, but that would not be more prominent than any of the other ethnic groups. As I said before, I question even the simple demographic statement that there were 100,000s in Southern Lebanon. Its article makes mention of it as being a Shia-Christian area; there are only three Palestinian camps in S. Lebanon out of 12 overall. I'm just completely confused now as to why you think we need to make mention of them. 19:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
The Mashriq map seems to define camps differently, but it is still 9 of 30. The UNRWA count is 3 camps in Southern Lebanon out of 12. What I still don't understand is how including the 1948-9 Palestinians explain the cause of breakdown of relations between Israel and Lebanon, as you argue above. Lebanon was a staging ground for anti-Jewish attacks before the founding of Israel, and like all of the Arab countries in the area, it officially declared war as soon as Israel was officially declared a state. That seems like the reason for breakdown in relations. Subsequent invasions all followed conflict with the PLO elements, and not the general Palestinian refugee society, which was obvious in the 20 year [relative] quiet between '49 and '69. Let me know, Tewfik Talk 20:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
While it isn't really relevant to this discussion, I don't mind sourcing my statement (right column - I also read it of Fawzi Al-Qawuqji's attacks, though they aren't explicitly stated on WP and I haven't the patience to check that at the moment). I am not and need not claim that the civilian refugees provided or didn't provide aid. But if possible aid is the only reason for their inclusion, then you must see clearly why I feel they do not belong. In order for them to be included, there needs to be evidence that they were a major factor in the conflict between Israel and Lebanon. I accept that the PLO types from the late 60s and beyond were such a factor, but there is no proof that the 1948-9 refugees played such a role. And while I accept that the Palestinian presence was a factor in the general demographic mess, there is no evidence that it was more than any of the other groups. I would be glad to see you source these assertions, but I have never heard them before. Please let me know, Tewfik Talk 05:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
In addition to recruiting from the camps, they had at various times close support from the Shia, Druse, and even some Christian groups. They were supplied in part by Syria, and their "mandate" is believed to have come from Egypt - should we include all of these (we probably should make mention of the Syrian occupation, but that is a separate point from its support here)? The 1948-9 refugees have not been shown to have had the same effect on the conflict as [for example] the Palestinian militants, and they are not more influential in this regard than any of the other ethnic groups in Lebanon. Unless this can be explicitly sourced, it just seems to be an independent analysis, and I honestly am not sure of why you feel so strongly that it is so. Let me know, Tewfik Talk 20:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
They obviously weren't all from the camps, and especially pre the influx of PLO from Jordan in the 70s. Again, there were many other bases for their support - need we include them all? This isn't an article about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Would you also like to list extended background for the Shia, Druse, and Maronite sects in this short background? Tewfik Talk 21:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Tewfik, you refuse to acknowledge the connection between the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon and Hezbollah resp. the current conflict, so I compiled some relevant passages for you to consider. After reading them, it should occur to you that there is more than enough justification to include the refugees in Lebanon prominently in the lead. Kosmopolis ( talk) 21:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I have completely rewritten the lead. Please let me know if you find any of the assertions there unsupported by the cited sections below. -- Kendrick7 04:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Newer details on the "crossing the border" ambush: On July 12, two Israeli Humvees passed within yards of a Hezbollah ambush point. It was a hollow carved in the underbrush, just above the track used by Israeli military patrols. The hidden Hezbollah camp was stocked with food, water, radios, rifles, antitank missiles and diagrams detailing the insignia and size of Israeli military units. The Hezbollah fighters aimed and fired at the Israeli convoy just after 9 a.m. along a remote bend in the fence-lined road.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/20/AR2006102001688.html 194.215.75.17 --
this article needs more information about the conflict that occured over the summer.
I think the name should be adjectival: Israeli-Lebanese conflict -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 13:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC) like Israeli-Palestinian conflict -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 13:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Maybe this is a bit late, but in reading through this article, I'm not sure that this name change made any sense. A large part of this conflict involves foreign actors - Palestinian groups operating within Lebanon; Syria and Iran backing Lebanese militias. The name Israel-Lebanon seems more appropriate, as a lot of the parties mentioned in this article aren't legally or ethnically Lebanese, but mearly live in or operate out of Lebanon. — George Saliba [ talk 07:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
From [12]:
"On July 12, Hezbollah Secretary General Hasan Nasrallah held a press conference carried by Lebanese Hezbollah TV Al Manar:" ...
[Nasrallah] ... no shackle will remain in the hands of people in the occupation prisons. Today is the day of loyalty to Samir al-Qintar, Yahya Skaf, Nasim Nisr, and all brothers, detainees, and prisoners in the occupation jails. ... Second, the reason for today's operation was one-upmanship within the enemy government during the previous prisoner exchange. We reached agreement during the previous exchange, according to which Samir al-Qintar, Yahya Skaf, Nasim Nisr, and others would be released, but one-upmanship within the enemy government and the vote taken � you may recall it was 12 to 11 � excluded these men from the deal. The one-upmanship which obstructed that operation led to today's military situation. Today I advise them not to bargain with one another and benefit from all past experiences. ... The operation was originally named "Freedom for Samir Al-Quntar and his brothers" The title was a bit long and they said that from a technical point of view let us shorten it to "True Promise" for the promise was made to Samir and his brothers. I would like to tell Samir and his brothers: You are on the verge of being freed. The question is a question of time. Negotiations, and discussions will be held and we will overcome this difficult stage.
I believe my gloss is accurate. -- Kendrick7 talk 18:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
i did it -- KAWASAKI ( talk) 00:36, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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The lead for this article is deeply flawed. I will list my objections to the lead below, but let me make a general comment first. The lead depicts virtually every action as Israeli retaliation for PLO terrorism and leaves out crucial context. The background based almost wholly on Israeli sources like Zeev Maoz (who is decent, but only mentioned selectively) and the Israeli ICT. I will list the issues I see with the lead now. Not all statements have a problem, but the overall picture is wildly skewed.
I do not say that all of the facts I mention below should be included in the lead. It is of course a summary.
Again, I do not say that all of the facts I mentioned should be included in the lead. But the summary lead is wildly skewed, and at odds with the article itself.
I plan to compose a better lead, depending on how much time I get. Kingsindian ( talk) 11:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved - opponents hold that the proposed title does not accurately describe the subject matter. ( non-admin closure)  — Amakuru ( talk) 11:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Israeli–Lebanese conflict →
Hezbollah–Israel conflict – Propose to rename this article, as the current content and naming seem to be a result of synthesis.
There is not really such a thing as continuous "Israel-Lebanon conflict" since 1948. The term "Israel-Lebanon conflict" is usually generically utilized to refer to the Hezbollah–Israel conflict (especially to the
1985-2000 phase). To a lesser degree Israeli-Lebanese conflict was utilized to describe the preceding
Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon, but there is no continuity between the two and certainly nothing continuous with 1948 War. In any case, Lebanese involvement in conflict with Israel has always been marginal, so it doesn't make sense to make an article with such naming.
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@ When Other Legends Are Forgotten: Firstly, there is no consensus for this edit: find consensus per WP:ONUS before making it. Secondly, your statement that there was no dispute prior to the 21st century is simply wrong. See Shebaa_farms#Territorial_dispute. Kingsindian â™Â ♚ 23:12, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
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I suggest that Iran be listed in the infobox as a supporter of the Lebanese side due to Iran's support for Hezbollah during the South Lebanon Conflict from 1985-2000. 165.91.173.181 ( talk) 02:12, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 08:26, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Israeli–Lebanese conflict →
South Lebanon conflict – The South Lebanon conflict has mainly been an internal Lebanese affair during and after the
Lebanese Civil War, with Syria and Israel deeply involved in it during the late 20th century; it is hence much more correct to refer to the broader multi-party South Lebanon conflict, rather than focusing only on the Israeli-Lebanese aspect; it should be noted that in early 1980s Israelis in fact allied with the Lebanese government itself headed by
Bachir Gemayel against the PLO, until Bachir was assassinated in September 1982 and Israelis continued to support South Lebanese SLA faction as late as 2000, after which the conflict largely faded in favor of sporadic minor incidents vs Iranian proxy Hezbollah - the situation hence was quite complex with Israelis being allies of Lebanese government at some point and enemies on another.
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Dekimasu
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would https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/04/world/middleeast/israel-tunnels-lebanon-border-hezbollah.html belong under the "Israel-Hezbollah border clashes " section? it is called Operation Northern Shield so could link that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wishfart ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
There are multiple reports that the missile fired missed its intended target. I provided one such link, but there are numerous others. As such, we can't state in Wikipedia's voice that the vehicle was hit. At most , we can say Hezbollah claimed it was hit, Israel says it was not. Ynet is not the only source describing the staged medevac as psychological warfare, so there's no need for that attribution. Here come the Suns ( talk) 14:20, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
"The military said Hezbollah operatives fired two or three missiles at a battalion headquarters outside of the Israeli community of Avivim and at military vehicles nearby shortly after 4:15 p.m. Sunday. Several of the projectiles struck their targets but did not cause any casualties, despite claims to the contrary by Hezbollah, the IDF said."
"The IDF spokesman said the armored vehicle — a personnel carrier known in Hebrew as a Ze’ev that can hold up to eight people — was destroyed and that the army base outside Avivim was damaged."
Clearly hits. Plain and simple.
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The link to Lebanese Republic in the § World War I and Mandate section should be replaced with a link to Greater Lebanon, as it presently and erroneously redirects to Lebanon.
Thus, my suggested change is to replace this paragraph:
The largely [[Christians|Christian]] enclave of the French Mandate became the [[French Mandate for Syria and Lebanon|French-controlled]] [[Lebanese Republic]] in 1926. Lebanon became independent in 1943 as France was under German occupation, though French troops did not completely withdraw until 1946.
with this one:
The largely [[Christians|Christian]] enclave of the French Mandate became the [[French Mandate for Syria and Lebanon|French-controlled]] [[Greater Lebanon|Lebanese Republic]] in 1926. Lebanon became independent in 1943 as France was under German occupation, though French troops did not completely withdraw until 1946.
Thank you. 104.246.222.55 ( talk) 06:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I think we need to update this article based on the 2023 Israel–Hamas war as Israel is now reportedly striking Lebanese military positions too. Some refs: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sounds-infiltration-alarm-village-near-lebanon-border-2023-10-13/, https://time.com/6323482/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza-lebanon/ - Indefensible ( talk) 17:50, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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In section how many people killed please add how many Israel people kidnapped on October 7, 2023, from this source:
https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%97%D7%98%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%96%D7%94_(%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%9E%D7%AA_%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%96%D7%9C) 31.153.107.146 ( talk) 20:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
many western countries like germany, the US, britian, france and so on have supported israel in its conflict with lebanon. i think its best that they are mentioned, i did some work myself and got these 2 sources for germany and the US
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Please add the following sentence to the end of the first paragraph in section ... Issues during the conflict, Israeli incursions into Lebanon
22355 Israeli military aircraft have violated Lebanese airspace since 2007
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220613-israel-violated-lebanon-airspace-over-22000-times-since-2007-report-finds/ 98.46.117.234 ( talk) 00:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)