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I'm a little short on time today, but have a few suggestions on how this article could be improved:
That said, the article as a whole reads very well and I like it :) Ziggurat 23:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the following statement in the article:
"While the 2004 Israeli spies scandal did not leave "scars or grievances" between New Zealand and Israeli diplomats, the Jewish-New Zealander community was isolated economically. Business with Israel was hurt by a moratorium imposed by New Zealand companies on business deals and agreements until the crisis was resolved, significantly motivating Israel's apology.[4]".
I am a Jewish New Zealander, who owns a business and at no time was myself or anyone Jewish I know affected economically or isolated as this fanciful claim says. Secondly the claim that business between Israel and New Zealand companies was hurt - is an unsubstantiated claim made in the NZ Herald link, again one that I doubt. Cybershul 13:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
How can you counter quote unsubstantiated claims? If opinion is good enough for them, then also accept my two cents worth as your counter quote. The article said quote "New Zealand companies". I have a "New Zealand company". This article doesn't represent my New Zealand company or any I'm aware of. What makes an unsubstantiated claim in the NZ Herald any better then an unsubstantiated claim on Wikipedia (which would be tagged as such)? Cybershul 14:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
This is the quote from the NZ Herald:
Private business with Israel was sharply hit by the crisis atmosphere as local New Zealand companies placed a moratorium on potential deals and agreements pending a resolution of the crisis.
which is unsubstantiated opinion because it does not cite any examples to back up their claim. Business is business, and business relations are often more robust then political considerations, so business deals will continue anyway. If you're Joe schmo NZ business owner and you have a good relationship with your Israeli supplier/customer, are you going to upset the apple cart over some stupid act committed by a couple of unrelated Israeli nationals? I think not. Cybershul 08:59, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I see that this article has been moved, and then moved back. Unfortunately, neither of the names is appropriate. As I noted above, the name should be New Zealand-Israel relations, consistent with Israel-United States relations, Australia-New Zealand relations, Turkey-United States relations, Cuba-United States relations, United States-CĂ´te d'Ivoire relations, and a whole heap of others. Ziggurat 22:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
New Zealander refers to people; as such I'm a New Zealander; this article refers to countries thus New Zealand is more correct. That is why I moved it in the first place to New Zealand-Israel relations Brian | (Talk) 06:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
A couple things that IMHO need fixing: 1) this article seems to be written from a NZ perspective and 2) a huge part of the artile reads like a blog on the recent events. Let's remember what WP is not. â Humus sapiens Đ˝Ń? 00:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I suggest trying (very soon) in placing this on Did you know for full front page attraction. -- Midnighttonight Remind me to do my uni work rather than procrastinate on the internet 10:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is this kidnapping discussed in this article? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think it relates directly to NZ-Israel relations. And making it a subsection under the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict also seems odd to me. -- Avenue 12:49, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
That page (encyclopedic article?) doesn't even mention Israel. Why is it here? â Humus sapiens Đ˝Ń? 03:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
With respect...the personal opinions of a former MP who has never been elected to Parliament under ACT hardly constitutes reasonable or fair comment in a Wikipedia article about Israeli-New Zealand relations. Clearly this former Labour man has an axe to grind and his personal assumption concerning the relationship between Phil Goff and Arafat would be better vented in some gutter tabloid, not in Wikipedia. Political or religious opinion belongs somewhere else.
Lest we not forget that Gabi Ashkenazi is the chief of staff to the IDF and his associates had just been done for passport fraud in NZ. The last thing New Zealand needs is for the holder of a NZ passport to be convicted somewhere in the world for an assassination which goes wrong and takes out women and children!
I propose that this article is either rewritten in a neutral tone or removed forthwith.. Mombas 11:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
This statement is problematic, because it is unreferenced and borders on POV and/or original research. It needs to be substantiated or removed. âPreceding unsigned comment added by TippTopp ( talk ⢠contribs) 13:39, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
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I'm a little short on time today, but have a few suggestions on how this article could be improved:
That said, the article as a whole reads very well and I like it :) Ziggurat 23:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the following statement in the article:
"While the 2004 Israeli spies scandal did not leave "scars or grievances" between New Zealand and Israeli diplomats, the Jewish-New Zealander community was isolated economically. Business with Israel was hurt by a moratorium imposed by New Zealand companies on business deals and agreements until the crisis was resolved, significantly motivating Israel's apology.[4]".
I am a Jewish New Zealander, who owns a business and at no time was myself or anyone Jewish I know affected economically or isolated as this fanciful claim says. Secondly the claim that business between Israel and New Zealand companies was hurt - is an unsubstantiated claim made in the NZ Herald link, again one that I doubt. Cybershul 13:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
How can you counter quote unsubstantiated claims? If opinion is good enough for them, then also accept my two cents worth as your counter quote. The article said quote "New Zealand companies". I have a "New Zealand company". This article doesn't represent my New Zealand company or any I'm aware of. What makes an unsubstantiated claim in the NZ Herald any better then an unsubstantiated claim on Wikipedia (which would be tagged as such)? Cybershul 14:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
This is the quote from the NZ Herald:
Private business with Israel was sharply hit by the crisis atmosphere as local New Zealand companies placed a moratorium on potential deals and agreements pending a resolution of the crisis.
which is unsubstantiated opinion because it does not cite any examples to back up their claim. Business is business, and business relations are often more robust then political considerations, so business deals will continue anyway. If you're Joe schmo NZ business owner and you have a good relationship with your Israeli supplier/customer, are you going to upset the apple cart over some stupid act committed by a couple of unrelated Israeli nationals? I think not. Cybershul 08:59, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I see that this article has been moved, and then moved back. Unfortunately, neither of the names is appropriate. As I noted above, the name should be New Zealand-Israel relations, consistent with Israel-United States relations, Australia-New Zealand relations, Turkey-United States relations, Cuba-United States relations, United States-CĂ´te d'Ivoire relations, and a whole heap of others. Ziggurat 22:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
New Zealander refers to people; as such I'm a New Zealander; this article refers to countries thus New Zealand is more correct. That is why I moved it in the first place to New Zealand-Israel relations Brian | (Talk) 06:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
A couple things that IMHO need fixing: 1) this article seems to be written from a NZ perspective and 2) a huge part of the artile reads like a blog on the recent events. Let's remember what WP is not. â Humus sapiens Đ˝Ń? 00:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I suggest trying (very soon) in placing this on Did you know for full front page attraction. -- Midnighttonight Remind me to do my uni work rather than procrastinate on the internet 10:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is this kidnapping discussed in this article? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think it relates directly to NZ-Israel relations. And making it a subsection under the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict also seems odd to me. -- Avenue 12:49, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
That page (encyclopedic article?) doesn't even mention Israel. Why is it here? â Humus sapiens Đ˝Ń? 03:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
With respect...the personal opinions of a former MP who has never been elected to Parliament under ACT hardly constitutes reasonable or fair comment in a Wikipedia article about Israeli-New Zealand relations. Clearly this former Labour man has an axe to grind and his personal assumption concerning the relationship between Phil Goff and Arafat would be better vented in some gutter tabloid, not in Wikipedia. Political or religious opinion belongs somewhere else.
Lest we not forget that Gabi Ashkenazi is the chief of staff to the IDF and his associates had just been done for passport fraud in NZ. The last thing New Zealand needs is for the holder of a NZ passport to be convicted somewhere in the world for an assassination which goes wrong and takes out women and children!
I propose that this article is either rewritten in a neutral tone or removed forthwith.. Mombas 11:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
This statement is problematic, because it is unreferenced and borders on POV and/or original research. It needs to be substantiated or removed. âPreceding unsigned comment added by TippTopp ( talk ⢠contribs) 13:39, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
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