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This is a good and relevant article which describes Redmond as "mobilising behind the right" or conservatives within the SA liberal party:
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help)But not sure how to integrate into article. Donama ( talk) 02:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
A couple of other good articles... [1] [2]... the first one is especially good. I've incorporated your and the first of my refs in to the sentence saying Redmond is from the Evans family faction, but don't know how and if it should be expanded on, especially considering recent unravelling events. Timeshift ( talk) 02:37, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, the revert war is not productive, so I think it may be worth having this out on the talk page instead. For those who haven't already been involved (myself, Timeshift9 ( talk · contribs), and 219.90.247.22 ( talk · contribs)), you may want to check out this discussion.
Essentially the problem is this sentence (referenced by [3], [4], [5]:
Redmond is linked to the conservative Evans family faction within the Liberal Party's South Australian division.
I supported the inclusion of the reference to the Evans family initially, but now I'm not entirely comfortable with the sourcing, and per WP:BLP we have to be careful. Thoughts? -- Lear's Fool ( talk | contribs) 12:37, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
This is all a bit of a storm in a teacup, isn't it? The sources undeniably confirm that Redmond is affiliated with the conservative faction. To be honest, I can't really see why it's so important to call it the "Evans family faction" - can't we just say "conservative faction mobilised by Iain Evans" or "associated with" or something? (Since the second reliable source makes that perfectly clear.) That way the Evans link is clear, but it also points out that the faction is more than just an Evans family personality cult. Frickeg ( talk) 16:22, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Lear, instead of reverting can you please respond. Thanks. Timeshift ( talk) 07:26, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
"Liberal candidate, solicitor Isobel Redmond, put there [Heysen] by the number of the Evans family rather than any genuine local support" [6]. This goes a step further and says the Evans family actually installed Redmond in Heysen. Is there a better source available for such issues? Timeshift ( talk) 23:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Is this noteable and suitable for reworded inclusion in the article?
Then came the next ballot, and the result? Eight to Evans, 10 to Hamilton-Smith. Well, that was one result. The other was Redmond’s reaction. It’s difficult to find a single word to describe it. Fury would come close. Rage could be apt, as in a raging volcano. Some of those close to her say they saw a side the public has never seen in the nine months of her leadership. She slammed her glass down, they said, with such fury it sprayed on the desk and that she went to her office in a rage. One claims he heard her threaten resignation, another that she said she’d force a second spill – presumably this time it wouldn’t be a glass of water. For almost two hours she refused to speak with the media or leave her fortified keep ... “I am not prepared to discuss what happens within the party room," Redmond said icily when asked if she’d “hit the roof”. Frankly and bluntly, she said Hamilton-Smith was not her first choice as deputy. That he was her last choice as deputy was left unsaid. But she promised, twice, on camera, that she would abide by the wishes of the party room. At that moment, Redmond violated her reputation as a person who tells the truth. [7]
Comments appreciated. Timeshift ( talk) 08:33, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
The allegations alleged in this article against Ms. Redmond (UteGate) has not been proven nor is it relevant to be posted up in the current manner as it suggest that the allegations are correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josh hage ( talk • contribs) 03:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Sources [8] [9]. Is this noteable enough? Should some mention of it be added? I'm erring toward yes. Timeshift ( talk) 03:56, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Have asked Frickeg for the source in pre-empting the inevitable questioning. Timeshift ( talk) 08:42, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
I read on the BBC website that Isobel Redmond, "...once famously volunteered to be tasered by police..." ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21863630). So I came to Wikipedia interested to know exactly what her motives were for volunteering to be tasered only, there's nothing about it here. So, is this so called famous taser incident something worth pointing out? 212.250.138.33 ( talk) 04:46, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
I've added this with a WP:RS to the article. I was going to add it to ECSA/Kay Mousley articles but decided as it wasn't substantiated that it would be best not to at this stage. But note to Redmond - take a look at your own booths. Bridgewater and Upper Sturt stand out - 8% 2PP swings to Labor. It's a pity that there's no metropolitan 2PP recorded because it's certainly nothing like the statewide result. Timeshift ( talk) 07:22, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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This is a good and relevant article which describes Redmond as "mobilising behind the right" or conservatives within the SA liberal party:
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cite news}}
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help)But not sure how to integrate into article. Donama ( talk) 02:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
A couple of other good articles... [1] [2]... the first one is especially good. I've incorporated your and the first of my refs in to the sentence saying Redmond is from the Evans family faction, but don't know how and if it should be expanded on, especially considering recent unravelling events. Timeshift ( talk) 02:37, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, the revert war is not productive, so I think it may be worth having this out on the talk page instead. For those who haven't already been involved (myself, Timeshift9 ( talk · contribs), and 219.90.247.22 ( talk · contribs)), you may want to check out this discussion.
Essentially the problem is this sentence (referenced by [3], [4], [5]:
Redmond is linked to the conservative Evans family faction within the Liberal Party's South Australian division.
I supported the inclusion of the reference to the Evans family initially, but now I'm not entirely comfortable with the sourcing, and per WP:BLP we have to be careful. Thoughts? -- Lear's Fool ( talk | contribs) 12:37, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
This is all a bit of a storm in a teacup, isn't it? The sources undeniably confirm that Redmond is affiliated with the conservative faction. To be honest, I can't really see why it's so important to call it the "Evans family faction" - can't we just say "conservative faction mobilised by Iain Evans" or "associated with" or something? (Since the second reliable source makes that perfectly clear.) That way the Evans link is clear, but it also points out that the faction is more than just an Evans family personality cult. Frickeg ( talk) 16:22, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Lear, instead of reverting can you please respond. Thanks. Timeshift ( talk) 07:26, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
"Liberal candidate, solicitor Isobel Redmond, put there [Heysen] by the number of the Evans family rather than any genuine local support" [6]. This goes a step further and says the Evans family actually installed Redmond in Heysen. Is there a better source available for such issues? Timeshift ( talk) 23:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Is this noteable and suitable for reworded inclusion in the article?
Then came the next ballot, and the result? Eight to Evans, 10 to Hamilton-Smith. Well, that was one result. The other was Redmond’s reaction. It’s difficult to find a single word to describe it. Fury would come close. Rage could be apt, as in a raging volcano. Some of those close to her say they saw a side the public has never seen in the nine months of her leadership. She slammed her glass down, they said, with such fury it sprayed on the desk and that she went to her office in a rage. One claims he heard her threaten resignation, another that she said she’d force a second spill – presumably this time it wouldn’t be a glass of water. For almost two hours she refused to speak with the media or leave her fortified keep ... “I am not prepared to discuss what happens within the party room," Redmond said icily when asked if she’d “hit the roof”. Frankly and bluntly, she said Hamilton-Smith was not her first choice as deputy. That he was her last choice as deputy was left unsaid. But she promised, twice, on camera, that she would abide by the wishes of the party room. At that moment, Redmond violated her reputation as a person who tells the truth. [7]
Comments appreciated. Timeshift ( talk) 08:33, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
The allegations alleged in this article against Ms. Redmond (UteGate) has not been proven nor is it relevant to be posted up in the current manner as it suggest that the allegations are correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josh hage ( talk • contribs) 03:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Sources [8] [9]. Is this noteable enough? Should some mention of it be added? I'm erring toward yes. Timeshift ( talk) 03:56, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Have asked Frickeg for the source in pre-empting the inevitable questioning. Timeshift ( talk) 08:42, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
I read on the BBC website that Isobel Redmond, "...once famously volunteered to be tasered by police..." ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21863630). So I came to Wikipedia interested to know exactly what her motives were for volunteering to be tasered only, there's nothing about it here. So, is this so called famous taser incident something worth pointing out? 212.250.138.33 ( talk) 04:46, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
I've added this with a WP:RS to the article. I was going to add it to ECSA/Kay Mousley articles but decided as it wasn't substantiated that it would be best not to at this stage. But note to Redmond - take a look at your own booths. Bridgewater and Upper Sturt stand out - 8% 2PP swings to Labor. It's a pity that there's no metropolitan 2PP recorded because it's certainly nothing like the statewide result. Timeshift ( talk) 07:22, 22 May 2014 (UTC)