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The area is given in hectares, but the Skye article gives its area in square kilometres. Is there a policy? Manormadman ( talk) 02:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Manormadman
There is no policy. The convention is to use hectares but there is no reason I can think of not to use km2 for larger islands. Ben Mac Dui 14:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
To be consistent this article should be moved to Mull, Scotland. Its name is not "Isle of Mull" anymore than "Glasgow" is the "City of Glasgow". Ben Mac Dui 15:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I live on Mull and would expect "Isle of Mull" but also see your point.
Also I wrote the Harry Potter thing something like 4+ years ago (I originally added all the movie references, traffic routes and rally info). The HP reference is currently totally inaccurate and an absolute lie due to some kind of editing version of Chinese whispers (which I increasingly see on WP as the years go by). It should probably be removed. 217.43.10.9 ( talk) 21:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)KM
I am proposing that this page be moved to "Mull" as it would appear to have primacy. "Mull" as it stands would be moved to Mull (disambiguation), currently a redirect to "Mull". Ben Mac Dui 08:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
It will need to be moved to Mull, Scotland, as Mull exists as a disambiguation page. Or, Mull could be moved to Mull (disambiguation) and Isle of Mull could go to Mull with a disambiguation hatnote. Thoughts? -- SquidSK (1MC• log) 09:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Move this to Mull and the disambiguation page to (disambiguation). We don't have an article called Mull (something) or Mull, Something so there's nothing to disambiguate in the strictest sense. Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Can we separate out the issues:-
The second is the contentious one. I feel the island article should remain at Isle of Mull. Finavon ( talk) 12:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the analysis. "Isle of Mull" is certainly easier to guess than "Mull, xx", but its not clear to me why you'd prefer "Isle of Mull" to "Mull". These names are only used where the name is the most common usage e.g. Isle of May or if some dab need e.g. "Isle of Arran" - its not "Isle of Gigha", "Isle of Westray" etc. Ben Mac Dui 16:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I've tidied up the dab page at Mull, moving the island to first place in the list and decanting the etymology of the promontories to a new Mull (geographical term). I did this after looking for the island as "Mull" and find the dab page less than ideal. You (Isle of) Mull experts might like to have a look and/or comment. PamD ( talk) 13:22, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
As I see it there are 3 possibilities:
We need to answer two questions:
I reckon that the island (best known as "Isle of Mull") is probably also the primary usage for "Mull", so would have been WP:BOLD and moved the dab page to Mull (disambiguation) (making a redirect from "Mull" to Isle of Mull as in 2nd option above), but I see it has an edit history so that wouldn't work without going to WP:RM, so I'll invite comments here before doing that. Any thoughts?
I've just made a formal WP:RM for this, after inconclusive discussion here. PamD ( talk) 19:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 14:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Isle of Mull → Mull — Now that we have established that the island is the primary meaning of "Mull", the prefix "Isle of" is unnecessary. Most Scottish islands do not have this prefix. The only one I am aware of is Isle of Arran, and that is to disambiguate it from some Irish islands with similar names. "Isle" is not particularly common idiom, "island" is more common. PatGallacher ( talk) 19:56, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the List of post towns in the United Kingdom, I see that they use "Isle of" consistenly for all Scottish islands, including e.g. Isle of North Uist, Isle of Barra, which we do not have, and nobody has suggested we use consistently. The post office is entitled to its own naming conventions, but I am not sure that they are consistently based on local opinion, we are not automatically obliged to follow them. The only other cases where Wikipedia uses "Isle of" is where the island is not the primary meaning (e.g. Arran, Bute (although even there there is a tenable case that they should be). PatGallacher ( talk) 13:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't want to get into an edit war over this: lostfort.blogspot.com is not a reliable source; neither is shipmodeling.net. I've posted my references, maybe you've seen the article on the ship, what is the problem?-- Brianann MacAmhlaidh ( talk) 05:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Is it possible to add two additional external links to this page? These are :
Tobermory Harbour Association - www.tobermoryharbour.co.uk
Tobermory Golf Club - www.tobermorygolfclub.com
I think these could be useful links for information to the social and professional visitors. 81.136.141.237 ( talk) 15:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
When I was a primary school, I read an article called "Mac the Rascal from Mull" that was obviously about some one from this island. Does any one think that this article could have a section in it called "Stories or folklore that comes from or is set in Mull"? ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 15:19, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
People need to make their mind up what the primary topic is for "Mull". There are three possibilities:
The current situation, where Mull redirects to Isle of Mull while Isle of Lewis redirects to Lewis (the island being the primary topic), and Arran is a dab page (there being no primary topic), is simply illogical and I have seen no reason that would have made me understand it. It seems to imply that Mull is the primary topic, and that it is not, at the same time. -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 01:05, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. EdJohnston ( talk) 22:34, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Isle of Mull →
Mull – Per the above discussion and
Mull (disambiguation), it is now clear that the island is, indeed, the primary topic for "Mull". Therefore, "Isle of" is unnecessary and the article should be under the plain name of the island, as in the case of
Lewis. This will make the step of the additional redirect obsolete. It is true that there are specific situations when a term redirects to its primary meaning under a different title, which are described in
WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT; but as far as I can discern, this situation is not comparable to any of those. --Relisted.
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"The Post Office built an experimental wireless telegraph station on Meall an Inbhire near Tobermory in 1892.[29]" Is that location specifically identified? The Post Office Tobermory wireless station (GCA) is in various lists from that period but the Lat / Long is down in Tobermory. There is a photograph of it in the museum also. I understood it was around the Southern end of Argyll Terrace. Meall an Inbhire was used as an Admiralty wireless station in WWII, then became a Post Office microwave station but not seen any suggestion it dated back to the 19th Century and no evidence on site. jmb ( talk) 13:43, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved -- JHunterJ ( talk) 13:18, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
– Per WP:COMMONNAME this is the name on the Ordnance Survey. Based on concerns at Talk:Noss#Requested move 23 December 2018 and Talk:Glimps Holm#Requested move 14 January 2019 the island isn't the clear primary topic for "Mull" anyway [ [5]] since the term "Mull" since both Mull (geographical term), Mull (humus) [6] and Mulled wine have more long-term significance even though its not that likely search term for "Mull" and we don't yet have an article on the humus. While the geographical term article doesn't get many hits Mull of Kintyre which is well known gets more views than the island. The OS uses " Mull for a small place in northern Mull of Kintyre (where the lighthouse is), either this is a duplicate entry or its another small feature. As I noted at the Noss discussion the move does not contravene WP:UKPLACE because the common name of the island is "Isle of Mull" and if that was still ambiguous we would use Isle of Mull, Scotland. We moved Lewis to Isle of Lewis last year and have had Isle of Arran and Isle of Bute at those locations when "Isle of X" is on the OS (even though the same arguments about "Isle of X" appear to apply to those but not Isle of Ewe and Isle of May since only those are said to have "Isle of X" formerly). Among other sources that use "Isle of Mull" are:
To name a few, there are many others too. A search on Wikipedia for "Isle of Tiree" (which is just " Tiree" gets 30, "Isle of Jura" (which is also just " Jura" although I did change a few from "Isle of Jura" to "Jura" recently) gets 68 but "Isle of Mull" gets 541! On Google "Isle of Tiree" gets about 220,000, "Isle of Jura" gets about 1,230,000 but "Isle of Mull" gets about 2,120,000.
While I understand as noted that the English based OS might not be the best source due to not begin Scottish based the OS is still widely used in Scotland and Hamish Haswell-Smith (who's classification of an island excludes both Seil, the Uists/ Benbecula and the Isle of Skye for being bridged) who apparently says "Isle of X" is informal for most islands even gives the titles of OS maps that cover the island. For example on page 91 (for Mull) he notes 1:00000 Sheets 47, 48 and 49 and also notes for 1:25000 Sheets 373, 374 and 375. So yes I would agree that the usage of "Isle of X" would probably be informal for those that don't have "Isle of X" on the OS but the OS should at least be regarded as formal enough to at minimum constitute natural disambiguation. So yes Tiree, Coll, Colonsay and Iona aren't comparable since the OS doesn't use "Isle of X" for them and as can be seen from Google Maps, they don't have the prefix.
I think both the move to "Isle of Mull" for the island and the DAB to plain "Mull" should both take place but if not I'll provide a list of options below:
Please indicate you're options by putting A, B, C or Oppose per the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#The utility and accuracy of ranked surveys or even list you're preferred outcomes in order such as "B, A, D, C" in which "D" can be used for "Oppose".
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This is an odd way of approaching the listing/description of settlements on Mull - by being either OS or non-OS. What's the rationale? Geopersona ( talk) 07:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Mull is the fifth, not the fourth, largest island in Great Britain: the mainland island of Great Britain, Lewis and Harris, Skye, and the Shetland mainland are all larger by area. 185.94.232.8 ( talk) 12:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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The area is given in hectares, but the Skye article gives its area in square kilometres. Is there a policy? Manormadman ( talk) 02:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Manormadman
There is no policy. The convention is to use hectares but there is no reason I can think of not to use km2 for larger islands. Ben Mac Dui 14:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
To be consistent this article should be moved to Mull, Scotland. Its name is not "Isle of Mull" anymore than "Glasgow" is the "City of Glasgow". Ben Mac Dui 15:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I live on Mull and would expect "Isle of Mull" but also see your point.
Also I wrote the Harry Potter thing something like 4+ years ago (I originally added all the movie references, traffic routes and rally info). The HP reference is currently totally inaccurate and an absolute lie due to some kind of editing version of Chinese whispers (which I increasingly see on WP as the years go by). It should probably be removed. 217.43.10.9 ( talk) 21:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)KM
I am proposing that this page be moved to "Mull" as it would appear to have primacy. "Mull" as it stands would be moved to Mull (disambiguation), currently a redirect to "Mull". Ben Mac Dui 08:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
It will need to be moved to Mull, Scotland, as Mull exists as a disambiguation page. Or, Mull could be moved to Mull (disambiguation) and Isle of Mull could go to Mull with a disambiguation hatnote. Thoughts? -- SquidSK (1MC• log) 09:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Move this to Mull and the disambiguation page to (disambiguation). We don't have an article called Mull (something) or Mull, Something so there's nothing to disambiguate in the strictest sense. Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Can we separate out the issues:-
The second is the contentious one. I feel the island article should remain at Isle of Mull. Finavon ( talk) 12:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the analysis. "Isle of Mull" is certainly easier to guess than "Mull, xx", but its not clear to me why you'd prefer "Isle of Mull" to "Mull". These names are only used where the name is the most common usage e.g. Isle of May or if some dab need e.g. "Isle of Arran" - its not "Isle of Gigha", "Isle of Westray" etc. Ben Mac Dui 16:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I've tidied up the dab page at Mull, moving the island to first place in the list and decanting the etymology of the promontories to a new Mull (geographical term). I did this after looking for the island as "Mull" and find the dab page less than ideal. You (Isle of) Mull experts might like to have a look and/or comment. PamD ( talk) 13:22, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
As I see it there are 3 possibilities:
We need to answer two questions:
I reckon that the island (best known as "Isle of Mull") is probably also the primary usage for "Mull", so would have been WP:BOLD and moved the dab page to Mull (disambiguation) (making a redirect from "Mull" to Isle of Mull as in 2nd option above), but I see it has an edit history so that wouldn't work without going to WP:RM, so I'll invite comments here before doing that. Any thoughts?
I've just made a formal WP:RM for this, after inconclusive discussion here. PamD ( talk) 19:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 14:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Isle of Mull → Mull — Now that we have established that the island is the primary meaning of "Mull", the prefix "Isle of" is unnecessary. Most Scottish islands do not have this prefix. The only one I am aware of is Isle of Arran, and that is to disambiguate it from some Irish islands with similar names. "Isle" is not particularly common idiom, "island" is more common. PatGallacher ( talk) 19:56, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the List of post towns in the United Kingdom, I see that they use "Isle of" consistenly for all Scottish islands, including e.g. Isle of North Uist, Isle of Barra, which we do not have, and nobody has suggested we use consistently. The post office is entitled to its own naming conventions, but I am not sure that they are consistently based on local opinion, we are not automatically obliged to follow them. The only other cases where Wikipedia uses "Isle of" is where the island is not the primary meaning (e.g. Arran, Bute (although even there there is a tenable case that they should be). PatGallacher ( talk) 13:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't want to get into an edit war over this: lostfort.blogspot.com is not a reliable source; neither is shipmodeling.net. I've posted my references, maybe you've seen the article on the ship, what is the problem?-- Brianann MacAmhlaidh ( talk) 05:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Is it possible to add two additional external links to this page? These are :
Tobermory Harbour Association - www.tobermoryharbour.co.uk
Tobermory Golf Club - www.tobermorygolfclub.com
I think these could be useful links for information to the social and professional visitors. 81.136.141.237 ( talk) 15:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
When I was a primary school, I read an article called "Mac the Rascal from Mull" that was obviously about some one from this island. Does any one think that this article could have a section in it called "Stories or folklore that comes from or is set in Mull"? ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 15:19, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
People need to make their mind up what the primary topic is for "Mull". There are three possibilities:
The current situation, where Mull redirects to Isle of Mull while Isle of Lewis redirects to Lewis (the island being the primary topic), and Arran is a dab page (there being no primary topic), is simply illogical and I have seen no reason that would have made me understand it. It seems to imply that Mull is the primary topic, and that it is not, at the same time. -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 01:05, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. EdJohnston ( talk) 22:34, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Isle of Mull →
Mull – Per the above discussion and
Mull (disambiguation), it is now clear that the island is, indeed, the primary topic for "Mull". Therefore, "Isle of" is unnecessary and the article should be under the plain name of the island, as in the case of
Lewis. This will make the step of the additional redirect obsolete. It is true that there are specific situations when a term redirects to its primary meaning under a different title, which are described in
WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT; but as far as I can discern, this situation is not comparable to any of those. --Relisted.
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"The Post Office built an experimental wireless telegraph station on Meall an Inbhire near Tobermory in 1892.[29]" Is that location specifically identified? The Post Office Tobermory wireless station (GCA) is in various lists from that period but the Lat / Long is down in Tobermory. There is a photograph of it in the museum also. I understood it was around the Southern end of Argyll Terrace. Meall an Inbhire was used as an Admiralty wireless station in WWII, then became a Post Office microwave station but not seen any suggestion it dated back to the 19th Century and no evidence on site. jmb ( talk) 13:43, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved -- JHunterJ ( talk) 13:18, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
– Per WP:COMMONNAME this is the name on the Ordnance Survey. Based on concerns at Talk:Noss#Requested move 23 December 2018 and Talk:Glimps Holm#Requested move 14 January 2019 the island isn't the clear primary topic for "Mull" anyway [ [5]] since the term "Mull" since both Mull (geographical term), Mull (humus) [6] and Mulled wine have more long-term significance even though its not that likely search term for "Mull" and we don't yet have an article on the humus. While the geographical term article doesn't get many hits Mull of Kintyre which is well known gets more views than the island. The OS uses " Mull for a small place in northern Mull of Kintyre (where the lighthouse is), either this is a duplicate entry or its another small feature. As I noted at the Noss discussion the move does not contravene WP:UKPLACE because the common name of the island is "Isle of Mull" and if that was still ambiguous we would use Isle of Mull, Scotland. We moved Lewis to Isle of Lewis last year and have had Isle of Arran and Isle of Bute at those locations when "Isle of X" is on the OS (even though the same arguments about "Isle of X" appear to apply to those but not Isle of Ewe and Isle of May since only those are said to have "Isle of X" formerly). Among other sources that use "Isle of Mull" are:
To name a few, there are many others too. A search on Wikipedia for "Isle of Tiree" (which is just " Tiree" gets 30, "Isle of Jura" (which is also just " Jura" although I did change a few from "Isle of Jura" to "Jura" recently) gets 68 but "Isle of Mull" gets 541! On Google "Isle of Tiree" gets about 220,000, "Isle of Jura" gets about 1,230,000 but "Isle of Mull" gets about 2,120,000.
While I understand as noted that the English based OS might not be the best source due to not begin Scottish based the OS is still widely used in Scotland and Hamish Haswell-Smith (who's classification of an island excludes both Seil, the Uists/ Benbecula and the Isle of Skye for being bridged) who apparently says "Isle of X" is informal for most islands even gives the titles of OS maps that cover the island. For example on page 91 (for Mull) he notes 1:00000 Sheets 47, 48 and 49 and also notes for 1:25000 Sheets 373, 374 and 375. So yes I would agree that the usage of "Isle of X" would probably be informal for those that don't have "Isle of X" on the OS but the OS should at least be regarded as formal enough to at minimum constitute natural disambiguation. So yes Tiree, Coll, Colonsay and Iona aren't comparable since the OS doesn't use "Isle of X" for them and as can be seen from Google Maps, they don't have the prefix.
I think both the move to "Isle of Mull" for the island and the DAB to plain "Mull" should both take place but if not I'll provide a list of options below:
Please indicate you're options by putting A, B, C or Oppose per the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#The utility and accuracy of ranked surveys or even list you're preferred outcomes in order such as "B, A, D, C" in which "D" can be used for "Oppose".
Other notes:
This is an odd way of approaching the listing/description of settlements on Mull - by being either OS or non-OS. What's the rationale? Geopersona ( talk) 07:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Mull is the fifth, not the fourth, largest island in Great Britain: the mainland island of Great Britain, Lewis and Harris, Skye, and the Shetland mainland are all larger by area. 185.94.232.8 ( talk) 12:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)