![]() | Islamophobia in the British Conservative Party was nominated as a Social sciences and society good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (September 29, 2019). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Islamophobia in the British Conservative Party article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
While the biographies of living persons policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately. If such material is re-inserted repeatedly, or if there are other concerns related to this policy, please see this noticeboard. |
![]() | This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | It is requested that an image or photograph of Islamophobia in the British Conservative Party be
included in this article to
improve its quality. Please replace this template with a more specific
media request template where possible.
Wikipedians in the United Kingdom may be able to help! The Free Image Search Tool or Openverse Creative Commons Search may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites. |
They should be in the article once. Twice is undue. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 11:57, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
As stated in the edit summary, 4 of 18 of the sources are from 2018 and none are before 2016. This therefore seems to legitimise the existence of a recentism tag. Alssa1 ( talk) 11:51, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
While this articles does address some real issues, there is a heavy problem of misplaced political partisanship from a pro-Labour Party point of view here.
Boris Johnson has ridiculed the niqab (while still saying he is opposed to a ban), true, while Emily Thornberry of the Labour Party has said she wouldn't want a woman in Islamic dress " looking after her child". Leading Labour Party members regularly attack Britain's relationship with the Arab states of the Gulf (especially Saudi Arabia), who are Muslim and have even called for Brunei to be thrown out of the Commonwealth for adhering to Islamic law. As far as I am aware, there is no Labour equivelent of the Conservative Middle East Council which supports maintaining strong relationships between Britain and Muslim countries (Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, etc). Labour foreign policy also brought Britain into the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, conflicts criticised by many British Muslims.
Similarly, on a whole (with the exception of Gove), the views of Conservatives are closer to Muslims on issues of what children should be taught in schools regarding sexuality and gender (while Labour across the board supports the teaching of LGBT to children). There are some real issues of Islamophobia and hostility to Muslims from Tories, particularly the Israel first and some xenophobic elements, but the article as it stands is simply a political propaganda shill for the Labour Party, who also have problems. I propose a broader and more generic Islamophobia in British politics articles where we can have a more balanced approach. Ishbiliyya ( talk) 01:07, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
:::"Islamophobia" is a rhetorical nonsense word and shouldn't be used for any opposition to Islam.
Samantha Priss (
talk)
12:25, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
My edits (MWD115) I added my edits as I personally found the article a little too biased (as is mentioned it seemed to have a pro-Labour bias, and indeed pro-MCB too), so I included the section on Criticisms and Rebuttals for balance to show that non-Tory commentators and members of the Conservatives like Sajid Javid have disputed the MCB, and that the word 'Islamophobia' itself is justifiably seen as debatable, has been used to silence legitimate criticisms of Islam and that people have tried to liken it to racism and antisemitism.
I also thought adding this section seemed fair since the Antisemitism in Labour article also included and Criticisms and Rebuttals section.
What is the scope of the article? It only covers events from 2001 onwards, but the Conservative Party has existed since 1834. Either the article needs to cover events from 1834 onwards, or it needs to be retitled, justification given for the cut-off point of 2001, and the scope clarified in the lead. — Bilorv ( talk) 16:16, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
GA toolbox |
---|
Reviewing |
Reviewer: Vanamonde93 ( talk · contribs) 23:05, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
I'll take this.
Vanamonde (
Talk)
23:05, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
While I acknowledge the difficulty of the subject matter, I'm afraid this isn't up to GA standards at the moment, and the issues are serious enough that I see no purpose being served in prolonging the review. In addition to the points mentioned above, here are some concerns that should be addressed before the article is nominated again.
There are a few other concerns, about prose and formatting; but it isn't worth spending time on them at the moment, because the article requires a substantive rewrite to address the concerns I've raised here. I would recommend reaching out to one of several editors who have written GAs and FAs about British politics for assistance. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:25, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
![]() | Islamophobia in the British Conservative Party was nominated as a Social sciences and society good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (September 29, 2019). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Islamophobia in the British Conservative Party article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
While the biographies of living persons policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately. If such material is re-inserted repeatedly, or if there are other concerns related to this policy, please see this noticeboard. |
![]() | This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | It is requested that an image or photograph of Islamophobia in the British Conservative Party be
included in this article to
improve its quality. Please replace this template with a more specific
media request template where possible.
Wikipedians in the United Kingdom may be able to help! The Free Image Search Tool or Openverse Creative Commons Search may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites. |
They should be in the article once. Twice is undue. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 11:57, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
As stated in the edit summary, 4 of 18 of the sources are from 2018 and none are before 2016. This therefore seems to legitimise the existence of a recentism tag. Alssa1 ( talk) 11:51, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
While this articles does address some real issues, there is a heavy problem of misplaced political partisanship from a pro-Labour Party point of view here.
Boris Johnson has ridiculed the niqab (while still saying he is opposed to a ban), true, while Emily Thornberry of the Labour Party has said she wouldn't want a woman in Islamic dress " looking after her child". Leading Labour Party members regularly attack Britain's relationship with the Arab states of the Gulf (especially Saudi Arabia), who are Muslim and have even called for Brunei to be thrown out of the Commonwealth for adhering to Islamic law. As far as I am aware, there is no Labour equivelent of the Conservative Middle East Council which supports maintaining strong relationships between Britain and Muslim countries (Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, etc). Labour foreign policy also brought Britain into the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, conflicts criticised by many British Muslims.
Similarly, on a whole (with the exception of Gove), the views of Conservatives are closer to Muslims on issues of what children should be taught in schools regarding sexuality and gender (while Labour across the board supports the teaching of LGBT to children). There are some real issues of Islamophobia and hostility to Muslims from Tories, particularly the Israel first and some xenophobic elements, but the article as it stands is simply a political propaganda shill for the Labour Party, who also have problems. I propose a broader and more generic Islamophobia in British politics articles where we can have a more balanced approach. Ishbiliyya ( talk) 01:07, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
:::"Islamophobia" is a rhetorical nonsense word and shouldn't be used for any opposition to Islam.
Samantha Priss (
talk)
12:25, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
My edits (MWD115) I added my edits as I personally found the article a little too biased (as is mentioned it seemed to have a pro-Labour bias, and indeed pro-MCB too), so I included the section on Criticisms and Rebuttals for balance to show that non-Tory commentators and members of the Conservatives like Sajid Javid have disputed the MCB, and that the word 'Islamophobia' itself is justifiably seen as debatable, has been used to silence legitimate criticisms of Islam and that people have tried to liken it to racism and antisemitism.
I also thought adding this section seemed fair since the Antisemitism in Labour article also included and Criticisms and Rebuttals section.
What is the scope of the article? It only covers events from 2001 onwards, but the Conservative Party has existed since 1834. Either the article needs to cover events from 1834 onwards, or it needs to be retitled, justification given for the cut-off point of 2001, and the scope clarified in the lead. — Bilorv ( talk) 16:16, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
GA toolbox |
---|
Reviewing |
Reviewer: Vanamonde93 ( talk · contribs) 23:05, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
I'll take this.
Vanamonde (
Talk)
23:05, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
While I acknowledge the difficulty of the subject matter, I'm afraid this isn't up to GA standards at the moment, and the issues are serious enough that I see no purpose being served in prolonging the review. In addition to the points mentioned above, here are some concerns that should be addressed before the article is nominated again.
There are a few other concerns, about prose and formatting; but it isn't worth spending time on them at the moment, because the article requires a substantive rewrite to address the concerns I've raised here. I would recommend reaching out to one of several editors who have written GAs and FAs about British politics for assistance. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:25, 29 September 2019 (UTC)