Talk:Islamic architecture/Restructure
situated in an Islamic country, it doesn't mean it is part of Islamic Architecture. So would someone take it off before someone believe this common mistake.
--Abdullah Geelah 20:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Can we somehow discuss in slightly greater the potential problematics of the term "Islamic architecture"--for instance, why can there be "Islamic architecture" and not a "Christian architecture", or is there? ~ Dpr 05:32, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
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About a picture, some good examples would be the Alhambra palace in Spain, the Taj Mahal, Agra, India(overused but noteworthy); the Dome of the Rock, Jeruslaem; The Shah's Mosque of Isfahan, Iran; The Badshahi mosque, Lahore, Pakistan; The Great Mosque of Xi'an, China; Shalimar Gardens of Lahore, Pakistan; The Topkapi Palace, Istanbul, Turkey; The Mosque of Timbuktu, Mali. Here are a bunch of diverse examples, not all of them mosques, either.
Raja
07:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I like your list. There's quite a bit of overlap with Cropplestones which I'll reproduce below to see what wikipedia has already on the subject:-
From the beginning there seems to be some confusion as to whether general Islamic architecture is going to be discussed, or muslim cultural architecture. Then towards the end the article evolves into a discussion if mosque architecture. Architecture being such a broad word and field, either Islamic architecture needs to be discussed as a whole, with mosques a part of that whole, or this needs to be redefined as an article on mosque architecture.
Bozone 16:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Term covering a huge range of buildings and stylistic variations, but generally associated with buildings connected to the followers of Mohammed. Islamic architecture has several characteristic features, including the
pointed,
multifoil,
low,
wide,
four centred and
horseshoe arch, the
Muqarna or stalactite
corbel clasdding of coloured glazed earthenware and patterned tilework, fretted gables of stone, marble or stucco, and above all, coherent and serene geometry.
Domes,
minarets,
cloisters, and elaborate
battlements, often of the
almena typ, are commonly associated with Islamic buildings.
Islamic architecture has influenced design in the West, notably the pointed arch and
cusping in the medieval period, and the stylistic aspects of so-called
Moresque architecture in which elements of Islamic, especially
Moorish architecture (e.g. the Alhambra, Granada, Spain]] were used as part of the European enchantment with exotic oriental styles in C18 (e.g. the work of Sir
William Chambers at
Kew) and C19 (e.g.
Friedrich Ludwig Persius's house at
Potsdam (1841-2) and
George Aitchison Junior's Arab Hall in Kensington (1877-9). --
Mcginnly |
Natter
22:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
We need a mention of paradise gardens - does anyone have a plan of the Taj Mahal garden (or any other paradise garden)? -- Mcginnly | Natter 21:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the translations of islamic architecture from the Lead - I'm not sure what their purpose is and the list is rather incomplete and arbitrary - why is persian there, but not indian, malaysian, french or spanish etc - translation helps with places and names of buildings etc by giving the reader the local name should he wish to go there, but to translate the name of an architectural movement into every language in the world is not what en.wikipedia is about in my opinion.-- Mcginnly | Natter 11:57, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Abdullah Geelah 21:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
There are too many external links. Does anyone want to sort through them and remove any? Firstly remove any that may violate WP:EL -- Merbabu 06:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Mihrab is an idea created by Islamic tradition and background and has not been taken by another religion. Aziz1005 21:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC) Similar niches were found in pre-Islamic synagogue's Meowy 02:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Medieval Islamic Mosaics Used Modern Math -- Striver - talk 12:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I dont think it is correct to consider "Turkistan (Timurid) architecture" as a section on its own. That style of architecture is almost entirely part of Persian architecture's post-Islamic styles. The iwans, chahar bagh, and even dome designs are identical.-- Zereshk 00:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I don't know how to categorize this element: Alfiz. There is any Elements of Islamic Architecture category (or similar) planned?. Thanks -- Owdki talk 21:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
This section could do with a great expansion, firstly add the Burj Dubai the worlds tallest building, which is modern islamic architecture. This section could be a real jem if it was greatly expanded. links: Dubai architecture, burj dubai and so on.-- Jak3m 14:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
The article has sections on Persian, Turkish, Moorish, Chinese, African, Mamluk, Fatimid and Indian architecture, but nothing on Ummayad architecture. Some prime examples would be the Dome of the Rock, al-Aqsa Mosque and the Grand Mosque of Damascus all built by the Ummayads. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 23:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Arab League User (
talk)
23:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
--
I am gradually overhauling the other article. It, in particular in the history section, attempts to cover Islamic architecture as well, which I think it should not - for size reasons, and following our normal pattern in arts articles, and because this is here. The sections in question were mostly written by a PhD candidate on early Islamic art/architecture, also using the French FA article, & are pretty good. Much of the architectuaral stuff, which is not very long, would I think improve this article. If no one objects I will start working it in here. Or if anyone else wants to do so, please go ahead. Johnbod ( talk) 14:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I think there should be a section about mosques without domes. People outside of the Islamic world still relate stereotypical mosques (or other relevant Islamic architectures) with domes. Komitsuki ( talk) 15:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
no reference to the fact that was more islamic drinking water facilities such as: Sebil and Well House. פארוק ( talk) 13:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
All the monument which are shown in this artical is native to that area and largely it is parsian or indian architecture.what is Arubic there.just because the monument which are mention in this site where made by people who where muslim it called islamic artitucture is there eny site where i can find Arab architecture.It is very funny that if a mosque is made in china by a chanies muslim than it become islamic architecture.It is like a arub bulild a house in US and it will become islamic architecture.-- 59.162.59.66 ( talk) 13:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
The large History section at the beginning is mostly a description of "Arabic architecture", rather than being a true section on history. Large chunks of this text should be under a separate section of: "Arabic style" or "Mamluk style", and not history, as it gives the novice reader the impression that the history of Islamic architecture is synonymous with Arabic architecture.
-- mghotbi_85 ( talk) 04:10, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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The two links to Archnet listed above under "*Added Archive" are still available, but with new URLs. Archnet was redesigned in 2013, so links were changed. https://web.archive.org/web/20040624170747/http://archnet.org/library/pubdownloader/pdf/3588/doc/dpt0810.pdf to and http://archnet.org/library/pubdownloader/pdf/3588/doc/dpt0810.pdf is now at http://archnet.org/publications/4121 and https://web.archive.org/web/20110629172823/https://archnet.org/library/dictionary/entry.jsp?entry_id=DIA0502 to https://archnet.org/library/dictionary/entry.jsp?entry_id=DIA0502 is now at http://archnet.org/publications/8806
It probably doesn't matter, since both archived links are available, but the new pages are much better linked within Archnet. I won't change these because I am the Content Manager of Archnet, and don't want to violate a conflict of interest policy. Mikeyat ( talk) 16:02, 20 January 2020 (UTC)Mikeyat
The etymology section is just a copy paste of an oped by random columnist from some Persian newspaper. That itself is already telling about it’s verifiability, undue weight issue etc but how come the use of the words such as “we” or phrases “can be considered as an end to this discussion” have been tolerated? Wikipedia is not a personal blog, but seems like nobody cares about the decay of Islam related articles. JahlilMA ( talk) 17:31, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Talk:Islamic architecture/Restructure
situated in an Islamic country, it doesn't mean it is part of Islamic Architecture. So would someone take it off before someone believe this common mistake.
--Abdullah Geelah 20:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Can we somehow discuss in slightly greater the potential problematics of the term "Islamic architecture"--for instance, why can there be "Islamic architecture" and not a "Christian architecture", or is there? ~ Dpr 05:32, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Architecture of Africa is currently nominated on Wikipedia:Article Improvement Drive. Come to this page and support it with your vote. Help us improve this article to featured status.-- Fenice 08:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
About a picture, some good examples would be the Alhambra palace in Spain, the Taj Mahal, Agra, India(overused but noteworthy); the Dome of the Rock, Jeruslaem; The Shah's Mosque of Isfahan, Iran; The Badshahi mosque, Lahore, Pakistan; The Great Mosque of Xi'an, China; Shalimar Gardens of Lahore, Pakistan; The Topkapi Palace, Istanbul, Turkey; The Mosque of Timbuktu, Mali. Here are a bunch of diverse examples, not all of them mosques, either.
Raja
07:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I like your list. There's quite a bit of overlap with Cropplestones which I'll reproduce below to see what wikipedia has already on the subject:-
From the beginning there seems to be some confusion as to whether general Islamic architecture is going to be discussed, or muslim cultural architecture. Then towards the end the article evolves into a discussion if mosque architecture. Architecture being such a broad word and field, either Islamic architecture needs to be discussed as a whole, with mosques a part of that whole, or this needs to be redefined as an article on mosque architecture.
Bozone 16:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Term covering a huge range of buildings and stylistic variations, but generally associated with buildings connected to the followers of Mohammed. Islamic architecture has several characteristic features, including the
pointed,
multifoil,
low,
wide,
four centred and
horseshoe arch, the
Muqarna or stalactite
corbel clasdding of coloured glazed earthenware and patterned tilework, fretted gables of stone, marble or stucco, and above all, coherent and serene geometry.
Domes,
minarets,
cloisters, and elaborate
battlements, often of the
almena typ, are commonly associated with Islamic buildings.
Islamic architecture has influenced design in the West, notably the pointed arch and
cusping in the medieval period, and the stylistic aspects of so-called
Moresque architecture in which elements of Islamic, especially
Moorish architecture (e.g. the Alhambra, Granada, Spain]] were used as part of the European enchantment with exotic oriental styles in C18 (e.g. the work of Sir
William Chambers at
Kew) and C19 (e.g.
Friedrich Ludwig Persius's house at
Potsdam (1841-2) and
George Aitchison Junior's Arab Hall in Kensington (1877-9). --
Mcginnly |
Natter
22:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
We need a mention of paradise gardens - does anyone have a plan of the Taj Mahal garden (or any other paradise garden)? -- Mcginnly | Natter 21:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the translations of islamic architecture from the Lead - I'm not sure what their purpose is and the list is rather incomplete and arbitrary - why is persian there, but not indian, malaysian, french or spanish etc - translation helps with places and names of buildings etc by giving the reader the local name should he wish to go there, but to translate the name of an architectural movement into every language in the world is not what en.wikipedia is about in my opinion.-- Mcginnly | Natter 11:57, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Abdullah Geelah 21:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
There are too many external links. Does anyone want to sort through them and remove any? Firstly remove any that may violate WP:EL -- Merbabu 06:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Mihrab is an idea created by Islamic tradition and background and has not been taken by another religion. Aziz1005 21:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC) Similar niches were found in pre-Islamic synagogue's Meowy 02:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Medieval Islamic Mosaics Used Modern Math -- Striver - talk 12:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I dont think it is correct to consider "Turkistan (Timurid) architecture" as a section on its own. That style of architecture is almost entirely part of Persian architecture's post-Islamic styles. The iwans, chahar bagh, and even dome designs are identical.-- Zereshk 00:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I don't know how to categorize this element: Alfiz. There is any Elements of Islamic Architecture category (or similar) planned?. Thanks -- Owdki talk 21:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
This section could do with a great expansion, firstly add the Burj Dubai the worlds tallest building, which is modern islamic architecture. This section could be a real jem if it was greatly expanded. links: Dubai architecture, burj dubai and so on.-- Jak3m 14:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
The article has sections on Persian, Turkish, Moorish, Chinese, African, Mamluk, Fatimid and Indian architecture, but nothing on Ummayad architecture. Some prime examples would be the Dome of the Rock, al-Aqsa Mosque and the Grand Mosque of Damascus all built by the Ummayads. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 23:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Arab League User (
talk)
23:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
--
I am gradually overhauling the other article. It, in particular in the history section, attempts to cover Islamic architecture as well, which I think it should not - for size reasons, and following our normal pattern in arts articles, and because this is here. The sections in question were mostly written by a PhD candidate on early Islamic art/architecture, also using the French FA article, & are pretty good. Much of the architectuaral stuff, which is not very long, would I think improve this article. If no one objects I will start working it in here. Or if anyone else wants to do so, please go ahead. Johnbod ( talk) 14:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I think there should be a section about mosques without domes. People outside of the Islamic world still relate stereotypical mosques (or other relevant Islamic architectures) with domes. Komitsuki ( talk) 15:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
no reference to the fact that was more islamic drinking water facilities such as: Sebil and Well House. פארוק ( talk) 13:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
All the monument which are shown in this artical is native to that area and largely it is parsian or indian architecture.what is Arubic there.just because the monument which are mention in this site where made by people who where muslim it called islamic artitucture is there eny site where i can find Arab architecture.It is very funny that if a mosque is made in china by a chanies muslim than it become islamic architecture.It is like a arub bulild a house in US and it will become islamic architecture.-- 59.162.59.66 ( talk) 13:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
The large History section at the beginning is mostly a description of "Arabic architecture", rather than being a true section on history. Large chunks of this text should be under a separate section of: "Arabic style" or "Mamluk style", and not history, as it gives the novice reader the impression that the history of Islamic architecture is synonymous with Arabic architecture.
-- mghotbi_85 ( talk) 04:10, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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The two links to Archnet listed above under "*Added Archive" are still available, but with new URLs. Archnet was redesigned in 2013, so links were changed. https://web.archive.org/web/20040624170747/http://archnet.org/library/pubdownloader/pdf/3588/doc/dpt0810.pdf to and http://archnet.org/library/pubdownloader/pdf/3588/doc/dpt0810.pdf is now at http://archnet.org/publications/4121 and https://web.archive.org/web/20110629172823/https://archnet.org/library/dictionary/entry.jsp?entry_id=DIA0502 to https://archnet.org/library/dictionary/entry.jsp?entry_id=DIA0502 is now at http://archnet.org/publications/8806
It probably doesn't matter, since both archived links are available, but the new pages are much better linked within Archnet. I won't change these because I am the Content Manager of Archnet, and don't want to violate a conflict of interest policy. Mikeyat ( talk) 16:02, 20 January 2020 (UTC)Mikeyat
The etymology section is just a copy paste of an oped by random columnist from some Persian newspaper. That itself is already telling about it’s verifiability, undue weight issue etc but how come the use of the words such as “we” or phrases “can be considered as an end to this discussion” have been tolerated? Wikipedia is not a personal blog, but seems like nobody cares about the decay of Islam related articles. JahlilMA ( talk) 17:31, 29 January 2018 (UTC)