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let me explain the creation of this page. I do not agree with the redirect of this to Nation of Islam, so I created this article instead. -- Revolución ( talk) 07:41, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I have moved the redirect because I think there is enough to merit a different non-NOI "Black Muslim" page, especially with the late Yusuf Bey in the news so much. I don't know how best to categorize this article. Any attention from someone who knows more than I do would be great. Ben-w 20:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
This article is certainly needed. This article deals with Black Muslims as a whole. "Who are Black Muslims?" is the best question to address with the article.-- JuanMuslim 1m 16:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Ehm, what about an explanation for why black Americans turn to Islam, a religion they have absolutely nothing to do with?
because they were muslim when they were brought over from africa, as slaves! before they were forced to convert to xianity! returning to ROOTS!
BTW are you as curious about why people who have nothing to do w/ xianity convert to that religion?
Keith Ellison is from Minnesota, not Michigan. Someone more involved than I should verify and change this detail.
No slavery in Islam? My friend, you surely do not know much about early Islamic history! see:
-- lit
And: Is there really NO racism in Islam? 213.196.243.65 18:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)-- (a curious white, though NOT a christian!)
Racism in Islam? No such thing. Many Islamic prophets were blacks. In Islam people are not judged on the colour of the skin. However people that follow Islam could be racist, this does not mean that Islam is a religion that permits or teaches this. Its really a stupid question, its like asking an alien whether humans are racist or not, the answer is yes, some are but they can be of any religion, and be of any colour. Some Muslims are racist, some Christians are racist, some Jews are racist, etc etc, and there is no faith that accepts racism and there is no faith that does not have racist followers (there are always a few bad eggs). As i said before the religion in not racist, people are.—Preceding
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there alot more black muslims in america this the ones listed, i listed half a dozen of the top of my head, a couple of hours ago, why has some deleted them.
Muhammad Ali, Professional Boxer
Chamillionaire, Rapper
Rasaq, Rapper
Karim Abdul-Jabbar, Professional NFL football
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Professional basketball player/Coach
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Professional basketball player
Muhsin Muhammad, American football player
Michael Jackson, American musician
Jermaine Jackson, Former member of The Jackson 5 and brother of American pop stars Michael Jackson
Black Muslims can come from alparts of the world, not just America!! so why is there only talk on NOI and African Americans. Rubbish page
For the purpose of making this article less US-centric and more globel, I am considering removing the African American template. Any objections?-- Sefringle Talk 04:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Wallace Fard Muhammad who started the NOI was Eurpoean, so why would he preach against whites?
Is NOI a relgion or a 'cultural movement"?
If it is a religion, where do thier core belifes stem from? In other words, what religion is it most comonly linked to?
Does the NOI take any offical stand on Yakub? If so, what is it?
I understand for the need for the NOI in the 50's and 60's but now a days people are more focused on teaching and preaching about tolerence, so why does all the NOI information still seem anti-white? (I am not so naive to belive everyone is tolerent, what i mean is that it's gotten better since the 50's)
Please outline as much information as you, in a clear matter, because i am finding everything on the NOI very contradicting & i am looking to learn more
Police raid bakery investigated by slain editor Officials nab 19; operation reportedly connected to Oakland killing. Is this relevant to the article? 208.203.4.140 21:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking for some help on improving this article. The article needs to be globalized and referenced. And depending on what we get from various places it may need to be split into multiple articles. Thanks for anyone who can offer any help. CJ 19:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Great idea, but I think it may be the wrong title. The African diaspora is the forced dispersal of Africans from Africa, but many (most?) Black Muslims live in Africa, a fact this article seems to acknowledge — unless Islam in the African Diaspora#Spread of Islam in Africa is intended solely as historical background.
Also, just to pick nits, "diaspora" in the title shouldn't be capitalized.
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Should we really create a list of such Muslims. We already have tens, and we may end up with about a hundred (maybe more) such persons. Shouldn't this article give meaningful coverage to the history and culture of black Muslims?
A second problem is the inclusion of NOI persons in this list. Fard Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad may not be considered Muslims by mainstream scholars, because they claimed to be God and prophet respectively. [1] Bless sins 01:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
How's Bilal Ibn Rabah a Shia Muslim? 87.213.42.195 ( talk) 13:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I reverted an editor just because the edit had messed up the formatting and now trying to add some names I've messed it up myself. Sorry, and I'm going to ask for help with this. Itsmejudith 08:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
An earlier post mentioned both Jermaine and Michael Jackson. Jermaine I was aware of from his appearance on the Celebrity Big Brother reality TV show in the UK, but that is obviously not an adequate source. And is there a source for Michael? Itsmejudith 21:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Not a single Muslim on the face of the earth, be they Sunni, Shi'ite, or otherwise, would agree that this bizarre American cult is in any way, shape, or form Islamic. I suggest that all inferences otherwise be removed from this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.18.122 ( talk) 20:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The article doesn't match the title. By definition, Africans in Africa are not the diaspora. So, the section "Islamic heritage in Africa" is pretty useless. The only non-African area covered, is the U.S.. Islam is obviously a global religion, and the African diaspora portion isn't special. Even if we need an article for Muslims of African decent, why split the diaspora off? The redirect Black Muslims should return to Nation of Islam, as that's the one group it's been used consistently to refer to (we can then, mention there any offshoot). The section "List of notable Muslims in the African diaspora" should be eliminated, or made a separate article. The fact the list is almost exclusively American, shows it probably can't be fully maintained. In general this article can never be much good, as it splits related things, and merges unrelated things. -- Rob ( talk) 03:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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let me explain the creation of this page. I do not agree with the redirect of this to Nation of Islam, so I created this article instead. -- Revolución ( talk) 07:41, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I have moved the redirect because I think there is enough to merit a different non-NOI "Black Muslim" page, especially with the late Yusuf Bey in the news so much. I don't know how best to categorize this article. Any attention from someone who knows more than I do would be great. Ben-w 20:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
This article is certainly needed. This article deals with Black Muslims as a whole. "Who are Black Muslims?" is the best question to address with the article.-- JuanMuslim 1m 16:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Ehm, what about an explanation for why black Americans turn to Islam, a religion they have absolutely nothing to do with?
because they were muslim when they were brought over from africa, as slaves! before they were forced to convert to xianity! returning to ROOTS!
BTW are you as curious about why people who have nothing to do w/ xianity convert to that religion?
Keith Ellison is from Minnesota, not Michigan. Someone more involved than I should verify and change this detail.
No slavery in Islam? My friend, you surely do not know much about early Islamic history! see:
-- lit
And: Is there really NO racism in Islam? 213.196.243.65 18:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)-- (a curious white, though NOT a christian!)
Racism in Islam? No such thing. Many Islamic prophets were blacks. In Islam people are not judged on the colour of the skin. However people that follow Islam could be racist, this does not mean that Islam is a religion that permits or teaches this. Its really a stupid question, its like asking an alien whether humans are racist or not, the answer is yes, some are but they can be of any religion, and be of any colour. Some Muslims are racist, some Christians are racist, some Jews are racist, etc etc, and there is no faith that accepts racism and there is no faith that does not have racist followers (there are always a few bad eggs). As i said before the religion in not racist, people are.—Preceding
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86.154.84.44 (
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there alot more black muslims in america this the ones listed, i listed half a dozen of the top of my head, a couple of hours ago, why has some deleted them.
Muhammad Ali, Professional Boxer
Chamillionaire, Rapper
Rasaq, Rapper
Karim Abdul-Jabbar, Professional NFL football
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Professional basketball player/Coach
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Professional basketball player
Muhsin Muhammad, American football player
Michael Jackson, American musician
Jermaine Jackson, Former member of The Jackson 5 and brother of American pop stars Michael Jackson
Black Muslims can come from alparts of the world, not just America!! so why is there only talk on NOI and African Americans. Rubbish page
For the purpose of making this article less US-centric and more globel, I am considering removing the African American template. Any objections?-- Sefringle Talk 04:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Wallace Fard Muhammad who started the NOI was Eurpoean, so why would he preach against whites?
Is NOI a relgion or a 'cultural movement"?
If it is a religion, where do thier core belifes stem from? In other words, what religion is it most comonly linked to?
Does the NOI take any offical stand on Yakub? If so, what is it?
I understand for the need for the NOI in the 50's and 60's but now a days people are more focused on teaching and preaching about tolerence, so why does all the NOI information still seem anti-white? (I am not so naive to belive everyone is tolerent, what i mean is that it's gotten better since the 50's)
Please outline as much information as you, in a clear matter, because i am finding everything on the NOI very contradicting & i am looking to learn more
Police raid bakery investigated by slain editor Officials nab 19; operation reportedly connected to Oakland killing. Is this relevant to the article? 208.203.4.140 21:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking for some help on improving this article. The article needs to be globalized and referenced. And depending on what we get from various places it may need to be split into multiple articles. Thanks for anyone who can offer any help. CJ 19:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Great idea, but I think it may be the wrong title. The African diaspora is the forced dispersal of Africans from Africa, but many (most?) Black Muslims live in Africa, a fact this article seems to acknowledge — unless Islam in the African Diaspora#Spread of Islam in Africa is intended solely as historical background.
Also, just to pick nits, "diaspora" in the title shouldn't be capitalized.
—
Malik Shabazz (
Talk |
contribs)
19:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Should we really create a list of such Muslims. We already have tens, and we may end up with about a hundred (maybe more) such persons. Shouldn't this article give meaningful coverage to the history and culture of black Muslims?
A second problem is the inclusion of NOI persons in this list. Fard Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad may not be considered Muslims by mainstream scholars, because they claimed to be God and prophet respectively. [1] Bless sins 01:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
How's Bilal Ibn Rabah a Shia Muslim? 87.213.42.195 ( talk) 13:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I reverted an editor just because the edit had messed up the formatting and now trying to add some names I've messed it up myself. Sorry, and I'm going to ask for help with this. Itsmejudith 08:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
An earlier post mentioned both Jermaine and Michael Jackson. Jermaine I was aware of from his appearance on the Celebrity Big Brother reality TV show in the UK, but that is obviously not an adequate source. And is there a source for Michael? Itsmejudith 21:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Not a single Muslim on the face of the earth, be they Sunni, Shi'ite, or otherwise, would agree that this bizarre American cult is in any way, shape, or form Islamic. I suggest that all inferences otherwise be removed from this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.18.122 ( talk) 20:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The article doesn't match the title. By definition, Africans in Africa are not the diaspora. So, the section "Islamic heritage in Africa" is pretty useless. The only non-African area covered, is the U.S.. Islam is obviously a global religion, and the African diaspora portion isn't special. Even if we need an article for Muslims of African decent, why split the diaspora off? The redirect Black Muslims should return to Nation of Islam, as that's the one group it's been used consistently to refer to (we can then, mention there any offshoot). The section "List of notable Muslims in the African diaspora" should be eliminated, or made a separate article. The fact the list is almost exclusively American, shows it probably can't be fully maintained. In general this article can never be much good, as it splits related things, and merges unrelated things. -- Rob ( talk) 03:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 30 August 2023 and 14 December 2023. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
6lacrosse (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
Eshafer68.
— Assignment last updated by Eshafer68 ( talk) 18:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)