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In Latin Patriarch of Constantinople there is a sequence as follows:
where there appears to be a problem:
Here, in
Isidore the Apostate is mentioned:
"In 1458, he was ordained as a nominal Patriarch of Constantinople."
Which one is wrong?
(this discussion is replicated in Talk:Latin Patriarch of Constantinople).
-- FocalPoint 10:37, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
found from Johannes Bessarion that he obtained the title in 1463, therefore Isidore of Kiev was inserted to the list.-- FocalPoint 20:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
It is offensive to Catholics both of the Roman and of the Byzantine Rite to have Isidore listed as "the Apostate." This may be his title among the Eastern schismatics, but it is not how he is known among Catholics. This is like having Martin Luther and John Calvin called "Heresiarch" in the titles of their respective articles (which I actually would enjoy). At least you could say that he is an "apostate" only from the point of view of the so-called "Eastern Orthodox."
No, I have no reason to doubt your familiarity with the scholarship. Thanks for your explanation. Rest assured that if you propsed the moved and explained like above, no one would have objected. Anyway, let's just stick to the tradition of discussing the moves. Thanks for your interest to the Easterm Christianity topics. Cheers, -- Irpen 08:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Clearly, Isidore of Thessalonica and Isidore of Kiev are two articles covering the same topic. They should be merged. Gentgeen ( talk) 09:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Metropolitan of Moscow and Metropolitan in Moscow are two different things. Metropolitan of Moscow was created in 1589, while Isidore was sent to Moscow in 1437. Where is consistency?? Maybe he was sent to Moscow to preserve his Metropolitan of Kiev title, was he? Aleksandr Grigoryev ( talk) 19:11, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
"The Grand Duchy of Moscow[a 1] princes denounced the union with Rome, but Isidore persisted."
Are you sure you mean "denounced" here, rather than "renounced"?
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In Latin Patriarch of Constantinople there is a sequence as follows:
where there appears to be a problem:
Here, in
Isidore the Apostate is mentioned:
"In 1458, he was ordained as a nominal Patriarch of Constantinople."
Which one is wrong?
(this discussion is replicated in Talk:Latin Patriarch of Constantinople).
-- FocalPoint 10:37, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
found from Johannes Bessarion that he obtained the title in 1463, therefore Isidore of Kiev was inserted to the list.-- FocalPoint 20:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
It is offensive to Catholics both of the Roman and of the Byzantine Rite to have Isidore listed as "the Apostate." This may be his title among the Eastern schismatics, but it is not how he is known among Catholics. This is like having Martin Luther and John Calvin called "Heresiarch" in the titles of their respective articles (which I actually would enjoy). At least you could say that he is an "apostate" only from the point of view of the so-called "Eastern Orthodox."
No, I have no reason to doubt your familiarity with the scholarship. Thanks for your explanation. Rest assured that if you propsed the moved and explained like above, no one would have objected. Anyway, let's just stick to the tradition of discussing the moves. Thanks for your interest to the Easterm Christianity topics. Cheers, -- Irpen 08:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Clearly, Isidore of Thessalonica and Isidore of Kiev are two articles covering the same topic. They should be merged. Gentgeen ( talk) 09:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Metropolitan of Moscow and Metropolitan in Moscow are two different things. Metropolitan of Moscow was created in 1589, while Isidore was sent to Moscow in 1437. Where is consistency?? Maybe he was sent to Moscow to preserve his Metropolitan of Kiev title, was he? Aleksandr Grigoryev ( talk) 19:11, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
"The Grand Duchy of Moscow[a 1] princes denounced the union with Rome, but Isidore persisted."
Are you sure you mean "denounced" here, rather than "renounced"?