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On 4 February 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Ishrat Jahan case to Ishrat Jahan encounter killing. The result of the discussion was moved. |
please discuss proposed changes here.
-- vvarkey ( talk) 06:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
http://www.pucl.org/ seems to be politically biased website. It cannot be considered as an authentic reference due to its affiliation and information which is a polotical opinion without citing any research, news article. Hence by making this website as a reference, it will curtail the fact and genuinity of the article. by the way. Ignornat people are using Wikipedia's misinformation on this page to discuss the recent finding of the Special Investigation Team that [this was a cold blooded murder on Times of India website http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Ishrat-Jahan-encounter-fake-says-SIT-report/articleshow/10816072.cms]
Ok.. Lets forget what prashant said, lets forget who was Ishrat Jehan. Lets talk about who were those two peoples died with ishrat jehan. as per wikipedia, I beleve they were pakistani nationals. What she was doing with those 2 peoples. Secondly acording to her mother, she was discussing about put an end to their financial problem, from where the money was coming. A 19yr old girl, going to pune to work with, where office were not yet setup. Before she was assassinated she was in Nasik, and a new person came to pick her up. Some stories says, gujrat police picked them from mumbai, why a team of police came to mumbai to pick some one specific. After reading the whole theory in wikipedia and other articles, I found something fishy. If all these theories are correct, I will give benefit of doubt to the police who killed. If these are wrong, then there are lot many truths are yet to come.
Raj (Bangalore) replies to bidhu 21 Nov, 2011 08:04 PM Reas the report! Encounter occured in the previous night and all of them were dumped together in a car.
India (India) replies to bidhu
21 Nov, 2011 07:45 PM
But the question is, who should decide if they were terrorists or not. Had this been police, we would have seen another pakistan in place of India.
bidhu replies to India 21 Nov, 2011 08:10 PM SIT itself. why not. If SIT can say Ishrat jehan was killed in a fake encounter, then SIT has to tell us the identities of the her 2 fellow passengers. This was clear that, there were 3 peoples killed, why no one is asking about other 2 peoples. They were also humen beings. If they were from any radical group or any terorists, then I must ask what ishrat jehan was doing with them. No metter whats your religion is, if you are doing any crime or has a motive and planning to do, you should be tried in the court of law and get appropriate punishment.
Raj (Bangalore) replies to bidhu 21 Nov, 2011 07:41 PM Yes, there so many hidden truths in the state of Gujarat that no one believe that they occured in the past 9 years. One by one and all of them will come out in the next one or two years. Once they come out, it will set fire on butts of those who are ruling there.
Samastipura ( talk) 23:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC) Please don't put up your political opinions here (Raj, Bangalore). Better to air them with the political people. The PUCL and its website cannot be made as a reference since it is not a news site, nor a news agency. It is a politically motivated and biased group having its own propoganda, which air its political opinion on its website. This cannot be put up in this article to maintain the truthfulness of this article. Terms like "they say" also cannot be taken as a part of this article, when "they" are carrying on with a propoganda. [1]
The result of the move request was: Moved to Death of Ishrat Jahan. The circumstances of her death are still being debated in the legal system, so the title of our article should not prejudge who is right. In any case 'fake encounter' is a tautology because 'encounter' already has the meaning of a killing staged by police. It is possible that discussion about the title may continue, but at least this puts the article at a neutral title in the mean time. Two people objected to the regional word 'encounter' since Wikipedia has a world-wide audience. EdJohnston ( talk) 02:21, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Ishrat Jahan fake encounter case →
Ishrat Jahan encounter ''or'' Ishrat Jahan – the word "fake" is creates a biased statement of the article, as the issue is under legal proceedings and nothing concrete is coming out. its politically coined word does not fit to the WP:NPOV. Unless and until it is proved, no offensive word supposed to be used, which may tile the public opinion. sensitive issues of specific geography supposed to be taken care. --Relisted. --
tariqabjotu 00:48, 29 June 2013 (UTC) --Relisted.
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The result of the move request was: move. -- tariqabjotu 13:29, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Death of Ishrat Jahan → Ishrat Jahan case – Two reasons. First, per WP:UCN the encounter is not known by this name. A mere 41,000 results for this title most of which don't use this phrase as a tile but merely contain the words strung together inside the article. [3]. Second, the story is about the death of four people, not just about Ishrat Jahan. Her particular death has merely become a handy description of the encounter. The proposed title, Ishrat Jahan case comes up with over 14 million hits, a large proportion of which explicitly use this as a title so it satisfies WP:UCN. It also clarifies that the article is about a case or encounter rather than about her death. And, finally, it should satisfy the neutrality concerns that prompted the previous move. --Relisted. -- tariqabjotu 17:03, 11 August 2013 (UTC) --Relisted. -- tariqabjotu 07:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC) regentspark ( comment) 15:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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On 4 February 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Ishrat Jahan case to Ishrat Jahan encounter killing. The result of the discussion was moved. |
please discuss proposed changes here.
-- vvarkey ( talk) 06:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
http://www.pucl.org/ seems to be politically biased website. It cannot be considered as an authentic reference due to its affiliation and information which is a polotical opinion without citing any research, news article. Hence by making this website as a reference, it will curtail the fact and genuinity of the article. by the way. Ignornat people are using Wikipedia's misinformation on this page to discuss the recent finding of the Special Investigation Team that [this was a cold blooded murder on Times of India website http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Ishrat-Jahan-encounter-fake-says-SIT-report/articleshow/10816072.cms]
Ok.. Lets forget what prashant said, lets forget who was Ishrat Jehan. Lets talk about who were those two peoples died with ishrat jehan. as per wikipedia, I beleve they were pakistani nationals. What she was doing with those 2 peoples. Secondly acording to her mother, she was discussing about put an end to their financial problem, from where the money was coming. A 19yr old girl, going to pune to work with, where office were not yet setup. Before she was assassinated she was in Nasik, and a new person came to pick her up. Some stories says, gujrat police picked them from mumbai, why a team of police came to mumbai to pick some one specific. After reading the whole theory in wikipedia and other articles, I found something fishy. If all these theories are correct, I will give benefit of doubt to the police who killed. If these are wrong, then there are lot many truths are yet to come.
Raj (Bangalore) replies to bidhu 21 Nov, 2011 08:04 PM Reas the report! Encounter occured in the previous night and all of them were dumped together in a car.
India (India) replies to bidhu
21 Nov, 2011 07:45 PM
But the question is, who should decide if they were terrorists or not. Had this been police, we would have seen another pakistan in place of India.
bidhu replies to India 21 Nov, 2011 08:10 PM SIT itself. why not. If SIT can say Ishrat jehan was killed in a fake encounter, then SIT has to tell us the identities of the her 2 fellow passengers. This was clear that, there were 3 peoples killed, why no one is asking about other 2 peoples. They were also humen beings. If they were from any radical group or any terorists, then I must ask what ishrat jehan was doing with them. No metter whats your religion is, if you are doing any crime or has a motive and planning to do, you should be tried in the court of law and get appropriate punishment.
Raj (Bangalore) replies to bidhu 21 Nov, 2011 07:41 PM Yes, there so many hidden truths in the state of Gujarat that no one believe that they occured in the past 9 years. One by one and all of them will come out in the next one or two years. Once they come out, it will set fire on butts of those who are ruling there.
Samastipura ( talk) 23:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC) Please don't put up your political opinions here (Raj, Bangalore). Better to air them with the political people. The PUCL and its website cannot be made as a reference since it is not a news site, nor a news agency. It is a politically motivated and biased group having its own propoganda, which air its political opinion on its website. This cannot be put up in this article to maintain the truthfulness of this article. Terms like "they say" also cannot be taken as a part of this article, when "they" are carrying on with a propoganda. [1]
The result of the move request was: Moved to Death of Ishrat Jahan. The circumstances of her death are still being debated in the legal system, so the title of our article should not prejudge who is right. In any case 'fake encounter' is a tautology because 'encounter' already has the meaning of a killing staged by police. It is possible that discussion about the title may continue, but at least this puts the article at a neutral title in the mean time. Two people objected to the regional word 'encounter' since Wikipedia has a world-wide audience. EdJohnston ( talk) 02:21, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Ishrat Jahan fake encounter case →
Ishrat Jahan encounter ''or'' Ishrat Jahan – the word "fake" is creates a biased statement of the article, as the issue is under legal proceedings and nothing concrete is coming out. its politically coined word does not fit to the WP:NPOV. Unless and until it is proved, no offensive word supposed to be used, which may tile the public opinion. sensitive issues of specific geography supposed to be taken care. --Relisted. --
tariqabjotu 00:48, 29 June 2013 (UTC) --Relisted.
jcc (
tea and biscuits) 19:58, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Bheemsinh (
talk) 13:08, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
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Wikipedia's policy on article titles.I find that the image in this article is offensive. I am not sure what other thinks about it. I do not know what is policy of wikipedia regarding offensive images. I would request other experienced editors to give a thought about it and to remove the image if rules / guidelines says so. Thanks -- Abhijeet Safai ( talk) 10:14, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move. -- tariqabjotu 13:29, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Death of Ishrat Jahan → Ishrat Jahan case – Two reasons. First, per WP:UCN the encounter is not known by this name. A mere 41,000 results for this title most of which don't use this phrase as a tile but merely contain the words strung together inside the article. [3]. Second, the story is about the death of four people, not just about Ishrat Jahan. Her particular death has merely become a handy description of the encounter. The proposed title, Ishrat Jahan case comes up with over 14 million hits, a large proportion of which explicitly use this as a title so it satisfies WP:UCN. It also clarifies that the article is about a case or encounter rather than about her death. And, finally, it should satisfy the neutrality concerns that prompted the previous move. --Relisted. -- tariqabjotu 17:03, 11 August 2013 (UTC) --Relisted. -- tariqabjotu 07:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC) regentspark ( comment) 15:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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