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Should this article not be called the Isha Upanishad, for consistency with the others, and because it is the most common name? And Isha itself is more common that Isha Upanishad. Imc 09:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I've just put the merge tags on as suggested by Profvk on Talk:Sri Isopanisad, but I know nothing about this subject (I found Sri Isopanisad when someone slapped a {{ catneeded}} tag on), so I make no real comment on whether this is an appropriate merge or not. Feel very free to remove the tags if it's not. Cheers -- Pak21 09:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I am merging the two articles, and tried to cleanup the more blatant essayish parts. Still needs major cleanup, particularly attribution of interpretations and translations. dab (ᛏ) 11:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
More meanings should be given for the first verse. Though Sanskrit has such an excellent grammer and it has such a wonderful etymology, still for some reason the simplest meaning of this verse as understood literally by anyone knowing sanskrit is not what is given in article. For someone knowing a bit of sanskrit the meaning is much straightforward. The meaning of verse is more like "All that you have in this universe is a place/abode of God (or part of God); so use it (or enjoy it) with a sense of detachment/renouncement (don't know the actual word in english, other wise the meaning is "use it with a sense of detachment+renoucement")
Image:Ishaupanishad.jpg Redheylin ( talk) 17:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia articles are based on scholarly literature (secondary sources), but may also include references to primary sources. It is important not to confuse the two. Osho is a primary source for anything concerning Osho. G. Flood is a secondary source in his field of expertise. Regardless of the origin of the translation, it isn't desirable to clutter articles with cheesy images. dab (𒁳) 17:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Redheylin: If Osho, whether I agree with his views or not, were well regarded as an academic authority on Vedic literature or acknowledged as an exponent of a respected tradition, I think he would be a fitting source for an encyclopedia article on this topic to quote.
Cordially, O Govinda ( talk) 18:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
re the request to "please refer me to details of wiki policy on 'cheesiness'", see WP:ENC. We can cover cheesy artwork in articles about cheesy artwork, if at all notable. Self-made cheesy art lacks all notability unless and until you get some major media coverage of your work. See also the UE rationale for image deletion at WP:IFD. You are free to use Image:Ishaupanishad.jpg in your userspace. If you have no intention of doing so, the image should probably be deleted as unencyclopedic. Furthermore, I find it highly dubious to translate "Purusha" with "cosmic spirit", and to quote verse 16 partially, without making clear that the "thou" there refers to the Sun. The Swami Paramananda translation has "O Sun ... The Purusha (Effulgent Being) who dwells within Thee, I am He". You make this "That cosmic spirit which lies at thy heart ... I myself am that", photoshopped together with some anthropomorphic statue losing all indication that this is about the subject identifying his own Self with that of the Sun. dab (𒁳) 08:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
my comments are "original research"? They are comments, properly placed on at talkpage. I am not sure what my "views" are supposed to be, and how they are "Mullerian". I pointed out why there is no way you can clutter article space with your private collages, that's all. Find an encyclopedic image related to the topic, and it will be fine. So the "Vedanta anthropomorphises"? Is that a fact now? Last time I checked, Vedanta was strong on mysticism. dab (𒁳) 15:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Literally: "all this (idam sarvam) covered by the Lord (Isavasyam), whatsoever, (yat kiñcha) the created world (jagatyam jagat). What is given (tena tyaktena) do enjoy (bhuñjitha), do not covet (ma grdhah) anyone else's (kasya svid) wealth (dhanam). [1]
I have removed the above as I am unhappy about its reliability but I dont have access to a good Sct dictionary at the moment. My doubts centre around "kiñcha jagatyam jagat tena tyaktena" If DB or anybody has a good quality source from which we might render this with a grammatical analysis? Redheylin ( talk) 14:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Note our pada article. You might as well say that "Upanishad" is not English. Doh. Redheylin, I am not interested in your opinions or elaborations of them. If you find an encyclopedic image illustrating "Ishvara", feel free to include it at Ishvara, preferably before ruining it with a graphics editor beforehand. If you have a problem with kiñca, kindly place a citation request. Or feel free to look up kim and ca in a dictionary. dab (𒁳) 16:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
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Literally: "all this (idaṃ sarvaṃ) covered by the Lord (īśā vāsyam), whatsoever, (yat kiñca) the created world (jagatyāṃ jagat). What is given (tena tyaktena) do enjoy (bhuñjīthā), do not covet (mā gṛdhaḥ) anyone else's (kasya svid) wealth (dhanam). [1]
I really must remove this again for the following reasons; the item was blanked out when I began work. I deblanked it when collecting and adding different versions of the text. Then I noticed there were some questionable renderings. I modified these, but did not remove the ref - so at present the rendering is not that of the ref. However, the rendering is not neutral and authoritative enough to function as the arbiter here, though it could be rendered as one of the versions. This is why I suggested rendering from a dictionary, though that may be OR. Otherwise it is better to send it back to where I got it. This reflects a wider difficulty in including the views of the main Vedantic schools. Redheylin ( talk) 18:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
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The wikisource link is now bad. Says the article has been deleted and moved to language domain (Sanskrit). But the page on the SA domain does not exist! Whatever happened to the source material? Devadaru ( talk) 05:18, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
@ Lie Cleaner HK: Welcome to wikipedia. Please review wikipedia's content policies and guidelines particularly about reliable sources and inappropriate content. You did add non-RS websites based content from vedabase.net etc. Please do not edit war and explain why. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 14:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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Should this article not be called the Isha Upanishad, for consistency with the others, and because it is the most common name? And Isha itself is more common that Isha Upanishad. Imc 09:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I've just put the merge tags on as suggested by Profvk on Talk:Sri Isopanisad, but I know nothing about this subject (I found Sri Isopanisad when someone slapped a {{ catneeded}} tag on), so I make no real comment on whether this is an appropriate merge or not. Feel very free to remove the tags if it's not. Cheers -- Pak21 09:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I am merging the two articles, and tried to cleanup the more blatant essayish parts. Still needs major cleanup, particularly attribution of interpretations and translations. dab (ᛏ) 11:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
More meanings should be given for the first verse. Though Sanskrit has such an excellent grammer and it has such a wonderful etymology, still for some reason the simplest meaning of this verse as understood literally by anyone knowing sanskrit is not what is given in article. For someone knowing a bit of sanskrit the meaning is much straightforward. The meaning of verse is more like "All that you have in this universe is a place/abode of God (or part of God); so use it (or enjoy it) with a sense of detachment/renouncement (don't know the actual word in english, other wise the meaning is "use it with a sense of detachment+renoucement")
Image:Ishaupanishad.jpg Redheylin ( talk) 17:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia articles are based on scholarly literature (secondary sources), but may also include references to primary sources. It is important not to confuse the two. Osho is a primary source for anything concerning Osho. G. Flood is a secondary source in his field of expertise. Regardless of the origin of the translation, it isn't desirable to clutter articles with cheesy images. dab (𒁳) 17:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Redheylin: If Osho, whether I agree with his views or not, were well regarded as an academic authority on Vedic literature or acknowledged as an exponent of a respected tradition, I think he would be a fitting source for an encyclopedia article on this topic to quote.
Cordially, O Govinda ( talk) 18:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
re the request to "please refer me to details of wiki policy on 'cheesiness'", see WP:ENC. We can cover cheesy artwork in articles about cheesy artwork, if at all notable. Self-made cheesy art lacks all notability unless and until you get some major media coverage of your work. See also the UE rationale for image deletion at WP:IFD. You are free to use Image:Ishaupanishad.jpg in your userspace. If you have no intention of doing so, the image should probably be deleted as unencyclopedic. Furthermore, I find it highly dubious to translate "Purusha" with "cosmic spirit", and to quote verse 16 partially, without making clear that the "thou" there refers to the Sun. The Swami Paramananda translation has "O Sun ... The Purusha (Effulgent Being) who dwells within Thee, I am He". You make this "That cosmic spirit which lies at thy heart ... I myself am that", photoshopped together with some anthropomorphic statue losing all indication that this is about the subject identifying his own Self with that of the Sun. dab (𒁳) 08:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
my comments are "original research"? They are comments, properly placed on at talkpage. I am not sure what my "views" are supposed to be, and how they are "Mullerian". I pointed out why there is no way you can clutter article space with your private collages, that's all. Find an encyclopedic image related to the topic, and it will be fine. So the "Vedanta anthropomorphises"? Is that a fact now? Last time I checked, Vedanta was strong on mysticism. dab (𒁳) 15:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Literally: "all this (idam sarvam) covered by the Lord (Isavasyam), whatsoever, (yat kiñcha) the created world (jagatyam jagat). What is given (tena tyaktena) do enjoy (bhuñjitha), do not covet (ma grdhah) anyone else's (kasya svid) wealth (dhanam). [1]
I have removed the above as I am unhappy about its reliability but I dont have access to a good Sct dictionary at the moment. My doubts centre around "kiñcha jagatyam jagat tena tyaktena" If DB or anybody has a good quality source from which we might render this with a grammatical analysis? Redheylin ( talk) 14:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Note our pada article. You might as well say that "Upanishad" is not English. Doh. Redheylin, I am not interested in your opinions or elaborations of them. If you find an encyclopedic image illustrating "Ishvara", feel free to include it at Ishvara, preferably before ruining it with a graphics editor beforehand. If you have a problem with kiñca, kindly place a citation request. Or feel free to look up kim and ca in a dictionary. dab (𒁳) 16:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
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Literally: "all this (idaṃ sarvaṃ) covered by the Lord (īśā vāsyam), whatsoever, (yat kiñca) the created world (jagatyāṃ jagat). What is given (tena tyaktena) do enjoy (bhuñjīthā), do not covet (mā gṛdhaḥ) anyone else's (kasya svid) wealth (dhanam). [1]
I really must remove this again for the following reasons; the item was blanked out when I began work. I deblanked it when collecting and adding different versions of the text. Then I noticed there were some questionable renderings. I modified these, but did not remove the ref - so at present the rendering is not that of the ref. However, the rendering is not neutral and authoritative enough to function as the arbiter here, though it could be rendered as one of the versions. This is why I suggested rendering from a dictionary, though that may be OR. Otherwise it is better to send it back to where I got it. This reflects a wider difficulty in including the views of the main Vedantic schools. Redheylin ( talk) 18:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
References
The wikisource link is now bad. Says the article has been deleted and moved to language domain (Sanskrit). But the page on the SA domain does not exist! Whatever happened to the source material? Devadaru ( talk) 05:18, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
@ Lie Cleaner HK: Welcome to wikipedia. Please review wikipedia's content policies and guidelines particularly about reliable sources and inappropriate content. You did add non-RS websites based content from vedabase.net etc. Please do not edit war and explain why. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 14:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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