The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that 9th-century
Bulgarianfirst ministerIsbul was so rich that he constructed and donated buildings to the monarch
Malamir himself?
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Thanks for the review! I have introduced most of the changes you outlined above to the article. Here are my comments on the few I did not add:
"fl." has a rather specific meaning: that the person's birth and death date are unknown and that only the active part of his life is recorded. Do you suggest that I remove "fl." and leave only "820s–830s"? I don't think the way it is used at the moment is confusing, and if anyone wonders what it means, it is readily linked.
I was unable to find out where the Malamir Chronicle stone inscription was discovered: even Beshevliev in his rather in-depth study of Bulgar inscriptions (Bulgar Epigraphic Records, cited in this article) leaves this out. That said, it would certainly be an important part of an article on that inscription, but for the article on Isbul I do not think the location of the inscription is of particular importance anyway.
Plamen Pavlov is a historian and this is already made clear the first time his name is mentioned in the article: in the middle of the first paragraph of the body ("Historian Plamen Pavlov theorises that Isbul...").
Despite his unquestionable positive role, Isbul is a rather obscure and uncelebrated figure in Bulgarian culture. It is pretty much only historians who rightfully assess his importance in that period. There is a village in northeastern Bulgaria called
Izbul, though I was unable to verify whether it is named after the person from this article. I did add that he was a character in a Bulgarian opera, however. —
ToдorBoжinov —20:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Oops, I forgot to comment on the addition of "in Bulgarian" to the sources. In my opinion it is necessary to indicate the language. That it is in Cyrillic and about a Bulgarian person does not mean that a source is not written in Russian or Serbian, two languages in which many able historians of the Balkans write :) You probably dislike the repetition of "in Bulgarian" in every source. We can implement the solution which I used in
Round Church, Preslav: In English and In Bulgarian subsections of the Sources section. I'll go ahead and organize the sources this way, if you have something else in mind, do post! Best, —
ToдorBoжinov —20:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Meh, I just realized that I've also cited a source in German, which would make the above solution impractical. In that case, I'd rather keep the "in Bulgarian" parameters, but feel free to suggest something else :) —
ToдorBoжinov —20:53, 24 January 2011 (UTC)reply
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Bulgarianfirst ministerIsbul was so rich that he constructed and donated buildings to the monarch
Malamir himself?
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Thanks for the review! I have introduced most of the changes you outlined above to the article. Here are my comments on the few I did not add:
"fl." has a rather specific meaning: that the person's birth and death date are unknown and that only the active part of his life is recorded. Do you suggest that I remove "fl." and leave only "820s–830s"? I don't think the way it is used at the moment is confusing, and if anyone wonders what it means, it is readily linked.
I was unable to find out where the Malamir Chronicle stone inscription was discovered: even Beshevliev in his rather in-depth study of Bulgar inscriptions (Bulgar Epigraphic Records, cited in this article) leaves this out. That said, it would certainly be an important part of an article on that inscription, but for the article on Isbul I do not think the location of the inscription is of particular importance anyway.
Plamen Pavlov is a historian and this is already made clear the first time his name is mentioned in the article: in the middle of the first paragraph of the body ("Historian Plamen Pavlov theorises that Isbul...").
Despite his unquestionable positive role, Isbul is a rather obscure and uncelebrated figure in Bulgarian culture. It is pretty much only historians who rightfully assess his importance in that period. There is a village in northeastern Bulgaria called
Izbul, though I was unable to verify whether it is named after the person from this article. I did add that he was a character in a Bulgarian opera, however. —
ToдorBoжinov —20:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Oops, I forgot to comment on the addition of "in Bulgarian" to the sources. In my opinion it is necessary to indicate the language. That it is in Cyrillic and about a Bulgarian person does not mean that a source is not written in Russian or Serbian, two languages in which many able historians of the Balkans write :) You probably dislike the repetition of "in Bulgarian" in every source. We can implement the solution which I used in
Round Church, Preslav: In English and In Bulgarian subsections of the Sources section. I'll go ahead and organize the sources this way, if you have something else in mind, do post! Best, —
ToдorBoжinov —20:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Meh, I just realized that I've also cited a source in German, which would make the above solution impractical. In that case, I'd rather keep the "in Bulgarian" parameters, but feel free to suggest something else :) —
ToдorBoжinov —20:53, 24 January 2011 (UTC)reply