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I am editing to update outdated, incorrect and or unreliable sources. I also added further factual company information to make the page more informative. If any of these sources are not deemed acceptable, please let me know. Also, I am not sure if I worded the last sentence about the studies that have been done on Isagenix products, so please let me know how best to word it. This is also more factual information for the reader to be aware of. None of this is promoting or showcasing a favored point of view, only factual information to create a more balanced history/description page about the company. Also, I am not sure what Guy is saying about me being in promotional videos for Isagenix, that is not correct. Melizdean ( talk) 05:10, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
(1) Proposed change: This goes to a dead link "The company, based in Gilbert, Arizona, was founded in 2002 by John Anderson, Jim Coover, and Kathy Coover. [1] dead link"
New source:
"Isagenix A Leader in Health and Sustainability". Green Living Magazine. {{
cite web}}
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help)
(2) Proposed Change: This is out of date and goes to a unreliable source "In 2016, the company reported revenues of approximately $924.3 million. www.owler.com/company/isagenix|title=Isagenix Competitors, Revenue and Employees - Owler Company Profile
New info & reliable source: In 2017, the company reported revenues of nearly $1 Billion. https://issuu.com/greenlivingaz/docs/glaz_dec2017-greenliving_final_opti
(3) Proposed Change: This is incorrect and the source you point to even shows it "Jim Coover is chief executive officer, company president, and chairman."
New content SAME source: Jim Coover is company chairman.
(4) Proposed change: New content providing factual historical information with sources that are credible/notable awards
New content: In 2017, Jim Coover was selected in the Phoenix Business Journal Arizona Corporate Excellence Program as CEO of the Year. www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2017/11/03/ace-ceo-of-the-year-jim-coover-brings-isagenixs.html. The company has been recognized publicly for its corporate citizenship, including being named one of Phoenix Business Journal’s Largest Corporate Philanthropists in 2018 for its cash contributions to Arizona Charities.www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/subscriber-only/2018/10/26/largest-phoenix-area-corporate.html
(5) Proposed change: This information is incorrect and the source it points to is unfounded/not credible "Distributors are required to actively recruit new members to earn money. The company's promotional materials highlight people earning more than $100k per month; however, most distributors earn less than 500 dollars per year." ALso, I am guessing this one was the copyright violation so I have changed it.
New content: Distributors are required to actively enroll new customers who purchase products to earn money. https://www.isagenix.com/~/media/30F3E46319FA415C9CD6272DBEF5108C%7Ctitle=Introducing the Isagenix Customer First Program In 2017, approximately 78,000 U.S. distributors earned compensation. As of Dec. 31, 2017, 254 Isagenix distributors globally earned $1 million in cumulative gross earnings since joining Isagenix. Those in this group averaged approximately 6 years as a distributor before earning $1 million in cumulative gross earnings, with the longest being over 15 years. https://www.isagenix.com/en-US/library/earnings-statement
(6) Proposed change: The product in this authors critique is no longer sold by the company. Since it looks like on the talk page there is no chance removing it, I am proposing a minor addition
New content: Physician Harriet A. Hall published a lengthy critique of Isagenix products in Skeptical Enquirer, in which she said that many of the claims made about the products are false, and that the amount of vitamin A in some of the products (which are no longer sold by Isagenix) is dangerous and goes against the recommendations of The Medical Letter.
(7) Proposed change: The product section is not balanced but based on the talk page history it looks like many have tried to add cites to product studies. Can we at least put something like the following. I am open to disucssion, just something that notes that there are studies that have been done on products by research institutions.
New content: Many clinical studies by research institutions have been completed on the efficacy of Isagenix products including studies by Arizona State University, University of Illinois at Chicago, and Skidmore College, however, these studies are not recognized as credible sources on Wikipedia due to Isagenix commissioning the studies. In all of the studies, however, they state Isagenix was not involved in the collection, analyses, or interpretation of data.
I'm not aware of any MLM that is any different. Virtually nobody makes money from MLMs. The best that most people can hope for is to offset some of the costs of products they were probably going to buy anyway. All MLMs have a similar model_ they market the company and the scheme, not the product. Not for nothing are they often described as pyramid schemes. You'd need extraordinary evidence to show that this scheme is any different, and the only sources offered thus far are affiliated (mainly based on press releases, which are untrustworthy precisely because MLMs are basically pyramid schemes and rely on a constant supply of new marks). Guy ( Help!) 09:26, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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The isagenix pic is out of date 101Fake101 ( talk) 15:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
The photo is outdated I edited it but it did not fix Isagenix123456789 ( talk) 11:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I am wondering if this section could be organized better or split up. It currently reads more as a Criticism section. This sentence The company also sells "Financial Wellness" product bundles to their multi-level marketing distributors. comes from the Isagenix product catalogue, which appears to be an outdated link and should be removed either way. Jmbld ( talk) 17:17, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
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I am editing to update outdated, incorrect and or unreliable sources. I also added further factual company information to make the page more informative. If any of these sources are not deemed acceptable, please let me know. Also, I am not sure if I worded the last sentence about the studies that have been done on Isagenix products, so please let me know how best to word it. This is also more factual information for the reader to be aware of. None of this is promoting or showcasing a favored point of view, only factual information to create a more balanced history/description page about the company. Also, I am not sure what Guy is saying about me being in promotional videos for Isagenix, that is not correct. Melizdean ( talk) 05:10, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
(1) Proposed change: This goes to a dead link "The company, based in Gilbert, Arizona, was founded in 2002 by John Anderson, Jim Coover, and Kathy Coover. [1] dead link"
New source:
"Isagenix A Leader in Health and Sustainability". Green Living Magazine. {{
cite web}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url=
(
help)
(2) Proposed Change: This is out of date and goes to a unreliable source "In 2016, the company reported revenues of approximately $924.3 million. www.owler.com/company/isagenix|title=Isagenix Competitors, Revenue and Employees - Owler Company Profile
New info & reliable source: In 2017, the company reported revenues of nearly $1 Billion. https://issuu.com/greenlivingaz/docs/glaz_dec2017-greenliving_final_opti
(3) Proposed Change: This is incorrect and the source you point to even shows it "Jim Coover is chief executive officer, company president, and chairman."
New content SAME source: Jim Coover is company chairman.
(4) Proposed change: New content providing factual historical information with sources that are credible/notable awards
New content: In 2017, Jim Coover was selected in the Phoenix Business Journal Arizona Corporate Excellence Program as CEO of the Year. www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2017/11/03/ace-ceo-of-the-year-jim-coover-brings-isagenixs.html. The company has been recognized publicly for its corporate citizenship, including being named one of Phoenix Business Journal’s Largest Corporate Philanthropists in 2018 for its cash contributions to Arizona Charities.www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/subscriber-only/2018/10/26/largest-phoenix-area-corporate.html
(5) Proposed change: This information is incorrect and the source it points to is unfounded/not credible "Distributors are required to actively recruit new members to earn money. The company's promotional materials highlight people earning more than $100k per month; however, most distributors earn less than 500 dollars per year." ALso, I am guessing this one was the copyright violation so I have changed it.
New content: Distributors are required to actively enroll new customers who purchase products to earn money. https://www.isagenix.com/~/media/30F3E46319FA415C9CD6272DBEF5108C%7Ctitle=Introducing the Isagenix Customer First Program In 2017, approximately 78,000 U.S. distributors earned compensation. As of Dec. 31, 2017, 254 Isagenix distributors globally earned $1 million in cumulative gross earnings since joining Isagenix. Those in this group averaged approximately 6 years as a distributor before earning $1 million in cumulative gross earnings, with the longest being over 15 years. https://www.isagenix.com/en-US/library/earnings-statement
(6) Proposed change: The product in this authors critique is no longer sold by the company. Since it looks like on the talk page there is no chance removing it, I am proposing a minor addition
New content: Physician Harriet A. Hall published a lengthy critique of Isagenix products in Skeptical Enquirer, in which she said that many of the claims made about the products are false, and that the amount of vitamin A in some of the products (which are no longer sold by Isagenix) is dangerous and goes against the recommendations of The Medical Letter.
(7) Proposed change: The product section is not balanced but based on the talk page history it looks like many have tried to add cites to product studies. Can we at least put something like the following. I am open to disucssion, just something that notes that there are studies that have been done on products by research institutions.
New content: Many clinical studies by research institutions have been completed on the efficacy of Isagenix products including studies by Arizona State University, University of Illinois at Chicago, and Skidmore College, however, these studies are not recognized as credible sources on Wikipedia due to Isagenix commissioning the studies. In all of the studies, however, they state Isagenix was not involved in the collection, analyses, or interpretation of data.
I'm not aware of any MLM that is any different. Virtually nobody makes money from MLMs. The best that most people can hope for is to offset some of the costs of products they were probably going to buy anyway. All MLMs have a similar model_ they market the company and the scheme, not the product. Not for nothing are they often described as pyramid schemes. You'd need extraordinary evidence to show that this scheme is any different, and the only sources offered thus far are affiliated (mainly based on press releases, which are untrustworthy precisely because MLMs are basically pyramid schemes and rely on a constant supply of new marks). Guy ( Help!) 09:26, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
References
The isagenix pic is out of date 101Fake101 ( talk) 15:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
The photo is outdated I edited it but it did not fix Isagenix123456789 ( talk) 11:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I am wondering if this section could be organized better or split up. It currently reads more as a Criticism section. This sentence The company also sells "Financial Wellness" product bundles to their multi-level marketing distributors. comes from the Isagenix product catalogue, which appears to be an outdated link and should be removed either way. Jmbld ( talk) 17:17, 18 February 2022 (UTC)