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She is the pivotal genealogical point of the later (in 1260's) succession dispute. It is presumably so that many readers will check her name, in order to find out about that. Therefore, there should be some proper mention about the dispute. 62.78.124.73 06:32, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It is very possible that there are people who have heard of succession dispute, want to know more about it, and have heard that it was because of Isabella's inheritance and branches created by her children. (Actually, there was a time sometime in the past when that was approximately the sum of facts I knew.) You apparently have a sort of tunnel vision. We must remember that succession disputes should be mentioned also with the person from whom that originates. 62.78.106.28 17:08, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
User 217.16.209.173 has written the following in the article proper: "(The date of birth of her daughter Maria of Montferrat, who succeeded her as queen regnant, is uncertain. Some claim Maria had aready been born by this time, but this may be in response to the comments noted below in Muslim sources.)".
I resent the part "Some claim Maria had aready been born by this time, but this may be in response to the comments noted below in Muslim sources." - particularly the element alleging "response". I believe such wording in the article proper is unsuitable. Article should be neutral. It does not belong to the article.
User 217.16.209.173 should learn to make discussions about facts and interpretations on the relevant talk page, not in the article proper.
As it is well known that Isabella, then around 20 y.o, married Conrad in Autumn 1190, and Isabella was (later) proven rather fertile, it is highly likely that a child was born to them already in 1191.
On the other hand, Maria's birth has been indicated by some source of Franco-Syria to have taken place before the death of her father. And, Maria appears never as "posthumous" in contemporary sources, which are however rather likely to mention if she was posthumous. 217.140.193.123 29 June 2005 06:15 (UTC)
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I was unable to find an online source that gave a definite date of death. The Crusader World says she died a few months after Aimery, Crusader Art in the Holy Land says she died a few weeks later, Mediæval popes, emperors, kings, and crusaders and The Biographical Dictionary of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge both say Isabel died first. So if someone could clear that up, it would be greatly appreciated. — howcheng { chat} 18:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
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She is the pivotal genealogical point of the later (in 1260's) succession dispute. It is presumably so that many readers will check her name, in order to find out about that. Therefore, there should be some proper mention about the dispute. 62.78.124.73 06:32, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It is very possible that there are people who have heard of succession dispute, want to know more about it, and have heard that it was because of Isabella's inheritance and branches created by her children. (Actually, there was a time sometime in the past when that was approximately the sum of facts I knew.) You apparently have a sort of tunnel vision. We must remember that succession disputes should be mentioned also with the person from whom that originates. 62.78.106.28 17:08, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
User 217.16.209.173 has written the following in the article proper: "(The date of birth of her daughter Maria of Montferrat, who succeeded her as queen regnant, is uncertain. Some claim Maria had aready been born by this time, but this may be in response to the comments noted below in Muslim sources.)".
I resent the part "Some claim Maria had aready been born by this time, but this may be in response to the comments noted below in Muslim sources." - particularly the element alleging "response". I believe such wording in the article proper is unsuitable. Article should be neutral. It does not belong to the article.
User 217.16.209.173 should learn to make discussions about facts and interpretations on the relevant talk page, not in the article proper.
As it is well known that Isabella, then around 20 y.o, married Conrad in Autumn 1190, and Isabella was (later) proven rather fertile, it is highly likely that a child was born to them already in 1191.
On the other hand, Maria's birth has been indicated by some source of Franco-Syria to have taken place before the death of her father. And, Maria appears never as "posthumous" in contemporary sources, which are however rather likely to mention if she was posthumous. 217.140.193.123 29 June 2005 06:15 (UTC)
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I was unable to find an online source that gave a definite date of death. The Crusader World says she died a few months after Aimery, Crusader Art in the Holy Land says she died a few weeks later, Mediæval popes, emperors, kings, and crusaders and The Biographical Dictionary of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge both say Isabel died first. So if someone could clear that up, it would be greatly appreciated. — howcheng { chat} 18:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Isabella of Jerusalem and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 26#Isabella of Jerusalem until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jay (talk) 04:22, 3 January 2022 (UTC)