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Red flags
If the information and content of this article are of the same standard as the wording of the introduction ("brought down the crime rate" is not a sentence one can use about a 15th century monarch's government - there were no "crime rate" statistics in the 15th century, that is something that can be said about 20th or 21st century American presidents; and "by Catholic church in 1974" without article; etc. etc.) this whole article is in need of serious attention from a scholar.! — Preceding
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193.81.74.177 (
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– Article titles are titled based on their titled in reliable sources. There is hardly a reliable source that uses the current title. I think the last two are primary topics because this queen seems to most influential out of all the queens listed in the two disambiguation pages.
Interstellarity (
talk) 20:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. There are at least two books with "Isabel I of Castile" in the title
here and
here and one with "Isabella I of Castile"
here.
Srnec (
talk) 22:27, 1 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Greatly reduces recognizability. "Isabella of Castile" you might get away with, but not "Isabella I" alone, which is insufficient. You hardly find her referred to as that. And
Queen Isabellas are far too many for you to claim this to be overwhelmingly the primary topic. Not least of which
WP:SOVEREIGN guidelines request you do not remove country when there is more than one monarch of that name.
Walrasiad (
talk) 03:55, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose Her name was Isabel, not Isabella.
Mztourist (
talk) 05:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. No evidence of primary topic. Numerous other queens and people from Spain called Isabella/Isabel.
DrKay (
talk) 08:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose this continuing seeming campaign to eliminate the Name # of country style.
GoodDay (
talk) 13:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose per opposers.
Johnbod (
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Later Years
the first sentence under the Later Years heading is an incomplete sentence.:
"Isabella was given the title of Catholic Monarch by Pope Alexander VI, whose behavior and involvement in matters Isabella did not approve of."
69.61.224.68 (
talk) 01:52, 13 October 2021 (UTC)reply
Unidiomatic English in a quote about Queen Isabella in the Wikipedia article about her
"She [Queen Isabella] was an endeavored woman ..."
"Endeavored" does not make sense to a native English speaker such as myself. I have never seen the word "endeavored" used in this way, as an adjective attached to a particular noun, & have no idea what the translator meant. I made a brief attempt to follow the link to the orginal source of the quote, but found only an Indonesian website extolling the efficacy of a particular mantra for gamblers, so I decided it would easier just to leave a message about the problem, in the hope that someone familiar with the original language, presumably Spanish, & a better command of the English language, might retranslate the passage correctly.
2603:8001:103D:1FB5:7C4C:CED0:8CD3:4D60 (
talk) 11:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Just cut - I suspect it means "driven" or "hard-working" but whatever.
Johnbod (
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Natg 19 (
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Support -
Isabella II is treated as the primary topic against
Isabella II of Jerusalem.
Isabella I is far better known than the second queen by that name. I don't think Isabella of Majorca should be a concern unless a numeral is frequently used with her name, but even then Isabella I has far more long-term significance.
estar8806 (
talk)
★ 02:08, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. It is very valuable/clarifying to name her inherited kingdom in her title, as it is in her husband's. Also, "Isabella I" is not unambiguous (see
Isabella I of Jerusalem), so there is benefit in a fuller title that alerts the reader to whose article they are at and, indeed, alerts them to the potential ambiguity/lack of clarity.
Srnec (
talk) 03:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per
WP:SOVEREIGN, as the clear primary topic and existing primary redirect since 2004.
Rosbif73 (
talk) 08:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per
WP:SOVEREIGN which clearly requires disambiguation from other Isabella I. Also, per
WP:COMMONNAME. She is better known as "Queen Isabella" or "Isabella the Catholic". No indication that the proposed title refers to a monarch of any kind.
Walrasiad (
talk) 15:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
"Isabella I" is more common than "Isabella the Catholic" in ngram usage
[1] ("
Queen Isabella" is obviously ambiguous). And how is there any less indication in the proposed title that the article is about a monarch?
estar8806 (
talk)
★ 21:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
No, your terms include spurious hits like Isabella I of Jerusalem, Isabella on page 1 in an index, fragments of the phrase "Isabella I say", the children's book "Isabella I Love You", etc. "Queen Isabella", or "Isabella the Catholic", or "Isabella of Spain", are far more popular names. Who this "Isabella I" is largely a mystery. Quite unrecognizable.
Walrasiad (
talk) 00:47, 2 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Best to make it as easy as possible for readers to know immediately, which country she reigned over.
GoodDay (
talk) 22:37, 2 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per the reasons given by User:GoodDay. -
Therealscorp1an (
talk) 13:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose due to the variety of disambiguating terms used with her name off Wikipedia. "Isabella I" is almost never used in isolation. ~
Pbritti (
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Red flags
If the information and content of this article are of the same standard as the wording of the introduction ("brought down the crime rate" is not a sentence one can use about a 15th century monarch's government - there were no "crime rate" statistics in the 15th century, that is something that can be said about 20th or 21st century American presidents; and "by Catholic church in 1974" without article; etc. etc.) this whole article is in need of serious attention from a scholar.! — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
193.81.74.177 (
talk) 08:45, 4 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Requested move 1 October 2020
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– Article titles are titled based on their titled in reliable sources. There is hardly a reliable source that uses the current title. I think the last two are primary topics because this queen seems to most influential out of all the queens listed in the two disambiguation pages.
Interstellarity (
talk) 20:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. There are at least two books with "Isabel I of Castile" in the title
here and
here and one with "Isabella I of Castile"
here.
Srnec (
talk) 22:27, 1 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Greatly reduces recognizability. "Isabella of Castile" you might get away with, but not "Isabella I" alone, which is insufficient. You hardly find her referred to as that. And
Queen Isabellas are far too many for you to claim this to be overwhelmingly the primary topic. Not least of which
WP:SOVEREIGN guidelines request you do not remove country when there is more than one monarch of that name.
Walrasiad (
talk) 03:55, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose Her name was Isabel, not Isabella.
Mztourist (
talk) 05:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. No evidence of primary topic. Numerous other queens and people from Spain called Isabella/Isabel.
DrKay (
talk) 08:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose this continuing seeming campaign to eliminate the Name # of country style.
GoodDay (
talk) 13:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose per opposers.
Johnbod (
talk) 16:27, 4 October 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Later Years
the first sentence under the Later Years heading is an incomplete sentence.:
"Isabella was given the title of Catholic Monarch by Pope Alexander VI, whose behavior and involvement in matters Isabella did not approve of."
69.61.224.68 (
talk) 01:52, 13 October 2021 (UTC)reply
Unidiomatic English in a quote about Queen Isabella in the Wikipedia article about her
"She [Queen Isabella] was an endeavored woman ..."
"Endeavored" does not make sense to a native English speaker such as myself. I have never seen the word "endeavored" used in this way, as an adjective attached to a particular noun, & have no idea what the translator meant. I made a brief attempt to follow the link to the orginal source of the quote, but found only an Indonesian website extolling the efficacy of a particular mantra for gamblers, so I decided it would easier just to leave a message about the problem, in the hope that someone familiar with the original language, presumably Spanish, & a better command of the English language, might retranslate the passage correctly.
2603:8001:103D:1FB5:7C4C:CED0:8CD3:4D60 (
talk) 11:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Just cut - I suspect it means "driven" or "hard-working" but whatever.
Johnbod (
talk) 17:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Requested move 29 February 2024
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus against moving after 1 month of discussion (
non-admin closure)
Natg 19 (
talk) 17:15, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support -
Isabella II is treated as the primary topic against
Isabella II of Jerusalem.
Isabella I is far better known than the second queen by that name. I don't think Isabella of Majorca should be a concern unless a numeral is frequently used with her name, but even then Isabella I has far more long-term significance.
estar8806 (
talk)
★ 02:08, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. It is very valuable/clarifying to name her inherited kingdom in her title, as it is in her husband's. Also, "Isabella I" is not unambiguous (see
Isabella I of Jerusalem), so there is benefit in a fuller title that alerts the reader to whose article they are at and, indeed, alerts them to the potential ambiguity/lack of clarity.
Srnec (
talk) 03:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per
WP:SOVEREIGN, as the clear primary topic and existing primary redirect since 2004.
Rosbif73 (
talk) 08:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per
WP:SOVEREIGN which clearly requires disambiguation from other Isabella I. Also, per
WP:COMMONNAME. She is better known as "Queen Isabella" or "Isabella the Catholic". No indication that the proposed title refers to a monarch of any kind.
Walrasiad (
talk) 15:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
"Isabella I" is more common than "Isabella the Catholic" in ngram usage
[1] ("
Queen Isabella" is obviously ambiguous). And how is there any less indication in the proposed title that the article is about a monarch?
estar8806 (
talk)
★ 21:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
No, your terms include spurious hits like Isabella I of Jerusalem, Isabella on page 1 in an index, fragments of the phrase "Isabella I say", the children's book "Isabella I Love You", etc. "Queen Isabella", or "Isabella the Catholic", or "Isabella of Spain", are far more popular names. Who this "Isabella I" is largely a mystery. Quite unrecognizable.
Walrasiad (
talk) 00:47, 2 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Best to make it as easy as possible for readers to know immediately, which country she reigned over.
GoodDay (
talk) 22:37, 2 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per the reasons given by User:GoodDay. -
Therealscorp1an (
talk) 13:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose due to the variety of disambiguating terms used with her name off Wikipedia. "Isabella I" is almost never used in isolation. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 14:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.