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Regardless of who is editing this article, in order to comply with Wikipedia policy it is imperative that all claims (especially those regarding a living person as per WP:LIVE) be properly referenced and footnoted. An ambiguous statement that simply says that the specific information appears somewhere "in the bibliography" is simply not sufficient to safeguard either the personal rights of the subject individual or the need for verifiability in the encyclopedia itself. regards Deconstructhis ( talk) 17:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Irving Hexham writes: Thank you for correcting me on this issue. I have made the appropriate changes so that the references are to published sources. This is, I believe, not against Wikipedia policy since the information is "neutral" and corrects factual mistakes in an article about myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irvinghexham ( talk • contribs) 19:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Irving Hexham writes: Since my earlier comment all of my original changes have been removed and the page was re-written by a Third Party. So the COI issue is no longer a concern. Perhaps someone can check the history and remove such comments. I again apologize for not knowing the rules when I added my changes. Irving Hexham ( talk) 18:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I believe that the actual "notability" of this scholar is hardly the issue here is it? A quick search of Wikipedia easily turns up a number of some of his obvious colleagues, none of whose articles are challenged for appropriateness on that basis:
Eileen Barker, David Bromley, Douglas Cowan, Jeffrey K. Hadden, Reender Kranenborg, J. Gordon Melton, Anson Shupe,
In fact, I obtained those names from a list in an article that originally contained Hexham as well. Also, despite the fact that the recent edits were authored by an editor who chose to use "IrvingHexham" as his account name, I've not seen any direct evidence that in fact that editor actually is Irving Hexham, if someone has concrete evidence of that, I'd like to request that they present it here for other editors to examine. I'm going to leave the "compiled" template in place for the moment, but without sufficient supporting evidence (especially on the "notability" issue), I intend on removing it as inappropriate, to be replaced with the templates that were already in place. cheers Deconstructhis ( talk) 17:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Hrafn Talk Stalk 17:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
From Irving Hexham: To be honest I really do not have the hang of how Wikipedia works and apologize for my earlier comments. The fact of the matter is that I provided standard academic references which someone removed. Then I was accused on not providing references and of conflict of interest when all I was trying to do was add useful information to a Wikipedia page. As far as I am aware I have acted in accordance with the guidelines that do allow the subject or an article to add comments if mistakes are made in the original article. The guidelines also allow for people with close relationships to write articles provided they are neutral, objective, and include citations which is what I tried to do in the case of my wife Karla Poewe and of a former colleague Hugo Anthony Meynell. Yet my citations were removed and I was accused of conflict of interest which I do not believe is true given the factual nature of what I wrote. Perhaps you can advise me further on this issue. Thank you. Irvinghexham ( talk) 02:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC) ( talk • contribs) 02:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Per
Wikipedia:Notability (academics), this scholar has achieved notability and template will be removed as such.
Ottava Rima (
talk) 23:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
(moved off-topic comment to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Irvinghexham#Pseudonyms) Theserialcomma ( talk) 03:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Border Crossings: Explorations of an Interdisciplinary Historian appears to be unpublished (it is not listed on either Google Books or Amazon). As such it would be unverifiable and unacceptable as a source. If somebody wishes to contest this, then I suggest that they post the ISBN number of this book.
Even if it is published, a long lines of 'Ibid's is unacceptable, both from the viewpoint of verifiability and from a Manual of Style viewpoint. I will be tagging them for lack of page numbers and would strongly suggest that when they are corrected WP:CITE#Shortened footnotes be used to replace this ugly repetition. Hrafn Talk Stalk 08:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
(Parenthetically, if "van der Heyden and Feldkeller 2008:12" means page 12, this needs to be made clearer. Hrafn Talk Stalk 08:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC) )
Although "usually not sufficient individually" to satisfy notability policy requirements, WP:ACADEMIC points out that the publication of a Festschrift "dedicated to a particular person" in and of itself can contribute to establishing an individual's academic notability. Provided that the publication originates under the auspices of a reputable educational institution, I find it somewhat strange that a Festschrift can be legitimately utilized to bolster an individuals academic notability according to one policy and simultaneously rejected as "unverifiable" and unsuitable as a source by another. Thoughts? cheers Deconstructhis ( talk) 15:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
A possibly more fruitful line of inquiry is: What part of this information is useful to any reader but Prof. Hexham? We are not a collection of resumes. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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Regardless of who is editing this article, in order to comply with Wikipedia policy it is imperative that all claims (especially those regarding a living person as per WP:LIVE) be properly referenced and footnoted. An ambiguous statement that simply says that the specific information appears somewhere "in the bibliography" is simply not sufficient to safeguard either the personal rights of the subject individual or the need for verifiability in the encyclopedia itself. regards Deconstructhis ( talk) 17:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Irving Hexham writes: Thank you for correcting me on this issue. I have made the appropriate changes so that the references are to published sources. This is, I believe, not against Wikipedia policy since the information is "neutral" and corrects factual mistakes in an article about myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irvinghexham ( talk • contribs) 19:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Irving Hexham writes: Since my earlier comment all of my original changes have been removed and the page was re-written by a Third Party. So the COI issue is no longer a concern. Perhaps someone can check the history and remove such comments. I again apologize for not knowing the rules when I added my changes. Irving Hexham ( talk) 18:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I believe that the actual "notability" of this scholar is hardly the issue here is it? A quick search of Wikipedia easily turns up a number of some of his obvious colleagues, none of whose articles are challenged for appropriateness on that basis:
Eileen Barker, David Bromley, Douglas Cowan, Jeffrey K. Hadden, Reender Kranenborg, J. Gordon Melton, Anson Shupe,
In fact, I obtained those names from a list in an article that originally contained Hexham as well. Also, despite the fact that the recent edits were authored by an editor who chose to use "IrvingHexham" as his account name, I've not seen any direct evidence that in fact that editor actually is Irving Hexham, if someone has concrete evidence of that, I'd like to request that they present it here for other editors to examine. I'm going to leave the "compiled" template in place for the moment, but without sufficient supporting evidence (especially on the "notability" issue), I intend on removing it as inappropriate, to be replaced with the templates that were already in place. cheers Deconstructhis ( talk) 17:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Hrafn Talk Stalk 17:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
From Irving Hexham: To be honest I really do not have the hang of how Wikipedia works and apologize for my earlier comments. The fact of the matter is that I provided standard academic references which someone removed. Then I was accused on not providing references and of conflict of interest when all I was trying to do was add useful information to a Wikipedia page. As far as I am aware I have acted in accordance with the guidelines that do allow the subject or an article to add comments if mistakes are made in the original article. The guidelines also allow for people with close relationships to write articles provided they are neutral, objective, and include citations which is what I tried to do in the case of my wife Karla Poewe and of a former colleague Hugo Anthony Meynell. Yet my citations were removed and I was accused of conflict of interest which I do not believe is true given the factual nature of what I wrote. Perhaps you can advise me further on this issue. Thank you. Irvinghexham ( talk) 02:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC) ( talk • contribs) 02:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Per
Wikipedia:Notability (academics), this scholar has achieved notability and template will be removed as such.
Ottava Rima (
talk) 23:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
(moved off-topic comment to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Irvinghexham#Pseudonyms) Theserialcomma ( talk) 03:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Border Crossings: Explorations of an Interdisciplinary Historian appears to be unpublished (it is not listed on either Google Books or Amazon). As such it would be unverifiable and unacceptable as a source. If somebody wishes to contest this, then I suggest that they post the ISBN number of this book.
Even if it is published, a long lines of 'Ibid's is unacceptable, both from the viewpoint of verifiability and from a Manual of Style viewpoint. I will be tagging them for lack of page numbers and would strongly suggest that when they are corrected WP:CITE#Shortened footnotes be used to replace this ugly repetition. Hrafn Talk Stalk 08:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
(Parenthetically, if "van der Heyden and Feldkeller 2008:12" means page 12, this needs to be made clearer. Hrafn Talk Stalk 08:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC) )
Although "usually not sufficient individually" to satisfy notability policy requirements, WP:ACADEMIC points out that the publication of a Festschrift "dedicated to a particular person" in and of itself can contribute to establishing an individual's academic notability. Provided that the publication originates under the auspices of a reputable educational institution, I find it somewhat strange that a Festschrift can be legitimately utilized to bolster an individuals academic notability according to one policy and simultaneously rejected as "unverifiable" and unsuitable as a source by another. Thoughts? cheers Deconstructhis ( talk) 15:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
A possibly more fruitful line of inquiry is: What part of this information is useful to any reader but Prof. Hexham? We are not a collection of resumes. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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