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Chaves 2017 states, without further substantiation, that 80% is BOTH religious AND spiritual. He then goes on to state that only 54% are at least moderately religious. Is the difference here the slightly religious category? If so, at the very least he is then inconsistent in the use of considering somebody in the religious category without explicitly stating he is. The GSS 2018 indicates that now 46% are lightly or not religious. (relpersn) Jmv2009 ( talk) 14:16, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
@Ramos1990 So why focus on his statistics which confound the variable religiousness and spirituality together? He also mentions on page 38 that "only" 54% were at least moderately religious. That's a much clearer number to use.
But why ignore the 54% he also mentions? Jmv2009 ( talk) 21:06, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
The CIA estimated that the USA was 22.8% atheist/agnostic, but your page is giving incredibly false information fo
Religions - The World Factbook. https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/religions/
This revealed that 69% of all Democrats were atheist/agnostic in 2014.
NW, 1615 L. St, et al. “Religious Landscape Study.” Pew Research Center’s Religion & Public Life Project, https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/
You have very outdated information on all sites, and this is not a surprise given that those with faith still outnumber us, but we without faith demand truths and facts, not made up nonsense.
"In the United States, between 6% and 15% of citizens demonstrated nonreligious attitudes and naturalistic worldviews, namely atheists or agnostics.[2][3][4][5] The number of self-identified atheists and agnostics was around 4% each, while many persons formally affiliated with a religion are likewise non-believing.[6][7][8]"
And you're citing articles which cite old articles and you're still citing those old articles, and this is straight up fraud, especially in conspiracy to defraud the United States of equal representation, because for how many are irreligious in this country, we have not one atheist in our congres.
Pew Research has been getting better about their bias, but it still exists. Despite this, they are still stating that in 2021, the number of Atheists in the US were at 21%.
Mitchell, Travis. “Faith on the Hill.” Pew Research Center’s Religion & Public Life Project, 4 Jan. 2021, https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/01/04/faith-on-the-hill-2021/.
On Google, this nonsense appeared. I have flagged that to them, with this link provided:
Google Question, Answered Fraudently:
What percent of the population is atheist agnostic?
"Irreligion in the United States - Wikipedia In the United States, between 6% and 15% of citizens demonstrated nonreligious attitudes and naturalistic worldviews, namely atheists or agnostics. The number of self-identified atheists and agnostics was around 4% each, while many persons formally affiliated with a religion are likewise non-believing."
“Non-Religious Voters Wield Clout, Tilt Heavily Democratic.” AP News, 3 Dec. 2022, https://apnews.com/article/abortion-pennsylvania-reproductive-rights-e5eb366a76995619a2c9bae200f414e6.
The atheist voting block surpassed all other grousp in 2016, and has been rising steadily fast as more atheists are becoming more poitical.
Ingraham, Christopher. “The Non-Religious Are Now the Country’s Largest Religious Voting Bloc.” Washington Post, 24 Nov. 2021. www.washingtonpost.com, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/14/the-non-religious-are-now-the-countrys-largest-religious-voting-bloc/.
And we can see that they are becomming more politically active from this research.
"In 2016, an atheist engaged in 1.45 activities compared to 1.4 for an agnostic. Christians were slightly lower at 1.28. But, by 2018 the landscape had changed. Both Protestants and Catholics saw a tremendous decline down to .90 or .95 actions. For agnostics, there was no statistically significant change. But for atheists, there was a noticeable uptick to 1.58. The gap between Christians and atheists is huge now, with atheists about ten percent more politically engaged in 2018."
“Atheists Are the Most Politically Active Group in the United States.” Religion in Public, 13 Apr. 2020, https://religioninpublic.blog/2020/04/13/atheists-are-the-most-politically-active-group-in-the-united-states/.
They have tried to split non-believers into many different denominations in order to make it look like we're small in number, but agnostic, atheist, unsure, nonthing, no opinion, Irreligious, Antitheist, and all others, are all atheists. The term atheist is literally: “a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods," and if you do not have a firm belief, or you question that a god exists, then that person is not affiliated with religion. If I told you that I was unsure that you exist, and after having just met you, you'd have doubts about my own perception of reality; whearas those with religion see others that do not believe in a magical sky fairy to be insane, and brain damaged. I do not think this is nice, just because they can't answer their questions with legitimate evidence.
This was citing a paper from 30 years ago:
The number of atheists and agnostics found in common surveys tends to be quite low since, for instance, according to the 2019 Pew Research Center survey they were 3.1% and 4% respectively[7] and according to the 2014 General Social Survey they were 4% and 5% respectively.[28]
Get it together and CHECK YOUR SOURCES. READ THEM. COMPREHEND THEM. DO NOT JUST ACCEPT THEM BECAUSE THEY EXIST.
The archived link of this shall be shared. 107.115.207.35 ( talk) 05:11, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
This entire article needs to be rewritten with the idea in mind that the word "Irreligion" is often used as a pejorative against people who are secular, and do not identify as having a preferred religion. As a secular individual, I find the term "Irreligious" highly offensive. It implies a negative, or lack of something. Although I do not have any religious preferences, I have my own belief system, that is essentially Empirical, Existential, Utilitarian, Pantheistic, and Egalitarian. I believe that the Universe is akin to a god with no consciousness, and we are all a part of it and connected at the subatomic level. Everything objective is explainable by science, while things that are subjective are explainable by philosophy. The Universe is all one thing. This is shown through data about quantum entanglement, and the fact that Energy is never lost, it only changes. It's all the same energy, even though all the particles have their own properties, at the basest level everything is energy, and it's all essentially the same energy just in a multitude of different states. I have Faith. My faith is that science can explain anything that is objective, and philosophy can explain that which is subjective. I have Faith in people, and in the principles of both science and morality. I have Faith in ideas such as compassion, empathy, logic, and love. So, when you call me "Irreligious", you are Implying that I lack something that religious people do not, and that is not true. I am simply secular, and I wish to be represented as "Secular" and not "Irreligious". Fantredath ( talk) 06:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
The article should reflect latest polls according to which "nones" comprise 28% of the population, up from 16% in polls from 2007. </nowiki> Chernorizets ( talk) 08:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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Chaves 2017 states, without further substantiation, that 80% is BOTH religious AND spiritual. He then goes on to state that only 54% are at least moderately religious. Is the difference here the slightly religious category? If so, at the very least he is then inconsistent in the use of considering somebody in the religious category without explicitly stating he is. The GSS 2018 indicates that now 46% are lightly or not religious. (relpersn) Jmv2009 ( talk) 14:16, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
@Ramos1990 So why focus on his statistics which confound the variable religiousness and spirituality together? He also mentions on page 38 that "only" 54% were at least moderately religious. That's a much clearer number to use.
But why ignore the 54% he also mentions? Jmv2009 ( talk) 21:06, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
The CIA estimated that the USA was 22.8% atheist/agnostic, but your page is giving incredibly false information fo
Religions - The World Factbook. https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/religions/
This revealed that 69% of all Democrats were atheist/agnostic in 2014.
NW, 1615 L. St, et al. “Religious Landscape Study.” Pew Research Center’s Religion & Public Life Project, https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/
You have very outdated information on all sites, and this is not a surprise given that those with faith still outnumber us, but we without faith demand truths and facts, not made up nonsense.
"In the United States, between 6% and 15% of citizens demonstrated nonreligious attitudes and naturalistic worldviews, namely atheists or agnostics.[2][3][4][5] The number of self-identified atheists and agnostics was around 4% each, while many persons formally affiliated with a religion are likewise non-believing.[6][7][8]"
And you're citing articles which cite old articles and you're still citing those old articles, and this is straight up fraud, especially in conspiracy to defraud the United States of equal representation, because for how many are irreligious in this country, we have not one atheist in our congres.
Pew Research has been getting better about their bias, but it still exists. Despite this, they are still stating that in 2021, the number of Atheists in the US were at 21%.
Mitchell, Travis. “Faith on the Hill.” Pew Research Center’s Religion & Public Life Project, 4 Jan. 2021, https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/01/04/faith-on-the-hill-2021/.
On Google, this nonsense appeared. I have flagged that to them, with this link provided:
Google Question, Answered Fraudently:
What percent of the population is atheist agnostic?
"Irreligion in the United States - Wikipedia In the United States, between 6% and 15% of citizens demonstrated nonreligious attitudes and naturalistic worldviews, namely atheists or agnostics. The number of self-identified atheists and agnostics was around 4% each, while many persons formally affiliated with a religion are likewise non-believing."
“Non-Religious Voters Wield Clout, Tilt Heavily Democratic.” AP News, 3 Dec. 2022, https://apnews.com/article/abortion-pennsylvania-reproductive-rights-e5eb366a76995619a2c9bae200f414e6.
The atheist voting block surpassed all other grousp in 2016, and has been rising steadily fast as more atheists are becoming more poitical.
Ingraham, Christopher. “The Non-Religious Are Now the Country’s Largest Religious Voting Bloc.” Washington Post, 24 Nov. 2021. www.washingtonpost.com, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/14/the-non-religious-are-now-the-countrys-largest-religious-voting-bloc/.
And we can see that they are becomming more politically active from this research.
"In 2016, an atheist engaged in 1.45 activities compared to 1.4 for an agnostic. Christians were slightly lower at 1.28. But, by 2018 the landscape had changed. Both Protestants and Catholics saw a tremendous decline down to .90 or .95 actions. For agnostics, there was no statistically significant change. But for atheists, there was a noticeable uptick to 1.58. The gap between Christians and atheists is huge now, with atheists about ten percent more politically engaged in 2018."
“Atheists Are the Most Politically Active Group in the United States.” Religion in Public, 13 Apr. 2020, https://religioninpublic.blog/2020/04/13/atheists-are-the-most-politically-active-group-in-the-united-states/.
They have tried to split non-believers into many different denominations in order to make it look like we're small in number, but agnostic, atheist, unsure, nonthing, no opinion, Irreligious, Antitheist, and all others, are all atheists. The term atheist is literally: “a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods," and if you do not have a firm belief, or you question that a god exists, then that person is not affiliated with religion. If I told you that I was unsure that you exist, and after having just met you, you'd have doubts about my own perception of reality; whearas those with religion see others that do not believe in a magical sky fairy to be insane, and brain damaged. I do not think this is nice, just because they can't answer their questions with legitimate evidence.
This was citing a paper from 30 years ago:
The number of atheists and agnostics found in common surveys tends to be quite low since, for instance, according to the 2019 Pew Research Center survey they were 3.1% and 4% respectively[7] and according to the 2014 General Social Survey they were 4% and 5% respectively.[28]
Get it together and CHECK YOUR SOURCES. READ THEM. COMPREHEND THEM. DO NOT JUST ACCEPT THEM BECAUSE THEY EXIST.
The archived link of this shall be shared. 107.115.207.35 ( talk) 05:11, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
This entire article needs to be rewritten with the idea in mind that the word "Irreligion" is often used as a pejorative against people who are secular, and do not identify as having a preferred religion. As a secular individual, I find the term "Irreligious" highly offensive. It implies a negative, or lack of something. Although I do not have any religious preferences, I have my own belief system, that is essentially Empirical, Existential, Utilitarian, Pantheistic, and Egalitarian. I believe that the Universe is akin to a god with no consciousness, and we are all a part of it and connected at the subatomic level. Everything objective is explainable by science, while things that are subjective are explainable by philosophy. The Universe is all one thing. This is shown through data about quantum entanglement, and the fact that Energy is never lost, it only changes. It's all the same energy, even though all the particles have their own properties, at the basest level everything is energy, and it's all essentially the same energy just in a multitude of different states. I have Faith. My faith is that science can explain anything that is objective, and philosophy can explain that which is subjective. I have Faith in people, and in the principles of both science and morality. I have Faith in ideas such as compassion, empathy, logic, and love. So, when you call me "Irreligious", you are Implying that I lack something that religious people do not, and that is not true. I am simply secular, and I wish to be represented as "Secular" and not "Irreligious". Fantredath ( talk) 06:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
The article should reflect latest polls according to which "nones" comprise 28% of the population, up from 16% in polls from 2007. </nowiki> Chernorizets ( talk) 08:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)