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Created by An anonymous username, not my real name ( talk). Self-nominated at 20:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Solid article, no major issues; and makes me appreciate living in my country (although I technically don't identify as an atheist, I value having the freedom to choose). However, per DYK rules, the citation for the hook needs to be directly after the sentence end. You can simply repeat it there, then I'll approve. – LordPeterII ( talk) 17:35, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact.So I didn't mean this nomination page, but the article. I did the change in this edit, so now it's correct. I just wanted to point out that this is required, mainly so it's easier to check that the hook is actually accurate per the source(s).
I have concerns about this article's neutrality.
Ex-Muslims are often threatened with murder and other forms of violence, often rape for ex-Muslim women". But the source actually attributes this to a single person "Nurulhuda" (not her actual name). When the source doesn't say something in its voice, how can we say that in wikivoice? This statement is also under "official status" - yet there is no indication that Malaysia officially sanctions death and rape threats against ex-Muslims.
Christian pastor Raymond Koh has been detained since February 2017". What's that got to do with irreligion in Malaysia? This is also an example of WP:SYNTH given that the user used a source that connected intolerance of atheists to intolerance of Christians, and another source that connected intolerance of Christians to detention of Raymond Koh to conclude that this detention was related to intolerance of atheists.
Another 60% support fatal stoning as penalty for adultery." This is also of dubious relevance to this article.
[ Najib Razak ] also refused to allow Muslims the right to apostasy". This is misleading. The source says that Razak said "We will not tolerate any demands or right to apostasy by Muslims." There is no indication in the source that Razak passed any legislation or policy that banned conversion out of Islam in Malaysia. A better wording would be that "Najib Razak stated that..."
VR talk 00:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
While atheism is not technically illegal in the country, non-Muslims, atheist or otherwise, as well as Muslims who do not follow the Sunni tradition, are widely persecuted, due to laws against blasphemy." Where is the source that says all non-Muslims are "widely persecuted" in Malaysia? Or that non-Sunni Muslims are "widely persecuted" in Malaysia? VR talk 05:29, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
accused me of being biased". My comments are strictly related to the content. And not all verifiable content belongs on wikipedia (see WP:VNOT). So the opinion of one unnamed and unnotable individual, though published in an RS, may not be WP:DUE for this article. Also the claim that non-Muslims are "widely persecuted" in Malaysia is WP:EXCEPTIONAL and would require strong sourcing. Even then, we'd need to be specific about what kind of persecution they are facing, as "widely persecuted" can have a range of meanings. VR talk 13:33, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
A fact from Irreligion in Malaysia appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 4 November 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The result was: promoted by
Kavyansh.Singh (
talk) 20:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
Created by An anonymous username, not my real name ( talk). Self-nominated at 20:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook eligibility:
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: Solid article, no major issues; and makes me appreciate living in my country (although I technically don't identify as an atheist, I value having the freedom to choose). However, per DYK rules, the citation for the hook needs to be directly after the sentence end. You can simply repeat it there, then I'll approve. – LordPeterII ( talk) 17:35, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact.So I didn't mean this nomination page, but the article. I did the change in this edit, so now it's correct. I just wanted to point out that this is required, mainly so it's easier to check that the hook is actually accurate per the source(s).
I have concerns about this article's neutrality.
Ex-Muslims are often threatened with murder and other forms of violence, often rape for ex-Muslim women". But the source actually attributes this to a single person "Nurulhuda" (not her actual name). When the source doesn't say something in its voice, how can we say that in wikivoice? This statement is also under "official status" - yet there is no indication that Malaysia officially sanctions death and rape threats against ex-Muslims.
Christian pastor Raymond Koh has been detained since February 2017". What's that got to do with irreligion in Malaysia? This is also an example of WP:SYNTH given that the user used a source that connected intolerance of atheists to intolerance of Christians, and another source that connected intolerance of Christians to detention of Raymond Koh to conclude that this detention was related to intolerance of atheists.
Another 60% support fatal stoning as penalty for adultery." This is also of dubious relevance to this article.
[ Najib Razak ] also refused to allow Muslims the right to apostasy". This is misleading. The source says that Razak said "We will not tolerate any demands or right to apostasy by Muslims." There is no indication in the source that Razak passed any legislation or policy that banned conversion out of Islam in Malaysia. A better wording would be that "Najib Razak stated that..."
VR talk 00:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
While atheism is not technically illegal in the country, non-Muslims, atheist or otherwise, as well as Muslims who do not follow the Sunni tradition, are widely persecuted, due to laws against blasphemy." Where is the source that says all non-Muslims are "widely persecuted" in Malaysia? Or that non-Sunni Muslims are "widely persecuted" in Malaysia? VR talk 05:29, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
accused me of being biased". My comments are strictly related to the content. And not all verifiable content belongs on wikipedia (see WP:VNOT). So the opinion of one unnamed and unnotable individual, though published in an RS, may not be WP:DUE for this article. Also the claim that non-Muslims are "widely persecuted" in Malaysia is WP:EXCEPTIONAL and would require strong sourcing. Even then, we'd need to be specific about what kind of persecution they are facing, as "widely persecuted" can have a range of meanings. VR talk 13:33, 4 November 2022 (UTC)