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The Burmese chronicles clearly point out the influence of pre-Buddhist India on Burma. It is likely that when the first people from the India came upon the region and the river, populated by a large number of elephants for which Burma even today is famously known, it would have been natural for them to name the long river which watered these elephants as Airawathy, after the Hindu Lord Indra's large elephant Airawath. In fact it is likely that the peopling of Burma from other places to the North and East/South East of the country, destroyed the original Hinduised people of the country along with all culturo-lingual traditions just as this happened elsewhere in Siam, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and Indonesia. In the case of Burma, the Buddhist religious influence too would have sought to wipe out all traces of Hindu culturo-religious influence on the place that pre-dated it. It is ridiculous that people speak of "authoritative sources" when such sources are stuff written by early European visitors to the region with little grounding in formal education or exposure and understanding to the culture and languages of the place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheOnlyEmperor ( talk • contribs) 11:15, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
There is no Sanskrit term airavati that I can find, though there is a clear reference to Iravati, who is also associated with a river. Airavata is her son. I am changing the article accordingly. Imc 17:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
You're right about the problems with the etymology of the Ayeyarwady, but the strict translation of the Sanskrit term is "Erawati", not "Iravati": "a strict transliteration of the Myanmar spelling would result in "Erawati" and not "Iravati" because, as far as I am aware it begins with the vowel "e" rather than the vowel "i". This is a crucial lead in tracing the etymology of the name of this particular river.' U San Lwin, in a written reaction to a Japanese letter asking about the etymology of the Ayeyarwady, 22 Feb, 1999. To my best knowlegde, U San Lwin is Pro-rector of the institute of forestry /Forest Department in Myanmar. [1]
You can read San Lwin's respons in it's entirity here: http://www.myanmar.gov.mm/Perspective/persp1999/2-99/aye.htm
A few interesting excerpts: In the "Buddha Sasanika Pathavivan Kyam:" (a gazetter of place names associated with Buddhism) written by Maha Thera Taung Bauk Sayadaw in Myanmar, we find the Pali name of the Ravi rendered in Myanmar script, the equivalent of which in romanised Pali would be "eravati". From the above it can be concluded that the Myanmar name of Ayeyarwady (formerly transliterated as Irrawaddy) is derived from the ancient name of the Ravi in Panjab, but through its Pali, rather than its Sanskrit form.
And: Finally, whatever connotations the stem "era" may have in Sanskrit or Pali, by its association with the great river which runs through the geographical centre of the country it has come to mean, bigness, centrality, dominance or in poetic usage, a river, in the Myanmar language. I'm the writer of the Ayeyarwady article on the Dutch Wikipedia, which you can find here, and it has a lot more information and details than it's English equivalent. If you writers don't mind me trying, I can expand this article too. PimRijkee ( talk) 14:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
The article states that the only bridge for a long time was the Inwa Bridge, yet the picture's caption states that its the Ava Bridge. - cgilbert( talk| contribs) 23:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I've done some research on the etymology of the Ayeyarwady River, and added some clarity. I've only used clear, reliable sources, but review from a native speaker would be welcome. Additional links on my userpage (scroll down, 'extra links added for research'). Please discuss before changing big parts, okay? Thanks, Pim Rijkee ( talk) 14:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I stumbled upon a reference that I think justifies listing the Mali river as main source river at the confluence with the N'mai Kha. In the book Rivers of the World by Penn I read that locals call the N'mai Kha Irrawaddy, although it is the smaller branch of the two at the confluence. I added this information in the article, and references to Penn's work in the article and infobox. Pim Rijkee ( talk) 21:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I've found a rather in-depth report on the biodiversity in the Delta region here. My idea is to add it to the (yet to be written..) Ayeyerwady river fauna section, rather than in the Irrawaddy Delta article with only a brief mention here in the main river article. After all, this is the 'main' page, and as the delta is obviously part of the river, the fauna in it deserves full attention here as well. If someone doesn't want to see it here but instead only on the Delta page, please say so. It'll take me a few days to put everything together anyway. Cheers, Pim Rijkee ( talk) 00:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was river article moved, division article not moved. — harej ( talk) 10:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
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MSNBC:
Irrawaddy Division 1 result [2]
Ayeyarwady Division 0 results [3]
BBC.co.uk:
Irrawaddy Division 1 result [4]
Ayeyarwady Division 0 results [5]
New York Times:
Irrawaddy Division 201 results [6]
Ayeyarwady Division 0 results [7]
- non had results on Ayeyarwady Division. Or Ayeyarwady for that matter. The single results at the other sites were relevant. Of the 201 results at nytimes.com, most were on military divisions, but I saw at least one that was relevant. Google has 56.700 results on Irrawaddy Division, 22.600 on Ayeyarwady Division. It seems Irrawaddy Division is more widely used in English. Pim Rijkee ( talk) 21:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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It is unclear where the discharge data comes from. The source to the 2010 newspaper (1711newsn.pdf) is bogus. There is nothing written in it about the Irrawaddy. The numbers were most likely blind copied from the Encyclopedia Britannica. However, they appear already in Gresswell, R.K. and Huxley A.J. "Standard encyclopedia of the world's rivers and lakes", 1920, pp. 124 in 1966 reprint. I suggest to reference to it. Since the data is more than 100 years old, it would also be worthwhile to find a publication with more recent data. -- Pia novice ( talk) 11:42, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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The Burmese chronicles clearly point out the influence of pre-Buddhist India on Burma. It is likely that when the first people from the India came upon the region and the river, populated by a large number of elephants for which Burma even today is famously known, it would have been natural for them to name the long river which watered these elephants as Airawathy, after the Hindu Lord Indra's large elephant Airawath. In fact it is likely that the peopling of Burma from other places to the North and East/South East of the country, destroyed the original Hinduised people of the country along with all culturo-lingual traditions just as this happened elsewhere in Siam, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and Indonesia. In the case of Burma, the Buddhist religious influence too would have sought to wipe out all traces of Hindu culturo-religious influence on the place that pre-dated it. It is ridiculous that people speak of "authoritative sources" when such sources are stuff written by early European visitors to the region with little grounding in formal education or exposure and understanding to the culture and languages of the place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheOnlyEmperor ( talk • contribs) 11:15, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
There is no Sanskrit term airavati that I can find, though there is a clear reference to Iravati, who is also associated with a river. Airavata is her son. I am changing the article accordingly. Imc 17:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
You're right about the problems with the etymology of the Ayeyarwady, but the strict translation of the Sanskrit term is "Erawati", not "Iravati": "a strict transliteration of the Myanmar spelling would result in "Erawati" and not "Iravati" because, as far as I am aware it begins with the vowel "e" rather than the vowel "i". This is a crucial lead in tracing the etymology of the name of this particular river.' U San Lwin, in a written reaction to a Japanese letter asking about the etymology of the Ayeyarwady, 22 Feb, 1999. To my best knowlegde, U San Lwin is Pro-rector of the institute of forestry /Forest Department in Myanmar. [1]
You can read San Lwin's respons in it's entirity here: http://www.myanmar.gov.mm/Perspective/persp1999/2-99/aye.htm
A few interesting excerpts: In the "Buddha Sasanika Pathavivan Kyam:" (a gazetter of place names associated with Buddhism) written by Maha Thera Taung Bauk Sayadaw in Myanmar, we find the Pali name of the Ravi rendered in Myanmar script, the equivalent of which in romanised Pali would be "eravati". From the above it can be concluded that the Myanmar name of Ayeyarwady (formerly transliterated as Irrawaddy) is derived from the ancient name of the Ravi in Panjab, but through its Pali, rather than its Sanskrit form.
And: Finally, whatever connotations the stem "era" may have in Sanskrit or Pali, by its association with the great river which runs through the geographical centre of the country it has come to mean, bigness, centrality, dominance or in poetic usage, a river, in the Myanmar language. I'm the writer of the Ayeyarwady article on the Dutch Wikipedia, which you can find here, and it has a lot more information and details than it's English equivalent. If you writers don't mind me trying, I can expand this article too. PimRijkee ( talk) 14:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
The article states that the only bridge for a long time was the Inwa Bridge, yet the picture's caption states that its the Ava Bridge. - cgilbert( talk| contribs) 23:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I've done some research on the etymology of the Ayeyarwady River, and added some clarity. I've only used clear, reliable sources, but review from a native speaker would be welcome. Additional links on my userpage (scroll down, 'extra links added for research'). Please discuss before changing big parts, okay? Thanks, Pim Rijkee ( talk) 14:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I stumbled upon a reference that I think justifies listing the Mali river as main source river at the confluence with the N'mai Kha. In the book Rivers of the World by Penn I read that locals call the N'mai Kha Irrawaddy, although it is the smaller branch of the two at the confluence. I added this information in the article, and references to Penn's work in the article and infobox. Pim Rijkee ( talk) 21:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I've found a rather in-depth report on the biodiversity in the Delta region here. My idea is to add it to the (yet to be written..) Ayeyerwady river fauna section, rather than in the Irrawaddy Delta article with only a brief mention here in the main river article. After all, this is the 'main' page, and as the delta is obviously part of the river, the fauna in it deserves full attention here as well. If someone doesn't want to see it here but instead only on the Delta page, please say so. It'll take me a few days to put everything together anyway. Cheers, Pim Rijkee ( talk) 00:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was river article moved, division article not moved. — harej ( talk) 10:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Ayeyarwady River →
Irrawaddy River - Irrawaddy is more common, and uniformity is needed. E.g., the Delta article already uses 'Irrawaddy'. Please read the discussion at
talk:Irrawaddy Delta.
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MSNBC:
Irrawaddy Division 1 result [2]
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Irrawaddy Division 1 result [4]
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New York Times:
Irrawaddy Division 201 results [6]
Ayeyarwady Division 0 results [7]
- non had results on Ayeyarwady Division. Or Ayeyarwady for that matter. The single results at the other sites were relevant. Of the 201 results at nytimes.com, most were on military divisions, but I saw at least one that was relevant. Google has 56.700 results on Irrawaddy Division, 22.600 on Ayeyarwady Division. It seems Irrawaddy Division is more widely used in English. Pim Rijkee ( talk) 21:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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It is unclear where the discharge data comes from. The source to the 2010 newspaper (1711newsn.pdf) is bogus. There is nothing written in it about the Irrawaddy. The numbers were most likely blind copied from the Encyclopedia Britannica. However, they appear already in Gresswell, R.K. and Huxley A.J. "Standard encyclopedia of the world's rivers and lakes", 1920, pp. 124 in 1966 reprint. I suggest to reference to it. Since the data is more than 100 years old, it would also be worthwhile to find a publication with more recent data. -- Pia novice ( talk) 11:42, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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