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Correct me if I'm wrong but punt isn't Irish language for pound. Its simply a nickname that the Irish pound was given by British economists to differenciate from sterling after the two broke parity in 1979 when Ireland joined ERM.
Is dóigh liom go bhfuil tú mícheart faoi sin, agus is punt an Ghaeilge ar pound.
I'm pretty certain you are wrong, certainly punt is what we use in Irish for "pound" - including, I believe, the pound sterling.
Now I will admit, that I'm not sure that Punt was ever an "official" title for the Irish Pound.
zoney ▓ ▒ talk 08:32, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Yes,Punt is the Erse word for 'Pound'.It is first recorded on the banknotes issued by the Currency Commission Irish Free State.Its plural changes depending on the number of Pounds.The Erse language is in the same family of languages as Scots-Gaelic & Manx.I have never referred to the Irish pre-Euro currency as the Punt.I just call it the Irish Pound, just for the sake of convenience,& besides,I am fiercely pro-English, even though I am of Scots descent. ( Aidan Work 01:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC))
Erse? Tá úsáid an fhocail sin i dtaca leis an n Gaeilge nó le Gaeilge na hAlban mícheart agus an-dímheasúil. Ó ham a bhí airgeadra na hÉireann scoilta amach, tá na daoine tar éis an focal "punt" a úsáid. Ar na notaí banic dhátheangacha is déanaí úsáideadh an focal "pound" ar taobh an Bhéarla agus "Punt" ar taobh na Gaeilge. Maidir leis an reachtaíocht, úsáideadh "Irish pound" ann sna leagain Bhéarla agus "Punt na hÉireann" i leagain na Gaeilge. Agus "fiercely pro-English"?! imigh sa diabhal! (Erse? The use of that word to refer to either Irish or Gaelic is highly disrespectful. Since the introduction of Irish currency the use of the word punt was always used. On the latest bilingual bank notes "Pound" was used on the English side, "Punt" on the Irish side. In terms of legislation, Irish Pound is used in the English versions, Punt na hÉireann in Irish versions. And "fiercely pro-English"?! Go to hell) Jamesnp 13:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
It is my intention that any material not purely on the Irish Pound but rather general coinage material will be placed in the article Coinage of the Republic of Ireland. This article will be one, among many. Djegan 15:39, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This section to the article seems very opinionated. I personally, never thought there was anything wrong with the pound coin and never heard anyone else complain about it. In latter years I didn't really notice that many vending machines or other coin operated devices not being able to handle pound coins (to try and avoid people using old pennies), though I can't remember the case of coin phones.
And pound coins "tarnish" easily? I think not. They did appear to dent easily around the edges and possibly get scrathed more easily than other coins, but they weren't really much worse than 50p coins in those aspects. They never went discoloured or anything like the gold and bronze coloured coins. If you want coins that tarnish easily, go to Kenya! I have some coins I got from there in 1992 - all of them have corroded significantly since then. I've never seen an Irish coin corrode like that unless in constant contact with water.
Also, does anyone know when exactly the ha'penny coins went out of circulation? -- Zilog Jones 02:19, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This section is not neutrally titled. It is POV by definition. It is not encyclopedic no matter how much you hated the coin.
-- Sorry, completely wrong about the animal. It doesn't have palmate antlers.
Djegan you are absolutely right, and I apologize for being so rude. Ben-w 09:26, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
I will be creating an article called 'Coins of Ireland',which will deal with all Irish coinage from the issues of the Hiberno-Norse Kingdom of Dublin right through to the Euro coinage.I will provide explainations why I divide the modern Irish coinage into their periods. ( Aidan Work 01:27, 11 November 2005 (UTC))
Hi,Arwel,I have written the article,which deals with all Irish coinage,not just those issued by the Republic.I have also done an article called 'Coins of Ulster',as Ulster did have a few coins,& besides, there is a lot of interest in the history of the troubled British nation of Ulster. ( Aidan Work 04:46, 11 November 2005 (UTC))
Djegan,My article is dealing with all the coins of Ireland, as I am a strong believer in listing things in order on the basis of continuity.I have also differentiated between the different periods of Irish coinage.Did you know that modern Irish coinage (even those issued by the post-1949 Republic) are popular with collectors of British Commonwealth coins, given the fact that the ties between Ireland & the British Commonwealth are still very strong? - ( Aidan Work 00:29, 13 November 2005 (UTC))
I have reverted the most recent edits to the article regarding terminology used. Throughout the development of Irish coinage since the 1920s English has been consistantly used to define the denominations of the currency. The Currency Act, 1927 (Section 4) created the Saorstát pound and this was modified by the Currency Act, 1927, Adaptation Order, 1938 to rename it as the "Irish pound".
Furthur acts reinforced this use of English to define the denomination of the currency [3], [4], [5]. Indeed a quick google of the Irish Statute Book does not definitively define the meaning of the term "punt" in any returned results. The use of Irish with the currency is largely just a presentation of designs which incorporate Irish inscriptions or words on them but the legal terminology is clearly in English terms when it becomes a matter of the law. In the English language the Irish words are not and were not widely used. This in mind the use of "punt" (or corressponding Irish words for subdenominations of the currency) as the English name is incorrect. Djegan 17:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
1. The Irish language as the national language is the first official language.
2. The English language is recognised as a second official language.
3. Provision may, however, be made by law for the exclusive use of either of the said languages for any one or more official purposes, either throughout the State or in any part thereof.
A quick read of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics/Style reveals a fair number of people who view Dove1950's views on "local names" as extreme. See some fallout at Talk:Dutch gulden for example. I don't think a principal concocted by a small number of project-specific Wikipedians can be unleashed on the rest of us without a bit of inclusion in the debate. For that matter, Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles) has a fair amount of discussion of when to use English and when to use Irish. What happens when an article falls into the domain of two different groups, with incompatible style guides? This is why we have general, Wikipedia-wide guidelines; this is also where common sense can be useful.
As regards the particular "use local names" convention, I can't find a detailed description on of what that means. The policy currently states:
Use the local name for the denomination even if there's an English translation (e.g., Czech koruna, not Czech crown). If the currency name contains non-ASCII characters, use them (e.g., Polish złoty). Be sure to include a redirect from the ASCII version (e.g., Polish zloty)
- Use local grammar for plural form (i.e. 1000 yen, not 1000 yens)
- Known exception includes
- All different rubles, even though it is spelled рубль, рубель, and рубл in Russian, Belarusian, and Tajik. And no transliteration standards will result in "ruble".
- Finnish mark (spelled markka in Finnish)
- Swiss franc (spelled Frank in German, spoken by 64% of Swiss)
- Plural Yugoslavian dinar is spelled dinars for the duration when Yugoslavia was multi-lingual
I draw your attention to the exceptions.
"Irish pound" should be added as an "exception" and this whole debate can go away. jnestorius( talk) 02:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
It does not really matter that Irish is the first official language of the state because English is the second official language and the constitution also says in that Article 8.3 "Provision may, however, be made by law for the exclusive use of either of the said languages for any one or more official purposes, either throughout the State or in any part thereof." The law regarding the "Irish pound" as a currency has only given an English name, theirfore English takes precidence. Djegan 09:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Though related to the preceding section, this is really a distinct point. It is a fact, not mentioned in the current text, that at times "punt" was used colloquially in English, as when British tourists discussed "how many punts to the pound [sterling]", or when financial analysts (including Irish ones) said "the punt fell on Wall Street this evening". As mere shorthand for "Irish pound", this does not influence the choice of name for the article; but it does deserve a sentence or two, if someone has sources. Presumably, as suggested at the top of this Talk: page, this usage dates from the end of the currency union in 1979. jnestorius( talk) 20:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm
jnestorius( talk) 17:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
We all too often in wikipedia slavishly let guidelines muddy the facts on the ground; their is an exception to every rule (mind you guidelines are not compulsory, they are convention by consenus that maybe dispensed when appropriate). Let me make it clear the official name of the currency in English is "Irish pound" and the name in Irish is "punt"; we are not discussing the variation on names on coins or banknotes because their are other articles for that. And we are not going to introduce made-up names in the article and thats the end of it, because if it does not reach WP:VERIFY then its getting removed. Djegan 17:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
This is an old topic. If we want to generalize, allow me to further complicate the situation. The currency of Lebanon is written in Arabic and French. Only Arabic is the official language. Now that the article name is livre based on the ground that livre is the only Latin script used on the physical currency, even though the central bank's web pages in English use "pound". The most commonly spoken language in Switzerland is German, and franc in German is Frank, always capitalized. What do you make of Belgian franc and Luxembourgish franc. What about a provisional currency Yugoslav krone, which was initially overprinted on Austro-Hungarian krone? Ireland is a unique case, as the first official language is not the most commonly spoken language. See also List of multilingual countries and regions. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 00:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
If I read this article correctly, this currency was introduced in 1928. I'm no expert of Irish currency. But if that info is true, shouldn't that be in the intro instead of being buried down somewhere?
What is this? It's listed under Republic of Ireland.
Can I say that there were no banknotes issued in what are now Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland before the independence of the Republic? -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 21:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
So if I make these changes
They wouldn't be ambiguous or incorrect? I will leave Banknotes of Ireland alone. I'm not sure what to do with Banknotes of Northern Ireland. Banknotes of the Northern Irish pound sterling is a bit awkward. It might be too short to stand on its own. Banknotes of the pound sterling actually has more info. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 09:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
And also WP:UCS ww2censor 21:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted this article twice recently because the edits are not acceptable. They are not acceptable because terminology used constitutes original research, which is not permitted per WP:NOR. Also the issue was discussed at lenght on this talk page, which is so documented, theirfore editors cannot make the claim that they are not aware of the situation as they were party to it and theirfore are not entitled to any period to backup their claims. If they want to add disputted claims then citations should be added at the same time (and not the claim that it is not the original research to coin - no pun intented - new terms).
First of all the term "Irish pound" by which the currency is universally known is been gradually written out of the article without even the pretense of a move request. Secondly the susbstantial issue of original research, which is not permissable, includes the terms "pound Irish" (which I have not heard before and I assume is simply a grammatical error) and "punt na hÉireann" (which can only be found twice by google and both time on wikipedias non-english content, and this would not be an acceptable citation per any fair implementation of WP:VERIFY).
And wildly altering the content of this article under these terms is not acceptable. Other material might be better in an article on history of Irish currencies or such as the Irish pound is not the same thing as historical Irish currencies. This article is an article about the Irish pound, it is not an article on the history of banknotes and coinage for which we have some other very informative articles that people (in the right mindset, i.e. no original research please) are welcome to contribute to. People, sources please. Djegan 23:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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Sorry this issue was discussed at lenght quite recently.
If you are concerned about the content of the article then you can request a citation at any time for any section or sentence (or part theirof), and in this instance, I will be happy to search for relevant citations (ultimately if I cannot find them then said disputed topics may very well need to be removed). This is because we have a set of policies, WP:NOR and WP:VERIFY, which require citations when requested if material is to be retained. But adding a request is not a frivolous matter, nor are reversions in lieu of no citation. If you want to remove sections en-masse because your recent comments seam to have flustered a few people thats your choice. So is the responsibility. Policies are not the same as a style guide, the latter which is negotiable. Djegan 00:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
By the way before I start teaching people about how to suck eggs (i.e. the painfully obvious) this article is about the Irish pound (as a currency), it is not about the detail of banknotes of the Republic of Ireland or coinage of the Republic of Ireland or indeed a history of Irish currencies for which Dove1950 edits are more appropriate to (notwithstanding his attempt to write out "Irish pound" and write in original research in this article).
The principal of subsidiarity. The whole reason for balanced sub-articles. Djegan 00:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
With respect to Dove1950 most recent edit [10] it is clear their a fundemental misunderstanding between "Irish pound" and currencies used in Ireland historically. Take for instance the sections "First Irish pound" and "Second Irish pound" - its simply never referred to as this, for all intents and purposes the Irish pound fell into obeyance during these eras but "Irish pound" was never used with any "first" or "second" qualifier to distingish its history. Secondly the inclusion of a major section "Pound sterling" section only backs up the claim that we are moving off topic (Irish pound) into new ground of an article on currencies historically used in Ireland. Stick to the topic, if people want to create a new article they are welcome but this article should not be a one-stop, blow-by-blow article for banknotes, coinage and history generally. Djegan 01:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I too have much respect for Djegan for upholding the policies. You kept saying "previous discussion" and "have written in depth". How previous? This talk section? This entire talk page? Some other talk page? This is a long talk page here. It would be nice if you pinpoint it. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 23:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Dove I have intensively discussed this issue with you. The consensus, see above, is clearly against what you are doing. Theirfore I will revert, without furthur comment. Djegan 23:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Djegan, you are avoiding my question. Why are you rejecting other parts of my edit, such as moving the succession box down?
And since we're on the subject of "First Irish pound" and "Second Irish pound", I'd like to ask, wasn't there a discontinuation of an independent Irish pound between 1826 to 1928, which the article states. I'm not making things up. These are merely descriptive title. Imagine if someone is running for president. What's wrong with section titles like "First attempt" and "Second attempt"? -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 01:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Great, it seems that we may achive some agreement. How about
-- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 02:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 19:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Two quotations from the article, separated by a section break and one paragraph, read respectively:
Right up until complete withdrawal of the Irish pound on February 9, 2002, those UK coins which were the same sizes and compositions as the corresponding Irish coins were accepted virtually everywhere in Ireland.
Until this exchange rate was necessary, UK currency was accepted in the Republic on a one-for-one basis by many institutions.
The exchange rate in question was introduced in 1979. 23 years intervene between the dates that it's claimed that UK currency was accepted as 1:1 until.
Both claims are sufficiently vague that they don't really contradict one another. The first claim doesn't say the coins were accepted at 1:1, but by saying it applies to coins with the same sizes and compositions, it does rather imply that.
And the second claim only refers to "many institutions" -- not whether the institutions were governmental or commercial, or whether they were large or small, nor what percentage of them "many" is. It also doesn't refer to only specific coins of the same sizes and compositions.
Nevertheless, this issue could use some elucidation. By whom, and for how long was UK currency accepted in Ireland, at 1:1 or otherwise? And which currency denominations were accepted? -- Armchairlinguist ( talk) 00:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
The breaking of parity between IR£P and STG£ meant that STG£ in circulation (mainly coin) had a greater value. many people set aside STG£ coin for using in the UK. The amount of coin that could be set aside this way declined over time and as different coin configurations were introduced in the respective countries. In 2002 most IR£ coin collected by the Central Bank was exported to the UK Royal Mint where it was reminted/ pressed (or what ever) where compatible with existing STG£ coin. As I write I have no source but recall it being reported on RTE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cobalt69 ( talk • contribs) 01:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
The first article after the introduction states "The first Irish coinage was introduced in 1897..."
It then goes on to discuss related events occurring in the 1180s, 1460, etc. Is that first date intended to be 1097? or just 897? Any ideas? Any references? I'm confused. -- Pigsmoke ( talk) 16:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
The suggestion that prices "rarely had been" improperly inflated at the euro changeover is complete nonsense. Everyone and his dog knows the prices were rounded up; £1 became €1.50, £10 became €13, and even penny sweets went up to 2c. Stifle ( talk) 13:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Local reports are suggesting that the Irish government has started to print the Punt again in preparation for leaving the Euro.
Looks like the entire Eurozone is going to collapse soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.93.191 ( talk) 09:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
The Irish Punt in Irish Gaelic was Punt Éireannach. Also the punt was the official currency of Ireland until 31/12/2008. It was replaced by the Euro on 1/1/2009. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdocar ( talk • contribs) 05:02, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Would this be better as a separate article? For a long time the Irish pound was 12/13 of the English and it would do better as a separate page where the various coins, notes, banks, mintings etc. could be covered separte to the 1922-2002 pound. Like Pound Scots. Sheila1988 ( talk) 14:54, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
There are a few "Lang module errors" in this article. I don't have the knowledge to fix them. Please help to fix them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Llf ( talk • contribs) 01:46, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Can someone with more relevant experience write a paragraph about the Currency Board that was used to maintain IR£ /STG£ parity from 1927 to 1979. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cobalt69 ( talk • contribs) 00:55, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Someone should put in the article a description of how happened that the currency was given the name Pound/Punt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:5991:2D00:7CB6:7C96:E402:7F3B ( talk) 14:54, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone have any evidence to support the assertion that IR£ was used anywhere as an abbreviation for the IEP? (before the ISO 4217 made IEP a thing, of course.) On cheques, for example? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 21:02, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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Correct me if I'm wrong but punt isn't Irish language for pound. Its simply a nickname that the Irish pound was given by British economists to differenciate from sterling after the two broke parity in 1979 when Ireland joined ERM.
Is dóigh liom go bhfuil tú mícheart faoi sin, agus is punt an Ghaeilge ar pound.
I'm pretty certain you are wrong, certainly punt is what we use in Irish for "pound" - including, I believe, the pound sterling.
Now I will admit, that I'm not sure that Punt was ever an "official" title for the Irish Pound.
zoney ▓ ▒ talk 08:32, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Yes,Punt is the Erse word for 'Pound'.It is first recorded on the banknotes issued by the Currency Commission Irish Free State.Its plural changes depending on the number of Pounds.The Erse language is in the same family of languages as Scots-Gaelic & Manx.I have never referred to the Irish pre-Euro currency as the Punt.I just call it the Irish Pound, just for the sake of convenience,& besides,I am fiercely pro-English, even though I am of Scots descent. ( Aidan Work 01:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC))
Erse? Tá úsáid an fhocail sin i dtaca leis an n Gaeilge nó le Gaeilge na hAlban mícheart agus an-dímheasúil. Ó ham a bhí airgeadra na hÉireann scoilta amach, tá na daoine tar éis an focal "punt" a úsáid. Ar na notaí banic dhátheangacha is déanaí úsáideadh an focal "pound" ar taobh an Bhéarla agus "Punt" ar taobh na Gaeilge. Maidir leis an reachtaíocht, úsáideadh "Irish pound" ann sna leagain Bhéarla agus "Punt na hÉireann" i leagain na Gaeilge. Agus "fiercely pro-English"?! imigh sa diabhal! (Erse? The use of that word to refer to either Irish or Gaelic is highly disrespectful. Since the introduction of Irish currency the use of the word punt was always used. On the latest bilingual bank notes "Pound" was used on the English side, "Punt" on the Irish side. In terms of legislation, Irish Pound is used in the English versions, Punt na hÉireann in Irish versions. And "fiercely pro-English"?! Go to hell) Jamesnp 13:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
It is my intention that any material not purely on the Irish Pound but rather general coinage material will be placed in the article Coinage of the Republic of Ireland. This article will be one, among many. Djegan 15:39, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This section to the article seems very opinionated. I personally, never thought there was anything wrong with the pound coin and never heard anyone else complain about it. In latter years I didn't really notice that many vending machines or other coin operated devices not being able to handle pound coins (to try and avoid people using old pennies), though I can't remember the case of coin phones.
And pound coins "tarnish" easily? I think not. They did appear to dent easily around the edges and possibly get scrathed more easily than other coins, but they weren't really much worse than 50p coins in those aspects. They never went discoloured or anything like the gold and bronze coloured coins. If you want coins that tarnish easily, go to Kenya! I have some coins I got from there in 1992 - all of them have corroded significantly since then. I've never seen an Irish coin corrode like that unless in constant contact with water.
Also, does anyone know when exactly the ha'penny coins went out of circulation? -- Zilog Jones 02:19, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This section is not neutrally titled. It is POV by definition. It is not encyclopedic no matter how much you hated the coin.
-- Sorry, completely wrong about the animal. It doesn't have palmate antlers.
Djegan you are absolutely right, and I apologize for being so rude. Ben-w 09:26, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
I will be creating an article called 'Coins of Ireland',which will deal with all Irish coinage from the issues of the Hiberno-Norse Kingdom of Dublin right through to the Euro coinage.I will provide explainations why I divide the modern Irish coinage into their periods. ( Aidan Work 01:27, 11 November 2005 (UTC))
Hi,Arwel,I have written the article,which deals with all Irish coinage,not just those issued by the Republic.I have also done an article called 'Coins of Ulster',as Ulster did have a few coins,& besides, there is a lot of interest in the history of the troubled British nation of Ulster. ( Aidan Work 04:46, 11 November 2005 (UTC))
Djegan,My article is dealing with all the coins of Ireland, as I am a strong believer in listing things in order on the basis of continuity.I have also differentiated between the different periods of Irish coinage.Did you know that modern Irish coinage (even those issued by the post-1949 Republic) are popular with collectors of British Commonwealth coins, given the fact that the ties between Ireland & the British Commonwealth are still very strong? - ( Aidan Work 00:29, 13 November 2005 (UTC))
I have reverted the most recent edits to the article regarding terminology used. Throughout the development of Irish coinage since the 1920s English has been consistantly used to define the denominations of the currency. The Currency Act, 1927 (Section 4) created the Saorstát pound and this was modified by the Currency Act, 1927, Adaptation Order, 1938 to rename it as the "Irish pound".
Furthur acts reinforced this use of English to define the denomination of the currency [3], [4], [5]. Indeed a quick google of the Irish Statute Book does not definitively define the meaning of the term "punt" in any returned results. The use of Irish with the currency is largely just a presentation of designs which incorporate Irish inscriptions or words on them but the legal terminology is clearly in English terms when it becomes a matter of the law. In the English language the Irish words are not and were not widely used. This in mind the use of "punt" (or corressponding Irish words for subdenominations of the currency) as the English name is incorrect. Djegan 17:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
1. The Irish language as the national language is the first official language.
2. The English language is recognised as a second official language.
3. Provision may, however, be made by law for the exclusive use of either of the said languages for any one or more official purposes, either throughout the State or in any part thereof.
A quick read of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics/Style reveals a fair number of people who view Dove1950's views on "local names" as extreme. See some fallout at Talk:Dutch gulden for example. I don't think a principal concocted by a small number of project-specific Wikipedians can be unleashed on the rest of us without a bit of inclusion in the debate. For that matter, Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles) has a fair amount of discussion of when to use English and when to use Irish. What happens when an article falls into the domain of two different groups, with incompatible style guides? This is why we have general, Wikipedia-wide guidelines; this is also where common sense can be useful.
As regards the particular "use local names" convention, I can't find a detailed description on of what that means. The policy currently states:
Use the local name for the denomination even if there's an English translation (e.g., Czech koruna, not Czech crown). If the currency name contains non-ASCII characters, use them (e.g., Polish złoty). Be sure to include a redirect from the ASCII version (e.g., Polish zloty)
- Use local grammar for plural form (i.e. 1000 yen, not 1000 yens)
- Known exception includes
- All different rubles, even though it is spelled рубль, рубель, and рубл in Russian, Belarusian, and Tajik. And no transliteration standards will result in "ruble".
- Finnish mark (spelled markka in Finnish)
- Swiss franc (spelled Frank in German, spoken by 64% of Swiss)
- Plural Yugoslavian dinar is spelled dinars for the duration when Yugoslavia was multi-lingual
I draw your attention to the exceptions.
"Irish pound" should be added as an "exception" and this whole debate can go away. jnestorius( talk) 02:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
It does not really matter that Irish is the first official language of the state because English is the second official language and the constitution also says in that Article 8.3 "Provision may, however, be made by law for the exclusive use of either of the said languages for any one or more official purposes, either throughout the State or in any part thereof." The law regarding the "Irish pound" as a currency has only given an English name, theirfore English takes precidence. Djegan 09:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Though related to the preceding section, this is really a distinct point. It is a fact, not mentioned in the current text, that at times "punt" was used colloquially in English, as when British tourists discussed "how many punts to the pound [sterling]", or when financial analysts (including Irish ones) said "the punt fell on Wall Street this evening". As mere shorthand for "Irish pound", this does not influence the choice of name for the article; but it does deserve a sentence or two, if someone has sources. Presumably, as suggested at the top of this Talk: page, this usage dates from the end of the currency union in 1979. jnestorius( talk) 20:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm
jnestorius( talk) 17:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
We all too often in wikipedia slavishly let guidelines muddy the facts on the ground; their is an exception to every rule (mind you guidelines are not compulsory, they are convention by consenus that maybe dispensed when appropriate). Let me make it clear the official name of the currency in English is "Irish pound" and the name in Irish is "punt"; we are not discussing the variation on names on coins or banknotes because their are other articles for that. And we are not going to introduce made-up names in the article and thats the end of it, because if it does not reach WP:VERIFY then its getting removed. Djegan 17:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
This is an old topic. If we want to generalize, allow me to further complicate the situation. The currency of Lebanon is written in Arabic and French. Only Arabic is the official language. Now that the article name is livre based on the ground that livre is the only Latin script used on the physical currency, even though the central bank's web pages in English use "pound". The most commonly spoken language in Switzerland is German, and franc in German is Frank, always capitalized. What do you make of Belgian franc and Luxembourgish franc. What about a provisional currency Yugoslav krone, which was initially overprinted on Austro-Hungarian krone? Ireland is a unique case, as the first official language is not the most commonly spoken language. See also List of multilingual countries and regions. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 00:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
If I read this article correctly, this currency was introduced in 1928. I'm no expert of Irish currency. But if that info is true, shouldn't that be in the intro instead of being buried down somewhere?
What is this? It's listed under Republic of Ireland.
Can I say that there were no banknotes issued in what are now Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland before the independence of the Republic? -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 21:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
So if I make these changes
They wouldn't be ambiguous or incorrect? I will leave Banknotes of Ireland alone. I'm not sure what to do with Banknotes of Northern Ireland. Banknotes of the Northern Irish pound sterling is a bit awkward. It might be too short to stand on its own. Banknotes of the pound sterling actually has more info. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 09:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
And also WP:UCS ww2censor 21:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted this article twice recently because the edits are not acceptable. They are not acceptable because terminology used constitutes original research, which is not permitted per WP:NOR. Also the issue was discussed at lenght on this talk page, which is so documented, theirfore editors cannot make the claim that they are not aware of the situation as they were party to it and theirfore are not entitled to any period to backup their claims. If they want to add disputted claims then citations should be added at the same time (and not the claim that it is not the original research to coin - no pun intented - new terms).
First of all the term "Irish pound" by which the currency is universally known is been gradually written out of the article without even the pretense of a move request. Secondly the susbstantial issue of original research, which is not permissable, includes the terms "pound Irish" (which I have not heard before and I assume is simply a grammatical error) and "punt na hÉireann" (which can only be found twice by google and both time on wikipedias non-english content, and this would not be an acceptable citation per any fair implementation of WP:VERIFY).
And wildly altering the content of this article under these terms is not acceptable. Other material might be better in an article on history of Irish currencies or such as the Irish pound is not the same thing as historical Irish currencies. This article is an article about the Irish pound, it is not an article on the history of banknotes and coinage for which we have some other very informative articles that people (in the right mindset, i.e. no original research please) are welcome to contribute to. People, sources please. Djegan 23:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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Sorry this issue was discussed at lenght quite recently.
If you are concerned about the content of the article then you can request a citation at any time for any section or sentence (or part theirof), and in this instance, I will be happy to search for relevant citations (ultimately if I cannot find them then said disputed topics may very well need to be removed). This is because we have a set of policies, WP:NOR and WP:VERIFY, which require citations when requested if material is to be retained. But adding a request is not a frivolous matter, nor are reversions in lieu of no citation. If you want to remove sections en-masse because your recent comments seam to have flustered a few people thats your choice. So is the responsibility. Policies are not the same as a style guide, the latter which is negotiable. Djegan 00:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
By the way before I start teaching people about how to suck eggs (i.e. the painfully obvious) this article is about the Irish pound (as a currency), it is not about the detail of banknotes of the Republic of Ireland or coinage of the Republic of Ireland or indeed a history of Irish currencies for which Dove1950 edits are more appropriate to (notwithstanding his attempt to write out "Irish pound" and write in original research in this article).
The principal of subsidiarity. The whole reason for balanced sub-articles. Djegan 00:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
With respect to Dove1950 most recent edit [10] it is clear their a fundemental misunderstanding between "Irish pound" and currencies used in Ireland historically. Take for instance the sections "First Irish pound" and "Second Irish pound" - its simply never referred to as this, for all intents and purposes the Irish pound fell into obeyance during these eras but "Irish pound" was never used with any "first" or "second" qualifier to distingish its history. Secondly the inclusion of a major section "Pound sterling" section only backs up the claim that we are moving off topic (Irish pound) into new ground of an article on currencies historically used in Ireland. Stick to the topic, if people want to create a new article they are welcome but this article should not be a one-stop, blow-by-blow article for banknotes, coinage and history generally. Djegan 01:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I too have much respect for Djegan for upholding the policies. You kept saying "previous discussion" and "have written in depth". How previous? This talk section? This entire talk page? Some other talk page? This is a long talk page here. It would be nice if you pinpoint it. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 23:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Dove I have intensively discussed this issue with you. The consensus, see above, is clearly against what you are doing. Theirfore I will revert, without furthur comment. Djegan 23:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Djegan, you are avoiding my question. Why are you rejecting other parts of my edit, such as moving the succession box down?
And since we're on the subject of "First Irish pound" and "Second Irish pound", I'd like to ask, wasn't there a discontinuation of an independent Irish pound between 1826 to 1928, which the article states. I'm not making things up. These are merely descriptive title. Imagine if someone is running for president. What's wrong with section titles like "First attempt" and "Second attempt"? -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 01:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Great, it seems that we may achive some agreement. How about
-- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 02:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 19:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Two quotations from the article, separated by a section break and one paragraph, read respectively:
Right up until complete withdrawal of the Irish pound on February 9, 2002, those UK coins which were the same sizes and compositions as the corresponding Irish coins were accepted virtually everywhere in Ireland.
Until this exchange rate was necessary, UK currency was accepted in the Republic on a one-for-one basis by many institutions.
The exchange rate in question was introduced in 1979. 23 years intervene between the dates that it's claimed that UK currency was accepted as 1:1 until.
Both claims are sufficiently vague that they don't really contradict one another. The first claim doesn't say the coins were accepted at 1:1, but by saying it applies to coins with the same sizes and compositions, it does rather imply that.
And the second claim only refers to "many institutions" -- not whether the institutions were governmental or commercial, or whether they were large or small, nor what percentage of them "many" is. It also doesn't refer to only specific coins of the same sizes and compositions.
Nevertheless, this issue could use some elucidation. By whom, and for how long was UK currency accepted in Ireland, at 1:1 or otherwise? And which currency denominations were accepted? -- Armchairlinguist ( talk) 00:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
The breaking of parity between IR£P and STG£ meant that STG£ in circulation (mainly coin) had a greater value. many people set aside STG£ coin for using in the UK. The amount of coin that could be set aside this way declined over time and as different coin configurations were introduced in the respective countries. In 2002 most IR£ coin collected by the Central Bank was exported to the UK Royal Mint where it was reminted/ pressed (or what ever) where compatible with existing STG£ coin. As I write I have no source but recall it being reported on RTE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cobalt69 ( talk • contribs) 01:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
The first article after the introduction states "The first Irish coinage was introduced in 1897..."
It then goes on to discuss related events occurring in the 1180s, 1460, etc. Is that first date intended to be 1097? or just 897? Any ideas? Any references? I'm confused. -- Pigsmoke ( talk) 16:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
The suggestion that prices "rarely had been" improperly inflated at the euro changeover is complete nonsense. Everyone and his dog knows the prices were rounded up; £1 became €1.50, £10 became €13, and even penny sweets went up to 2c. Stifle ( talk) 13:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Local reports are suggesting that the Irish government has started to print the Punt again in preparation for leaving the Euro.
Looks like the entire Eurozone is going to collapse soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.93.191 ( talk) 09:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
The Irish Punt in Irish Gaelic was Punt Éireannach. Also the punt was the official currency of Ireland until 31/12/2008. It was replaced by the Euro on 1/1/2009. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdocar ( talk • contribs) 05:02, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Would this be better as a separate article? For a long time the Irish pound was 12/13 of the English and it would do better as a separate page where the various coins, notes, banks, mintings etc. could be covered separte to the 1922-2002 pound. Like Pound Scots. Sheila1988 ( talk) 14:54, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
There are a few "Lang module errors" in this article. I don't have the knowledge to fix them. Please help to fix them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Llf ( talk • contribs) 01:46, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Can someone with more relevant experience write a paragraph about the Currency Board that was used to maintain IR£ /STG£ parity from 1927 to 1979. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cobalt69 ( talk • contribs) 00:55, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Someone should put in the article a description of how happened that the currency was given the name Pound/Punt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:5991:2D00:7CB6:7C96:E402:7F3B ( talk) 14:54, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone have any evidence to support the assertion that IR£ was used anywhere as an abbreviation for the IEP? (before the ISO 4217 made IEP a thing, of course.) On cheques, for example? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 21:02, 15 May 2023 (UTC)