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I paased through Berlin airport today, and spotted a person carrying a GREEN covered Irish passport. This passport had light blue pages and did not have the European Union wording on the cover. Was this some kind of diplomatic passport?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.104.98 ( talk) 22:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I shall contact the border authorities of CEFTA countries, North Cyprus and Georgia to see what their stance on the passport card is. They claim to accept EU ID cards, but of course they need to have acknowledged the Irish card first.
Also I found this highly interesting: "Wider use of the Irish passport card for travel in future will be restricted to the small number of countries that issue e-Visas (such as Australia and Turkey) or that stamp entry on a separate piece of paper (such as Hong Kong or Israel).
Will these cards seriously be accepted in countries where other EU ID cards aren't, just because the Irish one is labelled "passport"? André Devecserii ( talk) 15:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
I have removed again, not in the references given and still containing OR. The section is becoming loaded with unsupported claims
"Unlike national identity cards issued in other parts of the EU, an Irish passport card can not be issued unless the bearer already has a valid passport booklet but, because of its convenient size and durable format compared to the Irish passport booklet, it will also serve purposes similar to that of national identity cards in other parts of the EU: identity and age verification, and intra-EU travel. (Passports are not required de jure within the EU, but passport booklets were previously required de facto for Irish citizens as there is no Irish government ID card system in place.)"
Sourced to here, which does not mention ID card, identity card, or national card. What is going on??? Murry1975 ( talk) 19:49, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I've recently got a reply from the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine regarding the passport card.
They didn't explicitly say they'd accept the Irish passport card, though they did say all passports (with visas where applicable) would be accepted. The fact that they replied positively after I clearly mentioned asking about a passport in card format implies they'd accept it.
I also know for a fact that when it comes to stamps, there is the option of filling out a migration card at home and getting it stamped instead of the passport. As such, at least in combination with the migration card, the passport card ought to work.
South Africa, meanwhile, has confirmed to me it will not accept the passport card, simply because it cannot be stamped André Devecserii ( talk) 15:35, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
You must remember the different Weltanschauung of the English speaking world to "Continental" Europe (where everything that is not forbidden is compulsory?). For the English speaking countries it was traditionally the case that everything was permitted that was not expressly forbidden by law. To leave your own country without let or hindrance (or, in this context, without a valid travel document) was a fundamental human right in time of peace. BushelCandle ( talk) 22:45, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
They now said this: "Under the existing visa-free visit regime, holders of valid IRELAND (REPUBLIC OF) national passport may visit the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR) without a visa for a period of not exceeding 90 days. However, they must satisfy the immigration officer on arrival that they meet with the normal immigration requirements and qualify for entry as bona fide visitors, including possession of adequate funds to cover the duration of stay, the genuineness of the purpose of visit not in doubt, no known criminal or adverse records, etc. before permission to land in Hong Kong may be given. Each case will be considered and determined on its individual merits.
For visa requirements of different passport holders visiting the HKSAR, you may browse the following website for more details : http://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/services/visas/visit-transit/visit-visa-entry-permit.html ( Part II )
Nevertheless, we realized that each Airline would have their own boarding requirements on passport validity of the passengers. Therefore, you may also need to contact the respective Airlines to obtain more information on the matter.
Hope you will find the above information useful."
Yeah, bloody useful. NOT! André Devecserii ( talk) 14:30, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Dima1 added Moldova. Do you have any reference, or did you contact the Moldovan border police? André Devecserii ( talk) 18:59, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
The US has confirmed they will not accept the passport card.
Look at this "A new Irish Passport Card, which will be accepted for travel within the European Union and the European Economic Area and will be available soon."
This Is what several countries, including the US, refer to, so this line is what will likely limit international acceptance André Devecserii ( talk) 02:57, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I have asked the Swedish border police if the new Irish Passport card is valid for entry. I described that they are in Ireland seen as small passports. The answer is translated: "Provided that the Irish document is a national ID that is issued by a competent authority, it is valid for entry into Sweden, Utlänningsförordningen/Immigration Ordinance 2 chapter 17§. We have not received any information about the new Irish document in question, so we can in substance not comment if it meets the requirements for entry."--
BIL (
talk)
13:24, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I would like to add that the same regulation (Utlänningsförordningen 2 chapter) allows passports, but then they have to accepted as passports. So they have to be passports or national ID cards by a Swedish interpretation, but there is no decision yet. The source given in the article about EU acceptance is from the Irish department of foreign affairs. But I would like a source from the EU that they accept it.
PRADO would be good, but does not list it. It seems like Ireland has not done their job in making it to be accepted.--
BIL (
talk)
Hong Kong finally confirmed to me it will not accept the passport card; just like the US they use this as a reference ("Citizens can use the card alone for travel to these countries but the Passport Book must be used for all other foreign travel, including to the United States.").
South Africa earlier told me they do not accept it because it cannot be stamped. They're extreme about stamps, to the point where lack of passport space alone will get you sent back.
So at least the US, South Africa and Hong Kong do not accept it. Still trying to contact Canada and Australia but am (seriously) unable to find the suitable e-mail address (whereas calling would be too expensive for me). Serbia has not replied to my e-mail, whereas Kosovo gave a worthless reply: that EU citizens can enter with biometric ID cards, but that Ireland don't have that and therefore need passports. Their English was also very poor, so when I asked for a clearer answer, I got no reply.
Considering contacting Colombia, Argentina and maybe Chile and Mexico as well (I know adequate Spanish).
BushelCandle, do you think you could help me on this, so that the question gets posed more often to the point where countries find themselves having to take a stand?
It'd be really nice if you could send a mail to Serbia, who hasn't replied to my mail. If you do, the address is ovp@mfa.rs This image would be ideal to attach André Devecserii ( talk) 20:44, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Alright, so: a while ago I sent a mail to Serbia asking about passport card acceptance. Today I got two differnet replies (one agent replied and then forwarded to a colleague who also sent a reply).
Answer 1: "The actual visa regime between Serbia and Ireland says: No visas required for visits of up to 90 days * ID card can also be used to travel to Serbia"
Answer 2: "The card you have is a passport for traveling inside EU territory. So, you cannot travel to Serbia, of USA or any other country outside of EU. You will need a passport to come here."
Passports in card format anyone? Unfortunately I have yet to find a single country which considers the passport cards to be full passports (apart from Ukraine, who only gave me a vague positive answer, all countries who told me they'd accept it considered it an ID card which is so false).
Who would have thought the passport card would be less powerful than EEA ID cards? It's madness, and the worst part is, it's largely Ireland's fault for artificially restricting it.
André Devecserii ( talk) 10:08, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi - I'm just seeking the views of other editors over whether the cost of the passport should be included on the article. If we are encyclopaedic, surely we shouldn't act as a travel guide? Regardless, the cost of the passport varies depending on the country it is applied from, and the service which you use. st 170 e 19:09, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
It is written in Identity document#Ireland that "Passport booklets, passport cards, driver's licenses, GNIB Registration Certificates and other forms of identity cards can be used for identification." At the same time User St170e who is citizen of Ireland removes a claim that the passport card is also an identity card and writes "Passport card serves purely for travel purposes only". Does that mean that cards for identification are never needed in Ireland, or that the passport card is not accepted for such purposes, or that one article is wrong? What is the truth?-- BIL ( talk) 21:56, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
EU countries allow other EU citizens to prove it by showing their passport or identity card. There are two sources about that, no 19 and 20 in the article, which go to official legal or governmental information. No 20 [4] is British and allows passport or a national identity card. Can someone find a source to if the Irish passport card is defined as a passport or an identity card internationally, like by UK police? The international ICAO standard [5] require passports to have a TD3 Size (88.0 mm × 125.0 mm) data page. Smaller card are called Official Travel Documents, but might if they can be called identity cards, might also be called passports? -- BIL ( talk) 14:48, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Passport card, 2nd para: ... the Irish passport card can be used for air travel and throughout the European Economic Area and Switzerland and some non-EEA countries such as Albania, Bosnia, Moldova, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Montserrat...
Passport card, 4th para: In addition, Serbia and North Macedonia, who accept identity cards from other EU countries, have stated they do not accept the Irish passport card, meaning Irish citizens remain obliged to present a passport book when entering those countries.
I don't know what the right answer is, but it seems that one of those two is probably wrong.
STeamTraen ( talk) 19:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't the map be updated to show that Irish passport holders can enter Kaliningrad Oblast with a free-of-charge e-visa? Ireland is the only English-speaking country whose nationals are part of this scheme. Unfortunately I don't know how to edit these maps. See https://electronic-visa.kdmid.ru/klgd_home_en.html NFH ( talk) 18:19, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
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I paased through Berlin airport today, and spotted a person carrying a GREEN covered Irish passport. This passport had light blue pages and did not have the European Union wording on the cover. Was this some kind of diplomatic passport?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.104.98 ( talk) 22:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I shall contact the border authorities of CEFTA countries, North Cyprus and Georgia to see what their stance on the passport card is. They claim to accept EU ID cards, but of course they need to have acknowledged the Irish card first.
Also I found this highly interesting: "Wider use of the Irish passport card for travel in future will be restricted to the small number of countries that issue e-Visas (such as Australia and Turkey) or that stamp entry on a separate piece of paper (such as Hong Kong or Israel).
Will these cards seriously be accepted in countries where other EU ID cards aren't, just because the Irish one is labelled "passport"? André Devecserii ( talk) 15:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
I have removed again, not in the references given and still containing OR. The section is becoming loaded with unsupported claims
"Unlike national identity cards issued in other parts of the EU, an Irish passport card can not be issued unless the bearer already has a valid passport booklet but, because of its convenient size and durable format compared to the Irish passport booklet, it will also serve purposes similar to that of national identity cards in other parts of the EU: identity and age verification, and intra-EU travel. (Passports are not required de jure within the EU, but passport booklets were previously required de facto for Irish citizens as there is no Irish government ID card system in place.)"
Sourced to here, which does not mention ID card, identity card, or national card. What is going on??? Murry1975 ( talk) 19:49, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I've recently got a reply from the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine regarding the passport card.
They didn't explicitly say they'd accept the Irish passport card, though they did say all passports (with visas where applicable) would be accepted. The fact that they replied positively after I clearly mentioned asking about a passport in card format implies they'd accept it.
I also know for a fact that when it comes to stamps, there is the option of filling out a migration card at home and getting it stamped instead of the passport. As such, at least in combination with the migration card, the passport card ought to work.
South Africa, meanwhile, has confirmed to me it will not accept the passport card, simply because it cannot be stamped André Devecserii ( talk) 15:35, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
You must remember the different Weltanschauung of the English speaking world to "Continental" Europe (where everything that is not forbidden is compulsory?). For the English speaking countries it was traditionally the case that everything was permitted that was not expressly forbidden by law. To leave your own country without let or hindrance (or, in this context, without a valid travel document) was a fundamental human right in time of peace. BushelCandle ( talk) 22:45, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
They now said this: "Under the existing visa-free visit regime, holders of valid IRELAND (REPUBLIC OF) national passport may visit the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR) without a visa for a period of not exceeding 90 days. However, they must satisfy the immigration officer on arrival that they meet with the normal immigration requirements and qualify for entry as bona fide visitors, including possession of adequate funds to cover the duration of stay, the genuineness of the purpose of visit not in doubt, no known criminal or adverse records, etc. before permission to land in Hong Kong may be given. Each case will be considered and determined on its individual merits.
For visa requirements of different passport holders visiting the HKSAR, you may browse the following website for more details : http://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/services/visas/visit-transit/visit-visa-entry-permit.html ( Part II )
Nevertheless, we realized that each Airline would have their own boarding requirements on passport validity of the passengers. Therefore, you may also need to contact the respective Airlines to obtain more information on the matter.
Hope you will find the above information useful."
Yeah, bloody useful. NOT! André Devecserii ( talk) 14:30, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Dima1 added Moldova. Do you have any reference, or did you contact the Moldovan border police? André Devecserii ( talk) 18:59, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
The US has confirmed they will not accept the passport card.
Look at this "A new Irish Passport Card, which will be accepted for travel within the European Union and the European Economic Area and will be available soon."
This Is what several countries, including the US, refer to, so this line is what will likely limit international acceptance André Devecserii ( talk) 02:57, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I have asked the Swedish border police if the new Irish Passport card is valid for entry. I described that they are in Ireland seen as small passports. The answer is translated: "Provided that the Irish document is a national ID that is issued by a competent authority, it is valid for entry into Sweden, Utlänningsförordningen/Immigration Ordinance 2 chapter 17§. We have not received any information about the new Irish document in question, so we can in substance not comment if it meets the requirements for entry."--
BIL (
talk)
13:24, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I would like to add that the same regulation (Utlänningsförordningen 2 chapter) allows passports, but then they have to accepted as passports. So they have to be passports or national ID cards by a Swedish interpretation, but there is no decision yet. The source given in the article about EU acceptance is from the Irish department of foreign affairs. But I would like a source from the EU that they accept it.
PRADO would be good, but does not list it. It seems like Ireland has not done their job in making it to be accepted.--
BIL (
talk)
Hong Kong finally confirmed to me it will not accept the passport card; just like the US they use this as a reference ("Citizens can use the card alone for travel to these countries but the Passport Book must be used for all other foreign travel, including to the United States.").
South Africa earlier told me they do not accept it because it cannot be stamped. They're extreme about stamps, to the point where lack of passport space alone will get you sent back.
So at least the US, South Africa and Hong Kong do not accept it. Still trying to contact Canada and Australia but am (seriously) unable to find the suitable e-mail address (whereas calling would be too expensive for me). Serbia has not replied to my e-mail, whereas Kosovo gave a worthless reply: that EU citizens can enter with biometric ID cards, but that Ireland don't have that and therefore need passports. Their English was also very poor, so when I asked for a clearer answer, I got no reply.
Considering contacting Colombia, Argentina and maybe Chile and Mexico as well (I know adequate Spanish).
BushelCandle, do you think you could help me on this, so that the question gets posed more often to the point where countries find themselves having to take a stand?
It'd be really nice if you could send a mail to Serbia, who hasn't replied to my mail. If you do, the address is ovp@mfa.rs This image would be ideal to attach André Devecserii ( talk) 20:44, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Alright, so: a while ago I sent a mail to Serbia asking about passport card acceptance. Today I got two differnet replies (one agent replied and then forwarded to a colleague who also sent a reply).
Answer 1: "The actual visa regime between Serbia and Ireland says: No visas required for visits of up to 90 days * ID card can also be used to travel to Serbia"
Answer 2: "The card you have is a passport for traveling inside EU territory. So, you cannot travel to Serbia, of USA or any other country outside of EU. You will need a passport to come here."
Passports in card format anyone? Unfortunately I have yet to find a single country which considers the passport cards to be full passports (apart from Ukraine, who only gave me a vague positive answer, all countries who told me they'd accept it considered it an ID card which is so false).
Who would have thought the passport card would be less powerful than EEA ID cards? It's madness, and the worst part is, it's largely Ireland's fault for artificially restricting it.
André Devecserii ( talk) 10:08, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi - I'm just seeking the views of other editors over whether the cost of the passport should be included on the article. If we are encyclopaedic, surely we shouldn't act as a travel guide? Regardless, the cost of the passport varies depending on the country it is applied from, and the service which you use. st 170 e 19:09, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
It is written in Identity document#Ireland that "Passport booklets, passport cards, driver's licenses, GNIB Registration Certificates and other forms of identity cards can be used for identification." At the same time User St170e who is citizen of Ireland removes a claim that the passport card is also an identity card and writes "Passport card serves purely for travel purposes only". Does that mean that cards for identification are never needed in Ireland, or that the passport card is not accepted for such purposes, or that one article is wrong? What is the truth?-- BIL ( talk) 21:56, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
EU countries allow other EU citizens to prove it by showing their passport or identity card. There are two sources about that, no 19 and 20 in the article, which go to official legal or governmental information. No 20 [4] is British and allows passport or a national identity card. Can someone find a source to if the Irish passport card is defined as a passport or an identity card internationally, like by UK police? The international ICAO standard [5] require passports to have a TD3 Size (88.0 mm × 125.0 mm) data page. Smaller card are called Official Travel Documents, but might if they can be called identity cards, might also be called passports? -- BIL ( talk) 14:48, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Passport card, 2nd para: ... the Irish passport card can be used for air travel and throughout the European Economic Area and Switzerland and some non-EEA countries such as Albania, Bosnia, Moldova, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Montserrat...
Passport card, 4th para: In addition, Serbia and North Macedonia, who accept identity cards from other EU countries, have stated they do not accept the Irish passport card, meaning Irish citizens remain obliged to present a passport book when entering those countries.
I don't know what the right answer is, but it seems that one of those two is probably wrong.
STeamTraen ( talk) 19:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't the map be updated to show that Irish passport holders can enter Kaliningrad Oblast with a free-of-charge e-visa? Ireland is the only English-speaking country whose nationals are part of this scheme. Unfortunately I don't know how to edit these maps. See https://electronic-visa.kdmid.ru/klgd_home_en.html NFH ( talk) 18:19, 2 February 2020 (UTC)