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I believe the statement on Ireland suffering more casualties than any other country in the UK in this article is factually incorrect. According to statistics available on the web, Scotland suffered more fatalities (147,609) than the total number of Irishmen who volunteered from August 1914 to the end of the war (134,202).
The current policy section seems rather politically motivated "Today, unlike Sweden, Switzerland and Japan, the Republic of Ireland is not officially a neutral country and could join any war it pleases." This is untrue, as for Ireland to participate in any UN missions it must have a UN Mandate from the Security Council (so this could technically allow Ireland to go to war, as the Korean war was technically speaking, a "UN War"), as well as approval from both houses of the Irish parliament.
Also, the mission in Liberia is a UN sanctioned peace enforcement mission. Whatever the political views one may take, Ireland is not in a position to unilaterally enter into any conflict (let alone humanitarian mission, with the "Triple Lock" in place).
Also, the section on the First World War is irrelevant, as the Irish state did not exist in 1914. I say both these sections should be removed, as both seem highly politically motivated.
I expanded this article, it was not a school project, nor did I at any stage say there was conscription in WWI that must have been added by someone else, when I started my changes WWI was already there, I agree it is not important.
I am not a member of any political party nor was my contribution politically motivated.
There is no law or declaration anywhere that says Ireland is a neutral state, and most neutral states do not allow other military forces to use their soil, Ireland does. Ireland also can support a war with UN approval, other neutral states are neutral in all circumstances.
Ireland does have the so called triple lock, this can be removed by law at any time, the constitution only requires the approval of Dail Eireann for war.
It's very important to note there is a substantial diffrence of opinion about Irish neutrality.
There are many political parties in Ireland who want the country to be neutral, they all have a diffrent idea of it.
I am about to make more changes.
I believe much of the confusion about this entry (and the debate in Ireland over "Irish neutrality") comes from bundling being neutral with being non-aligned. Neutrality is something that only happens during a time of war, and it simply means that you're not a party to the conflict. You don't have to be non-aligned to be neutral in a given war. Example: Slovenia, a full member of NATO, was a neutral power during the recent Iraq war. It was a neutral power because it conformed more or less to the minimum international standards set out for non-participants (neutral powers) during a time of war in the Hague Convention (V) 1907 (they didn't allow US military overflights or refueling). Same for Turkey, another full member of NATO. Indeed, every state in the world is a "neutral" visavie every ongoing conflict to which it is not a party (attacking or being attacked). Some states have laws binding them to that posture (non-participation, neutrality) visavie particular conflicts or states (like Austria), and some have laws even binding them permanantly that way (like Switzerland or Turkmenistan). Ireland hasn't had any laws binding us to that posture since the Spanish Civil War (Non-intervention) Act 1937. Indeed, two recent Judicial Reviews (Horgan v Ireland 2003 and Dubsky v Ireland 2005) have confirmed the opposite: Ireland is not (ever!) obliged to conform to customary international law, and the minimum international standards of neutrality in particular. -- Slackr 16:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
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Need to add some material on deV and the League of Nations and how that shaped neutrality. -- ClemMcGann 00:35, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
As I said in an earlier version that got edited out, the Dongeal corridor was used by the RAF prior to the US entering the war, it was used by the recce plane that spotted the Bismarck. It must have been fairly common knowledge that they were overflying Donegal since it did not make sense to have a flying boat base on Lough Erne otherwise. PatGallacher 08:33, 2005 August 4 (UTC)
"The Irish government did not take a position on the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, although most of the population were against it"
This is almost certainly true but there are no official statistics or sources cited to back it up. Perhaps it should be changed to "...although a majority of the population appeared to oppose it". It's a bit cumbersome but it's important to maintain the article as NPOV. Dmitry 21:05, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the following statement from the Current Events section because it's unclear or untrue:
What does the author mean by "join any war"? Does "join" mean to send Irish troops? Does "any war" mean even a conflict which was not on all fours with the UN Charter and International Law (e.g. Iraq War)? Does "war" mean an armed conflict? Slackr 15:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I overrode User:Clem McGann but I was responding to my (and other editor's) work being overriden for no valid reason by User:Ali-oops. The fact is that there are varying and disputed estimates of Irish volunteers (from 50,000 to 300,000 that I have seen on the 'Net) and that must be borne in mind in any encyclopaedia. I deleted a reference to Irish Americans bringing America into the war in the event of another German attack on Belfast (or the Free State -- although the bombings in Dublin and Carlow which killed roughly 40 people have not been included in the article) as it is hypothetical and not entirely convincing since most of the supporters of American neutrality publicly rested their case against entering the war on the claim that there was no threat to American interests. I do not know if Irish Americans (despite their admitted clout and prodigious lobbying skills) could have done what was claimed so I deleted it.
Marylou 23:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
"However many Irish ships were attacked by belligerents on both sides." Could we have more details or a reference for this? While I can see it would be easy for attacks to occur by accident, and I can even see the point of German U-boats attacking Irish boats (which could easily be bringing supplies to Britain) and then denying it, I can see absolutely no point for the Allies to deliberately attack Irish ships. I could be wrong of course. DJ Clayworth 18:02, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
User 81.170.13.118 has mentioned Churchill's tirade against deV and deV's reply, referencing another wiki. The other wiki gives a short quote from deV's speech and incorrectly claim it to be complete. Quotations from Eamon deValera by Proinsias MacAonghusa isbn 08853426848 has a much longer extract. ClemMcGann 21:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
In the referenced sub heading (pasted below)the following statement is made: <As a member of the UN Security Council, Ireland voted yes to Resolution 1441>. As far as I have been able to determine, Ireland is not a member of the UN or a member of the UN Security Council. So I think this statement is erroneous. I will leave it up to someone else to correct this. teekey 17:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Recent conflicts Ireland supported the campaign known as Operation Allied Force, part of the Kosovo War, and the invasion of Afghanistan in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks known as Operation Enduring Freedom.
The Irish government did not take a position on the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, although most of the population were against it, and USAF planes were allowed to refuel at Shannon Airport even if they were on their way to Iraq. As a member of the UN Security Council, Ireland voted yes to Resolution 1441 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teekey ( talk • contribs)
This article, although generally true, is badly under referenced. Sources that are reliable need to be found - www.reform.org is not such a source becuase it is a partisan organization and violates policy on using online sources. Of particular concern are the assertions in the section Current policy - most of the points made are, I think, generally accepted by Irish people but there is no proof cited to back-up these claims. Can anyone help this page by referencing it?-- Cailil 00:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
The article Irish neutrality during World War II has been nominated for deletion. Please add your opinion to the discussion on AfD. -- sony-youth pléigh 22:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
What a ridiculous piece of political correctness, What possible influence could Eire have made in the 1940's. The Irish State in the Emergency had no policy and no intent, either by design or accident that influenced the fate of the Jewish People in Germany, it seems en vogue these days for Governments around the world to apologise for something that they never did. What Rubbish, over 3000 + FULLY INTEGRATED Irish Jews lived in and around Dublin during the war and none of these people were ever at the receiving end of any specific Irish Government Policy pertaining to their beliefs. in Fact they remain to this day Irish first and Jewish Second.
Utter tosh, remove please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.124.108 ( talk) 10:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Objectively and in reply to the above I disagree. Had the Irish state allowed the allied nations the use of airstrips and ports then conceivably the Atlantic air gap COULD have be filled earlier and the transfer of men and materials across the Atlantic COULD have been faster and therefore France COULD have been invaded earlier. Each day of 1944 and 1945 was measured in tens of thousands of people killed and gassed . One could understand if the Jewish people held a grudge against any nation that did not actively help end the holocaust. After 1943-44 Ireland was in little risk from German invasion and therefore allowing the allies to use ports and airstrips for the protection of Atlantic convoys would have been a low risk move and COULD I stress could have helped the invasion of France to happen earlier. Therefore your question “What possible influence could Eire have made in the 1940's” I think Eire could have helped influence the situation. Sams37 ( talk) 01:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Edited the WWII section of the Irish Neutrality article to add citations for some of the several sources easily located with a Google search referencing Michael McDowell's speech at the first Holocaust Memorial Day in Jaunary 2003 where he "apologised publicly for Ireland's acts of omission and commission at the time of the Holocaust." Lex20735 ( talk) 17:58, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
"the severe mid- April 1941 raids on Belfast, which so taxed the Northern fire brigades that they perforce asked help from Dublin. Dublin sent up their resources to Belfast, breaking neutrality - the only instant in the War," -- 172.173.17.25 ( talk) 08:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
The Article is so bad (full of inaccuracies and primary-school type commentary) that I think it shoule be deleted. Any support for this? Regards. Redking7 ( talk) 21:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
"Ireland applied to join the United Nations in 1945, but this was blocked by the Soviet Union until 1955 because of the wartime policy of neutrality." If this is so, could some explanation be added as to why neutral Sweden joined the UN in 1946? 86.176.184.100 ( talk) 18:38, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Mr. GROMYKO (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) (translated from Russian) : In considering an application to admit a particular country to membership in the United Nations we must, of course, take into account the way that country behaved before, or especially during, the war ,years. In considering the behaviour of Ireland during the war years, we cannot fail to observe the following: As we all know, Ireland was on very good terms with the Axis Powers and gave no assistance whatever to the Allied nations in their struggle against the fascist States. Apart from this,Ireland has not and has never had normal relations with 'the USSR, whose part in the war against the aggressor States and in gaining victory over them is well known. For. these reasons the USSR delegation feels unable, again this year, to support the proposal that Ireland be admitted to the United Nations.
Sir Alexander CADOGAN (United Kingdom) : My comment on that is exactly the same as the comment I made on the application of the Mongolian People's Republic. The arguments used by the representative of the USSR are not new; they have been rebutted already. Neither of his principal arguments is really relevant because those are not the criteria in the Charter for the admission of a State to the United Nations."
Votes for: Australia, Belgium, Brazil, China, Colombia, France, Syria, United Kingdom, United , States of America. Vote against: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Abstention: Poland.
Found at: http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/PV.186 202.248.41.90 ( talk) 00:44, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I have tagged as dubious the claim that Ireland did not join NATO because the UK was a member and its dispute over the status of NI. This reads like somebody made it up. Non-membership of NATO was entirely consistent with the neutrality policy. Sweden took the same view. Unless somebody produces a citation very soon, I shall delete it. -- Red King ( talk) 00:47, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
lolza ya didn't delete it..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.83.224.244 ( talk) 20:17, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Added a citation re: the Dáil Éireann Debate Vol. 114 No. 3, 23 February 1949, about membership in the Atlantic Pact (NATO). The Irish Minister for External Affairs stated, in part, ″Partition is naturally and bitterly resented by the people of this country as a violation of Ireland's territorial integrity and as a denial in her case of the elementary democratic right of national self determination. As long as Partition lasts, any military alliance or commitment involving joint military action with the State responsible for Partition must be quite out of the question so far as Ireland is concerned. Any such commitment, if undertaken, would involve the prospect of civil conflict in this country in the event of a crisis.″ Lex20735 ( talk) 19:54, 27 September 2015 (UTC) [1]
Started moved section At ceremonies for the first Holocaust Memorial Day in Ireland, 26 January 2003, Justice Minister Michael McDowell openly apologised for an Irish wartime policy [2] [3] that was inspired by "a culture of muted anti-semitism in Ireland," [4] [5] which discouraged the immigration of thousands of Europe's threatened Jews. He said that "at an official level the Irish state was at best coldly polite and behind closed doors antipathetic, hostile and unfeeling toward the Jews". [6] [7]
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To facilitate the discussion I have moved the entire section out of the article to this talk page. I noticed today that an editor claimed that (s)he had checked the sources and that there was nothing dubious about this section. But I disagree with this. To my opinion this is a typical storm in a glass water, giving undue weight this subject. Most clear point is that it is based on sources unfit for this purpose, like an facebook page and an op-ed. And sorry, I can not find "TotallyJewish.com" in this case sufficiently independent.
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Were did ww2 happen in northern Ireland 109.76.57.99 ( talk) 19:28, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
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I believe the statement on Ireland suffering more casualties than any other country in the UK in this article is factually incorrect. According to statistics available on the web, Scotland suffered more fatalities (147,609) than the total number of Irishmen who volunteered from August 1914 to the end of the war (134,202).
The current policy section seems rather politically motivated "Today, unlike Sweden, Switzerland and Japan, the Republic of Ireland is not officially a neutral country and could join any war it pleases." This is untrue, as for Ireland to participate in any UN missions it must have a UN Mandate from the Security Council (so this could technically allow Ireland to go to war, as the Korean war was technically speaking, a "UN War"), as well as approval from both houses of the Irish parliament.
Also, the mission in Liberia is a UN sanctioned peace enforcement mission. Whatever the political views one may take, Ireland is not in a position to unilaterally enter into any conflict (let alone humanitarian mission, with the "Triple Lock" in place).
Also, the section on the First World War is irrelevant, as the Irish state did not exist in 1914. I say both these sections should be removed, as both seem highly politically motivated.
I expanded this article, it was not a school project, nor did I at any stage say there was conscription in WWI that must have been added by someone else, when I started my changes WWI was already there, I agree it is not important.
I am not a member of any political party nor was my contribution politically motivated.
There is no law or declaration anywhere that says Ireland is a neutral state, and most neutral states do not allow other military forces to use their soil, Ireland does. Ireland also can support a war with UN approval, other neutral states are neutral in all circumstances.
Ireland does have the so called triple lock, this can be removed by law at any time, the constitution only requires the approval of Dail Eireann for war.
It's very important to note there is a substantial diffrence of opinion about Irish neutrality.
There are many political parties in Ireland who want the country to be neutral, they all have a diffrent idea of it.
I am about to make more changes.
I believe much of the confusion about this entry (and the debate in Ireland over "Irish neutrality") comes from bundling being neutral with being non-aligned. Neutrality is something that only happens during a time of war, and it simply means that you're not a party to the conflict. You don't have to be non-aligned to be neutral in a given war. Example: Slovenia, a full member of NATO, was a neutral power during the recent Iraq war. It was a neutral power because it conformed more or less to the minimum international standards set out for non-participants (neutral powers) during a time of war in the Hague Convention (V) 1907 (they didn't allow US military overflights or refueling). Same for Turkey, another full member of NATO. Indeed, every state in the world is a "neutral" visavie every ongoing conflict to which it is not a party (attacking or being attacked). Some states have laws binding them to that posture (non-participation, neutrality) visavie particular conflicts or states (like Austria), and some have laws even binding them permanantly that way (like Switzerland or Turkmenistan). Ireland hasn't had any laws binding us to that posture since the Spanish Civil War (Non-intervention) Act 1937. Indeed, two recent Judicial Reviews (Horgan v Ireland 2003 and Dubsky v Ireland 2005) have confirmed the opposite: Ireland is not (ever!) obliged to conform to customary international law, and the minimum international standards of neutrality in particular. -- Slackr 16:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
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Need to add some material on deV and the League of Nations and how that shaped neutrality. -- ClemMcGann 00:35, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
As I said in an earlier version that got edited out, the Dongeal corridor was used by the RAF prior to the US entering the war, it was used by the recce plane that spotted the Bismarck. It must have been fairly common knowledge that they were overflying Donegal since it did not make sense to have a flying boat base on Lough Erne otherwise. PatGallacher 08:33, 2005 August 4 (UTC)
"The Irish government did not take a position on the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, although most of the population were against it"
This is almost certainly true but there are no official statistics or sources cited to back it up. Perhaps it should be changed to "...although a majority of the population appeared to oppose it". It's a bit cumbersome but it's important to maintain the article as NPOV. Dmitry 21:05, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the following statement from the Current Events section because it's unclear or untrue:
What does the author mean by "join any war"? Does "join" mean to send Irish troops? Does "any war" mean even a conflict which was not on all fours with the UN Charter and International Law (e.g. Iraq War)? Does "war" mean an armed conflict? Slackr 15:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I overrode User:Clem McGann but I was responding to my (and other editor's) work being overriden for no valid reason by User:Ali-oops. The fact is that there are varying and disputed estimates of Irish volunteers (from 50,000 to 300,000 that I have seen on the 'Net) and that must be borne in mind in any encyclopaedia. I deleted a reference to Irish Americans bringing America into the war in the event of another German attack on Belfast (or the Free State -- although the bombings in Dublin and Carlow which killed roughly 40 people have not been included in the article) as it is hypothetical and not entirely convincing since most of the supporters of American neutrality publicly rested their case against entering the war on the claim that there was no threat to American interests. I do not know if Irish Americans (despite their admitted clout and prodigious lobbying skills) could have done what was claimed so I deleted it.
Marylou 23:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
"However many Irish ships were attacked by belligerents on both sides." Could we have more details or a reference for this? While I can see it would be easy for attacks to occur by accident, and I can even see the point of German U-boats attacking Irish boats (which could easily be bringing supplies to Britain) and then denying it, I can see absolutely no point for the Allies to deliberately attack Irish ships. I could be wrong of course. DJ Clayworth 18:02, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
User 81.170.13.118 has mentioned Churchill's tirade against deV and deV's reply, referencing another wiki. The other wiki gives a short quote from deV's speech and incorrectly claim it to be complete. Quotations from Eamon deValera by Proinsias MacAonghusa isbn 08853426848 has a much longer extract. ClemMcGann 21:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
In the referenced sub heading (pasted below)the following statement is made: <As a member of the UN Security Council, Ireland voted yes to Resolution 1441>. As far as I have been able to determine, Ireland is not a member of the UN or a member of the UN Security Council. So I think this statement is erroneous. I will leave it up to someone else to correct this. teekey 17:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Recent conflicts Ireland supported the campaign known as Operation Allied Force, part of the Kosovo War, and the invasion of Afghanistan in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks known as Operation Enduring Freedom.
The Irish government did not take a position on the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, although most of the population were against it, and USAF planes were allowed to refuel at Shannon Airport even if they were on their way to Iraq. As a member of the UN Security Council, Ireland voted yes to Resolution 1441 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teekey ( talk • contribs)
This article, although generally true, is badly under referenced. Sources that are reliable need to be found - www.reform.org is not such a source becuase it is a partisan organization and violates policy on using online sources. Of particular concern are the assertions in the section Current policy - most of the points made are, I think, generally accepted by Irish people but there is no proof cited to back-up these claims. Can anyone help this page by referencing it?-- Cailil 00:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
The article Irish neutrality during World War II has been nominated for deletion. Please add your opinion to the discussion on AfD. -- sony-youth pléigh 22:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
What a ridiculous piece of political correctness, What possible influence could Eire have made in the 1940's. The Irish State in the Emergency had no policy and no intent, either by design or accident that influenced the fate of the Jewish People in Germany, it seems en vogue these days for Governments around the world to apologise for something that they never did. What Rubbish, over 3000 + FULLY INTEGRATED Irish Jews lived in and around Dublin during the war and none of these people were ever at the receiving end of any specific Irish Government Policy pertaining to their beliefs. in Fact they remain to this day Irish first and Jewish Second.
Utter tosh, remove please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.124.108 ( talk) 10:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Objectively and in reply to the above I disagree. Had the Irish state allowed the allied nations the use of airstrips and ports then conceivably the Atlantic air gap COULD have be filled earlier and the transfer of men and materials across the Atlantic COULD have been faster and therefore France COULD have been invaded earlier. Each day of 1944 and 1945 was measured in tens of thousands of people killed and gassed . One could understand if the Jewish people held a grudge against any nation that did not actively help end the holocaust. After 1943-44 Ireland was in little risk from German invasion and therefore allowing the allies to use ports and airstrips for the protection of Atlantic convoys would have been a low risk move and COULD I stress could have helped the invasion of France to happen earlier. Therefore your question “What possible influence could Eire have made in the 1940's” I think Eire could have helped influence the situation. Sams37 ( talk) 01:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Edited the WWII section of the Irish Neutrality article to add citations for some of the several sources easily located with a Google search referencing Michael McDowell's speech at the first Holocaust Memorial Day in Jaunary 2003 where he "apologised publicly for Ireland's acts of omission and commission at the time of the Holocaust." Lex20735 ( talk) 17:58, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
"the severe mid- April 1941 raids on Belfast, which so taxed the Northern fire brigades that they perforce asked help from Dublin. Dublin sent up their resources to Belfast, breaking neutrality - the only instant in the War," -- 172.173.17.25 ( talk) 08:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
The Article is so bad (full of inaccuracies and primary-school type commentary) that I think it shoule be deleted. Any support for this? Regards. Redking7 ( talk) 21:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
"Ireland applied to join the United Nations in 1945, but this was blocked by the Soviet Union until 1955 because of the wartime policy of neutrality." If this is so, could some explanation be added as to why neutral Sweden joined the UN in 1946? 86.176.184.100 ( talk) 18:38, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Mr. GROMYKO (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) (translated from Russian) : In considering an application to admit a particular country to membership in the United Nations we must, of course, take into account the way that country behaved before, or especially during, the war ,years. In considering the behaviour of Ireland during the war years, we cannot fail to observe the following: As we all know, Ireland was on very good terms with the Axis Powers and gave no assistance whatever to the Allied nations in their struggle against the fascist States. Apart from this,Ireland has not and has never had normal relations with 'the USSR, whose part in the war against the aggressor States and in gaining victory over them is well known. For. these reasons the USSR delegation feels unable, again this year, to support the proposal that Ireland be admitted to the United Nations.
Sir Alexander CADOGAN (United Kingdom) : My comment on that is exactly the same as the comment I made on the application of the Mongolian People's Republic. The arguments used by the representative of the USSR are not new; they have been rebutted already. Neither of his principal arguments is really relevant because those are not the criteria in the Charter for the admission of a State to the United Nations."
Votes for: Australia, Belgium, Brazil, China, Colombia, France, Syria, United Kingdom, United , States of America. Vote against: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Abstention: Poland.
Found at: http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/PV.186 202.248.41.90 ( talk) 00:44, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I have tagged as dubious the claim that Ireland did not join NATO because the UK was a member and its dispute over the status of NI. This reads like somebody made it up. Non-membership of NATO was entirely consistent with the neutrality policy. Sweden took the same view. Unless somebody produces a citation very soon, I shall delete it. -- Red King ( talk) 00:47, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
lolza ya didn't delete it..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.83.224.244 ( talk) 20:17, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Added a citation re: the Dáil Éireann Debate Vol. 114 No. 3, 23 February 1949, about membership in the Atlantic Pact (NATO). The Irish Minister for External Affairs stated, in part, ″Partition is naturally and bitterly resented by the people of this country as a violation of Ireland's territorial integrity and as a denial in her case of the elementary democratic right of national self determination. As long as Partition lasts, any military alliance or commitment involving joint military action with the State responsible for Partition must be quite out of the question so far as Ireland is concerned. Any such commitment, if undertaken, would involve the prospect of civil conflict in this country in the event of a crisis.″ Lex20735 ( talk) 19:54, 27 September 2015 (UTC) [1]
Started moved section At ceremonies for the first Holocaust Memorial Day in Ireland, 26 January 2003, Justice Minister Michael McDowell openly apologised for an Irish wartime policy [2] [3] that was inspired by "a culture of muted anti-semitism in Ireland," [4] [5] which discouraged the immigration of thousands of Europe's threatened Jews. He said that "at an official level the Irish state was at best coldly polite and behind closed doors antipathetic, hostile and unfeeling toward the Jews". [6] [7]
End moved section
To facilitate the discussion I have moved the entire section out of the article to this talk page. I noticed today that an editor claimed that (s)he had checked the sources and that there was nothing dubious about this section. But I disagree with this. To my opinion this is a typical storm in a glass water, giving undue weight this subject. Most clear point is that it is based on sources unfit for this purpose, like an facebook page and an op-ed. And sorry, I can not find "TotallyJewish.com" in this case sufficiently independent.
i like to hear other opinions about this section. The Banner talk 21:08, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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Were did ww2 happen in northern Ireland 109.76.57.99 ( talk) 19:28, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
"Adducing"? really? this is why there are less and less new editors, because of the unnecesary ever-increasing complexity of the language in articles. 66.81.170.3 ( talk) 14:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)