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Ireland lost Over 2,000,000 of its population.
I move to change this from "Irish Famine (1740-1741)" to the name by which it is commonly known, Blianan a air. Thoughts? Fergananim ( talk) 14:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Depends on wikipedia's naming conventions. I'm not sure what you mean by "commonly known", I'd guess you mean in Ireland? Is there a general naming preference to name Irish events in Irish? I'd say to help wider understanding (certainly in the English language version of wikipedia) the title should include the English language title as well as the Gaelic term. I notice the Great_Famine_(Ireland) article is titled in English and subtitled in the Irish. Including the dates would also be worthwhile. My vote: keep it in English but subtitle in Gaelic, like the Great_Famine_(Ireland) article. -- mgaved ( talk) 21:17, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Paragraph 2 in Causes has an odd turn of phrase: "Though no barometric or temperature readings for Ireland (population in 1740 of 2.4 million people) survive from the Great Frost, English people were using the mercury thermometer invented 25 years earlier by the German pioneer Fahrenheit. Indoor values during January 1740 were as low as 10 °F (−12 °C)" .
I *think* the author is trying to say that no barometric/temperature reading exist from the time measuring temperatures in Ireland, but ones from England do, and these were reading as low as 10 °F (−12 °C) at the time. Do other people think this is what might be said? Needs rewriting anyway, also needs a reference. Plus I am not sure how meteorologically relevant it is to compare temperatures in England (and which part, England has a wide climatic range) to those in Ireland.
-- mgaved ( talk) 21:05, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
This seems to rely on mostly one book - it still needs cites that give page numbers for each quotation. In addition, more numbers should be provided. If Ireland lost 38% of its population, what was its starting population? There must be some estimates, even journal articles. There is mention that the Great Frost affected all of Europe - were deaths comparable in other countries (even allowing for war and poor records, there should be some discussion of it.) There is mention made in the Lead of epidemics, but little reference to disease fatalities in the body of the article. Even if the author was breaking new ground with this study, academic reviews of it might add info and should be consulted as sources; might also reveal other references. Parkwells ( talk) 19:02, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
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Might I respectfully suggest that this section does not convey the comprehensive picture such a broad and contentious heading demands. I respectfully suggest that it should either be removed, renamed, fleshed out or otherwise amended. What is the uninitiated reader to make of it? Kind Regards, M.H. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.121.199.207 ( talk) 10:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
American readers may mistake the corn referred to here as maize, so the article should be specific about which kind of corn is meant, or use the generic "grain" to refer to multiple varieties of corn. The 1740 Corn Census refers to Wheat, Rye, Meslin, Oats, Meal and Barly. [1] Greenman ( talk) 15:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Comparing the two Irish famines, this article says:
> is estimated to have killed between 13% and 20% of the 1740 population of 2.4 million people, which was a proportionately greater loss than during the Great Famine of 1845–1852
While the Irish Potato Famine says:
> causing the country's population to fall by 20–25%
I fail to see how 13-20% is greater than 20-25%. There should be some clarification here on what is meant by "proportionately greater" 93.66.164.57 ( talk) 17:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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Ireland lost Over 2,000,000 of its population.
I move to change this from "Irish Famine (1740-1741)" to the name by which it is commonly known, Blianan a air. Thoughts? Fergananim ( talk) 14:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Depends on wikipedia's naming conventions. I'm not sure what you mean by "commonly known", I'd guess you mean in Ireland? Is there a general naming preference to name Irish events in Irish? I'd say to help wider understanding (certainly in the English language version of wikipedia) the title should include the English language title as well as the Gaelic term. I notice the Great_Famine_(Ireland) article is titled in English and subtitled in the Irish. Including the dates would also be worthwhile. My vote: keep it in English but subtitle in Gaelic, like the Great_Famine_(Ireland) article. -- mgaved ( talk) 21:17, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Paragraph 2 in Causes has an odd turn of phrase: "Though no barometric or temperature readings for Ireland (population in 1740 of 2.4 million people) survive from the Great Frost, English people were using the mercury thermometer invented 25 years earlier by the German pioneer Fahrenheit. Indoor values during January 1740 were as low as 10 °F (−12 °C)" .
I *think* the author is trying to say that no barometric/temperature reading exist from the time measuring temperatures in Ireland, but ones from England do, and these were reading as low as 10 °F (−12 °C) at the time. Do other people think this is what might be said? Needs rewriting anyway, also needs a reference. Plus I am not sure how meteorologically relevant it is to compare temperatures in England (and which part, England has a wide climatic range) to those in Ireland.
-- mgaved ( talk) 21:05, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
This seems to rely on mostly one book - it still needs cites that give page numbers for each quotation. In addition, more numbers should be provided. If Ireland lost 38% of its population, what was its starting population? There must be some estimates, even journal articles. There is mention that the Great Frost affected all of Europe - were deaths comparable in other countries (even allowing for war and poor records, there should be some discussion of it.) There is mention made in the Lead of epidemics, but little reference to disease fatalities in the body of the article. Even if the author was breaking new ground with this study, academic reviews of it might add info and should be consulted as sources; might also reveal other references. Parkwells ( talk) 19:02, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
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Might I respectfully suggest that this section does not convey the comprehensive picture such a broad and contentious heading demands. I respectfully suggest that it should either be removed, renamed, fleshed out or otherwise amended. What is the uninitiated reader to make of it? Kind Regards, M.H. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.121.199.207 ( talk) 10:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
American readers may mistake the corn referred to here as maize, so the article should be specific about which kind of corn is meant, or use the generic "grain" to refer to multiple varieties of corn. The 1740 Corn Census refers to Wheat, Rye, Meslin, Oats, Meal and Barly. [1] Greenman ( talk) 15:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Comparing the two Irish famines, this article says:
> is estimated to have killed between 13% and 20% of the 1740 population of 2.4 million people, which was a proportionately greater loss than during the Great Famine of 1845–1852
While the Irish Potato Famine says:
> causing the country's population to fall by 20–25%
I fail to see how 13-20% is greater than 20-25%. There should be some clarification here on what is meant by "proportionately greater" 93.66.164.57 ( talk) 17:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC)