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This patently dubious title is, in reality, about an English colonial army in Ireland. Calling it the "Irish Army" is deeply misleading to put it mildly, especially when it's saying things like "when a force of Irish Army soldiers led by Sir Henry Duke was ambushed and defeated by a rebel force under Hugh Maguire"( Battle of the Ford of the Biscuits). You'd swear the "rebels" were the native Irish, and the invading English colonial forces were the "Irish" from this. 89.101.101.75 ( talk) 22:44, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
The reality is that in the Nine Years War (1594-1603), many native Irish were in Elizabeth's armies in Ireland, such as Tibbot na Long Burke, son of Grace O'Malley (known as the Pirate Queen). -- Bridei921302 ( talk) 10:28, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Spleodrach: you renamed the article from "Irish Army (Kingdom of Ireland)" to "Irish Royal Army" and then changed the text to match the new article title. I find hardly any ghits for the phrase "Irish royal army", however capitalised. On what basis did you instigate the change? jnestorius( talk) 17:19, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
The titie of this page is an anachronism as no such entity existed with the name described. The Pale rising out was entirely separate. Terminology involving the Dublin Pale and its colonial army is somewhat contested, but this clearly refers to the English army in Ireland. I have never seen the army referred to by that name in any contemporary source, even English ones either, so its problematic also. I dont see what value this page has as it is a-historical, and i agree as pointed out above its likely causing more confusion than its solving and to be honest, id be inclined to recommend deletion. However the history of the army in Ireland is an important one so if an appropriate name can be found proper renaming could work. The other issue is it needs proper background to explain the colonial nature of this army, and the difference between it and native forces. An article title would have to be something like "English Army in Ireland", this would allow rewriting in an informative manner without confusion. Kodai ( talk) 00:09, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
I have been tidying up the citations in this article, but some of them are not obvious:
— PBS ( talk) 14:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
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This patently dubious title is, in reality, about an English colonial army in Ireland. Calling it the "Irish Army" is deeply misleading to put it mildly, especially when it's saying things like "when a force of Irish Army soldiers led by Sir Henry Duke was ambushed and defeated by a rebel force under Hugh Maguire"( Battle of the Ford of the Biscuits). You'd swear the "rebels" were the native Irish, and the invading English colonial forces were the "Irish" from this. 89.101.101.75 ( talk) 22:44, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
The reality is that in the Nine Years War (1594-1603), many native Irish were in Elizabeth's armies in Ireland, such as Tibbot na Long Burke, son of Grace O'Malley (known as the Pirate Queen). -- Bridei921302 ( talk) 10:28, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Spleodrach: you renamed the article from "Irish Army (Kingdom of Ireland)" to "Irish Royal Army" and then changed the text to match the new article title. I find hardly any ghits for the phrase "Irish royal army", however capitalised. On what basis did you instigate the change? jnestorius( talk) 17:19, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
The titie of this page is an anachronism as no such entity existed with the name described. The Pale rising out was entirely separate. Terminology involving the Dublin Pale and its colonial army is somewhat contested, but this clearly refers to the English army in Ireland. I have never seen the army referred to by that name in any contemporary source, even English ones either, so its problematic also. I dont see what value this page has as it is a-historical, and i agree as pointed out above its likely causing more confusion than its solving and to be honest, id be inclined to recommend deletion. However the history of the army in Ireland is an important one so if an appropriate name can be found proper renaming could work. The other issue is it needs proper background to explain the colonial nature of this army, and the difference between it and native forces. An article title would have to be something like "English Army in Ireland", this would allow rewriting in an informative manner without confusion. Kodai ( talk) 00:09, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
I have been tidying up the citations in this article, but some of them are not obvious:
— PBS ( talk) 14:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)