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In the entry section, there is this phrase, regarding terrorism: "Her approach to the latter involves enforcing the protection of intellectual goods." What does that mean? Protecting what exactly? Can we please clean up this article in general, parts of it remain imprecise. Also, "a firm opponent" is evaluative language, this should be stated more neutrally. Hundnase ( talk) 18:36, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
we again see that one User who has a very clear CoI (documented extensively below) comes in and undertakes edits, in this case to make information on Bokova's husband (who now is the target of extensive corruption allegations) far less visible. This really has to stop. Wikipedia pages are not vanity pages, they need to represent information. That this user goes in, and edits out information on September 7, after a the Guardian publishes an investigationon September 4, is entirely unacceptable and again, this user has a CoI.
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One generally does not get an MBA in IR. The entry needs correction and/or citations.-- 128.54.238.5 ( talk) 04:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I made the change, adding the cited fact, that Bokova is of Macedonian ancestry.-- Kiril Simeonovski ( talk) 11:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Your opinion is not a POV, but extreme POV. Jingby ( talk) 13:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Her father was a prominent Communist Party member. No wonder she ended up in a position of power herself. Did anyone in Bulgaria rejoice over her election, btw?
It seems that there is a group of former Yugoslavs from FYROM who stubbornly vandalize many Wikipedia pages related to Bulgaria, trying to spread the old Yugoslav Nazi ideology about "ethnic Macedonians". For these persons I would like to point out that in the Bulgarian language the word "Macedonian" means "a Bulgarian from the region of Macedonia". It has nothing to do with the Yugoslav invented "ethnic Macedonians" from FYROM. So please first learn Bulgarian and only then cite Bulgarian sources. Vedm ( talk) 18:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
1. Important Matter. There are substantiated claims that Ms. Bokova's father Mr. Georgi Bokov is the perpetrator citation needed of the assassination of the Bulgarian artist, cartoonist, satirist, journalist and publisher Raiko Alexiev (penname Fra Diavolo)in the days immediately after the communist coup of September 9, 1944.
2. Prima Facie Substantiation. The claims are detailed in the documentary book "Goreshto Cherveno" ("Hot Red")by Ivaila Alexandrova, Sofia 2008, ISBN: 978 954 491 409 7. Written by a reputable Bulgarian journalist, the book is based on interviews with Mr. Alexiev's surviving wife and on documents. It has been awarded for journalistic achievement by the Union of Bulgarian Journalists - a recognized non-political professional organisation.
3. No Refutation by Bokova. Ms Bokova has never commented publicly on these allegations - neither to deny them, nor to give a moral judgement.
4. Relevance. This fact is of great importance as Ms. Bokova is assuming the post of UNESCO's Director General. It is going to affect her ability to lead in cases of infringement of artistic and journalistic freedom and in cases such people are prosecuted, tortured and executed. Her pedigree has been the subject of comments in all international press, so this establishes the relevance of the family background of someone taking up such a prominent position. All the more relevant is the fact that Ms. Bokova's father was not simply a prominent communist but probably an executioner of a key intellectual figure for political reasons. If confirmed, this fact would qualify strongly the assessment of her personal and professional making and morals. It will have a growing bearing on her reputation at UNESKO. All these issues are the matter of increasingly heated public debate in Bulgaria and will no doubt spill over internationally.
5. A Word of Advise. Instead of trying to suppress the information on the matter on wiki and other places why not advise Ms. Bokova to engage in some better form of damage management by issuing a detailed statement on the matter?
Please, create a new article about her father, whose name is still not active on Wikipedia (in red). Afterwards his name would be active (in blu) and who is interested in his biography can receive this info after clicking on his name, i.e. Georgi Bokov. Thank you! Jingby ( talk) 08:20, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I find it ironic that ardent anti-Communists are against Irina Bokova only because of her father, which is rather simmilar to the Communist attitude. Kostja ( talk) 15:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
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How about some argumentation when using "POV Pusher" labels?
I understand why people disagree with judging Ms. Bokova by who her father was. But the fact that there is such critique in Bulgaria remains a fact never-the-less and it was reflected in the international media. Reporting this fact (not advocating for the judgement) is perfectly legitimate on a wiki article referring to a "current event". Even more so is the fact that the Bulgarian debate is moving from some the vague general referrals to her father's past to focus on Ms. Bokova's own reaction (or lack thereof) to the substantiated allegations of the execution of notable cultural figure by her father as she is assuming the leadership of the world's cultural organisation. Besides the current internal reactions, this fact could have a continuous relevance, as Ms. Bokova will certainly have to deal with commemoration of artists and intellectuals executed by various authoritarian regimes. She may even have to defend ones that are presently tortured. And just imagine if there is an initiative that UNESCO commemorates Rajko Alexiev (as it did with Vapcarov). Thus, reporting this aspect of the current Bulgarian controversy is perfectly pertinent. Karadjin ( talk) 16:24, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Nobody is blaming Ms. Bokova for crimes committed by her father. However, the information is relevant because there is controversy over Ms. Bokova's figure in Bulgaria on these grounds, and it is not every day that people with such background become high-profile international officials. We should keep this information in the article, provided it stays NPOV. Ivanicov ( talk) 13:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I see, you editors here are all bulgarians, you are trying to hide your shame. Don't try to do it, if this is really a neutral encyclopedia (even one on the internet), why don't you show the reality? She may be great person, but her origin MUST be shown! It's important what her father did, she won her education and respectively her new duties thanks to her father and the death of Rayko Aleksiev. If Georgi Bokov never killed him how was he supposed to take his place of member of the Central Committee of BCP and editor-in-chief of Workers' Deed? If the editors of this article don't know the story or if they are ex members of BCP or if they are under the infuse of some patriotic feelings (bulgarian director of UNESCO), they CAN NOT be neutral! Some western or whatever (just not from Bulgaria, or other post communistic countries) should join the editing process.
Or Wikipedia is just not objective source. Thanks.
The name of this article is not Georgi Bokov. 13:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Not, BUT it's important for HER personality as well. Already told it here. Don't try to hide the truth under some fake arguments, one sentence about her father won't change the topic. It can be moved to the refs only if there is separate article about G.B.
Sock, just create articles abouth this persons. That you have make is communist manner of work. Jingby ( talk) 13:36, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
And were not the communists the guys that were hiding the truth? And were not the communists who killing in order this truth to stay hidden? You are the one with communist manner or you are just trying to hide your shame.
Since many people quote the book "Hot red", it seems I am the only one, who actually spent some time reading it, and as a result, I published a detailed description of all versions of the death of Mr. Raiko Alexiev. Based on the advice of one of the Wikipedia editors, I moved all the details of this tragic death into the discussion page (in Bulgarian). Here's a brief summary:
Remark from the editor:
This article Irina Bokova article stated - "She defeated [nine candidates] at the election in Paris, with Farouk Hosny ultimately being defeated by 31-27 in the fifth and last round of voting". But UNESCO stated that "[Eight candidates] ran for the position, and 58 countries voted for them".
I want to know -
Have a nice day. - Subrata Roy ( talk) 10:52, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Why nothing on her appeasing Arab bloc and canceling the 3500 exhibit in Paris? 204.14.66.194 ( talk) 02:35, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
The following statement from the main article has no evidence in the quoted sources, therefore I am moving it here, until such source is found:
I have also edited the information about her visiting Moscow around May 9. From her interview, she's not doing anything different than Mrs. Merkel, but we will have to wait until May 9, and see. Veni Markovski | Вени Марковски ( talk) 19:49, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that there is a new anonymous user, who has made about a dozen edits in the last days of 2015, and continues in 2016. While some of his/her edits are correct, others are quite out of order. "Vassko" User_talk:Vassko may be better discussing issues first here, before trying again to edit. Veni Markovski | Вени Марковски ( talk) 18:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
vassko ( talk) 18:13, 5 January 2016 (UTC)===In the media=== I see no reason to have a special section "In the media". Mrs. Bokova is a well-known figure, a world leader, and there are articles about her on almost daily or weekly basis. It seems only logical that if one starts publishing news pieces, just to say what's written about her, then the Wikipedia article soon will become only a reference page for news stories. Veni Markovski | Вени Марковски ( talk) 18:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
Veni you have been COI #tagged here. You have some special reasons to edit her page out of any controversial links to her past and current world media coverage about her.
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Bokova features as a main character in three plays by Paris-based UK playwright Nick Awde – Bruges (The Europeans Part 1; Edinburgh Festival 2014), Antwerp (The Europeans Part 2; Edinburgh Festival 2015), and Tervuren (The Europeans Part 3; 2016). citation needed
Frontrunner for top UN job exaggerates biography by German Die Welt [2]
UNESCO boss coiffed their resume by German Die Welt (UNESCO chief Irina Bokova will necessarily be 2016 UN Secretary General. For the Bulgarian cheat even a little in their past - and set out on your CV to Foreign Minister.) [3]
Bulgarian Communist and UNESCO Boss Irina Bokova May Lead UN (Video) [4]
Russia Wants the Next UN Chief to Be Eastern European, Lavrov Says By Bulgarian Novinite.com [5]
Veni, I am not anonymous (I am Vassko as the internet knows me) as some of the users who are editing Bokova's page and removing content. I know what COI is, thank you. I had not add the media page, I only added recent articles about her, which YOU found that they are not relevant and no one else.
Veni, quick question? Are you still part of the Bulgarian General Assembly for the UN? as stated here? [6] http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N14/718/15/PDF/N1471815.pdf?OpenElement If so, you do have COI issue just based on this, who knows what else. I will prove it, it may take me some time, but I have my connections and my sources too. Yes, I have tried to make some changes to the page about Bokova and no, I am not an expert, but every time myself or others try to add any info that is showing a different side of Bokova or different info about her, you and a few other anonymous users delete it with lame remarks. The news articles that you removed are very relevant and is not up to you or me to decide if they are or not. You have 17 edits on her page too, mine are minor - Minister, vs. acting... etc. This has opened my eyes about who you are and who you support. What are you going to get out of this? This is now recorded and time will show, but please don't think we are idiots.
Oops, Veni, you have made a few more edits than 17. Sorry, I misspoke ( Special:Contributions/Вени Марковски)
Funny how reverse psychology works, now I have what I needed for my research.. vassko ( talk) 21:57, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
He edited again in her page the (ad intern) out and left it as if she was a Minister... (minor edit, right), ok Acting is still there. He took references to her Political party BSP in the header, maybe he knows better if he is a personal friend or also a BPS party member, I don't know, but this again asks the question why this is edited out. Just because you don't find the coverage of the new American ( /info/en/?search=The_New_American) to be reliable, that does not mean that this is not a good coverage of politics and news from US perspective. vassko ( talk) 18:13, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
TO ALL EDITORS, Some of you keep changing her Minister title. The job title of Minister needs to be edited and ad intern needs to be added. This is how she has updated her UNESCO profile after the recent inquiries about her work history. ( http://www.unesco.org/new/en/unesco/about-us/who-we-are/director-general/biography/) which shows - (a.i.). On top, the wikipedia page dedicated to real Bulgarian Ministers does not even lists her as one ( /info/en/?search=Ministry_of_Foreign_Affairs_(Bulgaria)). My brother's great grandfather Atanas Burov was a real Minister... vassko ( talk) 19:37, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Why is Bokova not listed as a Minister at all on the official Web Site of the Bulgarian government (Министерство на външните работи) - МИНИСТРИ НА ВЪНШНИТЕ РАБОТИ НА БЪЛГАРИЯ (
http://www.mfa.bg/bg/pages/250/index.html)? This needs to be addressed and in the meantime, her job title may need to be updated/chaged...
This is also published here" "Ms. Irina Bokova has not been voted for minister of foreign affairs by the Bulgarian parliament, as stipulated by the Constitution. From a legal point of view Ms Irina Bokova has been 'acting minister of foreign affairs of the Republic of Bulgaria' and she should not be entitled otherwise", says the statement of the Foreign Ministry in Sofia. The official list by the Foreign Ministry does not name Bokova as an office holder." http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article150296745/Frontrunner-for-top-UN-job-exaggerates-biography.html vassko ( talk) 21:05, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
At the same time, an investigative news outlet has questioned how Bokova, on her official salary, has been able to afford a $3m property in New York. [9] Investigative news outlets have also questioned Bokova's integrity over the appointment of subordinates. [10]
There is some evidence to suggest that Bokova's candidacy is promoted by a PR Agency, APCO_Worldwide in a coordinated campaign that places articles (including some of those quoted above) in various news outlets around the world. [11] It is not clear who pays for the campaign at this point.
Veni Markovski I made those additions. The entire previous passage is highly problematic, and only includes highly flattering pieces. So why not take out the self-promotion? If you are of the opinion that there are better sources that highlight some publicly voiced concerns about Bokova, you could add nuance, or update the references. Right now, the article is not NPOV, it is like an item written by a PR agency. So if there are published doubts about her integrity, this is notable, and readers can then make up their own minds. In that regard, thanks for disclosing who you are. It says on your site that you do PR work, and have worked with Permanent Missions at the UN (and many other great things, of course), and also have been on panels with Bokova. That of course can happen, and it's also OK that you describe her appointment (on your blog) as "great news for my country" but you repeatedly added items that other users have flagged as "self-promotion", and removed aspects that are critical. So the section on questions raised by investigative outlets (only underlined by what is happening here right now) should go back in, by NPOV standards. Also, can we be clear that there is no COI here? Hundnase ( talk) 12:02, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
At the same time, an investigative news outlet has questioned how Bokova's family, on their declared official salary, have been able to afford a $3m property in New York. [9] Media outlets have also highlighted questions about Bokova's judgement in appointing some subordinates. [12] [13]
One investigative outlet suggests that Bokova's candidacy currently is promoted by a PR Agency, APCO_Worldwide in a coordinated campaign that places articles (allegedly including some of those quoted above) in various news outlets around the world. [11] In December 2015, the Bulgarian government had stated that it allocated approximately $60.000 to Bokova's campaign for Secretary General, without yet indicating how these funds would be spent. [14]
To move beyond the debate above, we need to separate information on the Bulgarian nomination and candidacy from endorsements. (Note that some of these endorsements still need cleaning up, and look clumsy. So if you are a particular fan of her candidacy, you may want to edit those to appear professional.) I have added a section on endorsements, and it is of course reasonable that these are mentioned. But they should be flagged as such, otherwise this is one-sided promotion and not NPOV. To the extent that credible sources highlight concerns and criticisms, these should also be included, for NPOV. I think this is a sensible and balanced approach, following established practice. Hundnase ( talk) 17:07, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Just for your information: she has never been Minister of Foreign Affairs of Bulgaria, just worked in the office. Cruks ( talk) 21:37, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
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The main problem with this page is the bullet list sections that could be written as prose. The awards section is also absurdly long and needs some sort of trim. As evidence by the discussions above, this article seem to have been very controversial when Bokova was running to become Secretary-General of the United Nations in 2016. Any user wishing to clean up this article should probably take a look at the concerns outlined above and correct any non-neutral POV text now that the controversy has been diffused. Mottezen ( talk) 21:44, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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In the entry section, there is this phrase, regarding terrorism: "Her approach to the latter involves enforcing the protection of intellectual goods." What does that mean? Protecting what exactly? Can we please clean up this article in general, parts of it remain imprecise. Also, "a firm opponent" is evaluative language, this should be stated more neutrally. Hundnase ( talk) 18:36, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
we again see that one User who has a very clear CoI (documented extensively below) comes in and undertakes edits, in this case to make information on Bokova's husband (who now is the target of extensive corruption allegations) far less visible. This really has to stop. Wikipedia pages are not vanity pages, they need to represent information. That this user goes in, and edits out information on September 7, after a the Guardian publishes an investigationon September 4, is entirely unacceptable and again, this user has a CoI.
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One generally does not get an MBA in IR. The entry needs correction and/or citations.-- 128.54.238.5 ( talk) 04:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I made the change, adding the cited fact, that Bokova is of Macedonian ancestry.-- Kiril Simeonovski ( talk) 11:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Your opinion is not a POV, but extreme POV. Jingby ( talk) 13:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Her father was a prominent Communist Party member. No wonder she ended up in a position of power herself. Did anyone in Bulgaria rejoice over her election, btw?
It seems that there is a group of former Yugoslavs from FYROM who stubbornly vandalize many Wikipedia pages related to Bulgaria, trying to spread the old Yugoslav Nazi ideology about "ethnic Macedonians". For these persons I would like to point out that in the Bulgarian language the word "Macedonian" means "a Bulgarian from the region of Macedonia". It has nothing to do with the Yugoslav invented "ethnic Macedonians" from FYROM. So please first learn Bulgarian and only then cite Bulgarian sources. Vedm ( talk) 18:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
1. Important Matter. There are substantiated claims that Ms. Bokova's father Mr. Georgi Bokov is the perpetrator citation needed of the assassination of the Bulgarian artist, cartoonist, satirist, journalist and publisher Raiko Alexiev (penname Fra Diavolo)in the days immediately after the communist coup of September 9, 1944.
2. Prima Facie Substantiation. The claims are detailed in the documentary book "Goreshto Cherveno" ("Hot Red")by Ivaila Alexandrova, Sofia 2008, ISBN: 978 954 491 409 7. Written by a reputable Bulgarian journalist, the book is based on interviews with Mr. Alexiev's surviving wife and on documents. It has been awarded for journalistic achievement by the Union of Bulgarian Journalists - a recognized non-political professional organisation.
3. No Refutation by Bokova. Ms Bokova has never commented publicly on these allegations - neither to deny them, nor to give a moral judgement.
4. Relevance. This fact is of great importance as Ms. Bokova is assuming the post of UNESCO's Director General. It is going to affect her ability to lead in cases of infringement of artistic and journalistic freedom and in cases such people are prosecuted, tortured and executed. Her pedigree has been the subject of comments in all international press, so this establishes the relevance of the family background of someone taking up such a prominent position. All the more relevant is the fact that Ms. Bokova's father was not simply a prominent communist but probably an executioner of a key intellectual figure for political reasons. If confirmed, this fact would qualify strongly the assessment of her personal and professional making and morals. It will have a growing bearing on her reputation at UNESKO. All these issues are the matter of increasingly heated public debate in Bulgaria and will no doubt spill over internationally.
5. A Word of Advise. Instead of trying to suppress the information on the matter on wiki and other places why not advise Ms. Bokova to engage in some better form of damage management by issuing a detailed statement on the matter?
Please, create a new article about her father, whose name is still not active on Wikipedia (in red). Afterwards his name would be active (in blu) and who is interested in his biography can receive this info after clicking on his name, i.e. Georgi Bokov. Thank you! Jingby ( talk) 08:20, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I find it ironic that ardent anti-Communists are against Irina Bokova only because of her father, which is rather simmilar to the Communist attitude. Kostja ( talk) 15:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
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How about some argumentation when using "POV Pusher" labels?
I understand why people disagree with judging Ms. Bokova by who her father was. But the fact that there is such critique in Bulgaria remains a fact never-the-less and it was reflected in the international media. Reporting this fact (not advocating for the judgement) is perfectly legitimate on a wiki article referring to a "current event". Even more so is the fact that the Bulgarian debate is moving from some the vague general referrals to her father's past to focus on Ms. Bokova's own reaction (or lack thereof) to the substantiated allegations of the execution of notable cultural figure by her father as she is assuming the leadership of the world's cultural organisation. Besides the current internal reactions, this fact could have a continuous relevance, as Ms. Bokova will certainly have to deal with commemoration of artists and intellectuals executed by various authoritarian regimes. She may even have to defend ones that are presently tortured. And just imagine if there is an initiative that UNESCO commemorates Rajko Alexiev (as it did with Vapcarov). Thus, reporting this aspect of the current Bulgarian controversy is perfectly pertinent. Karadjin ( talk) 16:24, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Nobody is blaming Ms. Bokova for crimes committed by her father. However, the information is relevant because there is controversy over Ms. Bokova's figure in Bulgaria on these grounds, and it is not every day that people with such background become high-profile international officials. We should keep this information in the article, provided it stays NPOV. Ivanicov ( talk) 13:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I see, you editors here are all bulgarians, you are trying to hide your shame. Don't try to do it, if this is really a neutral encyclopedia (even one on the internet), why don't you show the reality? She may be great person, but her origin MUST be shown! It's important what her father did, she won her education and respectively her new duties thanks to her father and the death of Rayko Aleksiev. If Georgi Bokov never killed him how was he supposed to take his place of member of the Central Committee of BCP and editor-in-chief of Workers' Deed? If the editors of this article don't know the story or if they are ex members of BCP or if they are under the infuse of some patriotic feelings (bulgarian director of UNESCO), they CAN NOT be neutral! Some western or whatever (just not from Bulgaria, or other post communistic countries) should join the editing process.
Or Wikipedia is just not objective source. Thanks.
The name of this article is not Georgi Bokov. 13:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Not, BUT it's important for HER personality as well. Already told it here. Don't try to hide the truth under some fake arguments, one sentence about her father won't change the topic. It can be moved to the refs only if there is separate article about G.B.
Sock, just create articles abouth this persons. That you have make is communist manner of work. Jingby ( talk) 13:36, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
And were not the communists the guys that were hiding the truth? And were not the communists who killing in order this truth to stay hidden? You are the one with communist manner or you are just trying to hide your shame.
Since many people quote the book "Hot red", it seems I am the only one, who actually spent some time reading it, and as a result, I published a detailed description of all versions of the death of Mr. Raiko Alexiev. Based on the advice of one of the Wikipedia editors, I moved all the details of this tragic death into the discussion page (in Bulgarian). Here's a brief summary:
Remark from the editor:
This article Irina Bokova article stated - "She defeated [nine candidates] at the election in Paris, with Farouk Hosny ultimately being defeated by 31-27 in the fifth and last round of voting". But UNESCO stated that "[Eight candidates] ran for the position, and 58 countries voted for them".
I want to know -
Have a nice day. - Subrata Roy ( talk) 10:52, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Why nothing on her appeasing Arab bloc and canceling the 3500 exhibit in Paris? 204.14.66.194 ( talk) 02:35, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
The following statement from the main article has no evidence in the quoted sources, therefore I am moving it here, until such source is found:
I have also edited the information about her visiting Moscow around May 9. From her interview, she's not doing anything different than Mrs. Merkel, but we will have to wait until May 9, and see. Veni Markovski | Вени Марковски ( talk) 19:49, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that there is a new anonymous user, who has made about a dozen edits in the last days of 2015, and continues in 2016. While some of his/her edits are correct, others are quite out of order. "Vassko" User_talk:Vassko may be better discussing issues first here, before trying again to edit. Veni Markovski | Вени Марковски ( talk) 18:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
vassko ( talk) 18:13, 5 January 2016 (UTC)===In the media=== I see no reason to have a special section "In the media". Mrs. Bokova is a well-known figure, a world leader, and there are articles about her on almost daily or weekly basis. It seems only logical that if one starts publishing news pieces, just to say what's written about her, then the Wikipedia article soon will become only a reference page for news stories. Veni Markovski | Вени Марковски ( talk) 18:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
Veni you have been COI #tagged here. You have some special reasons to edit her page out of any controversial links to her past and current world media coverage about her.
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Bokova features as a main character in three plays by Paris-based UK playwright Nick Awde – Bruges (The Europeans Part 1; Edinburgh Festival 2014), Antwerp (The Europeans Part 2; Edinburgh Festival 2015), and Tervuren (The Europeans Part 3; 2016). citation needed
Frontrunner for top UN job exaggerates biography by German Die Welt [2]
UNESCO boss coiffed their resume by German Die Welt (UNESCO chief Irina Bokova will necessarily be 2016 UN Secretary General. For the Bulgarian cheat even a little in their past - and set out on your CV to Foreign Minister.) [3]
Bulgarian Communist and UNESCO Boss Irina Bokova May Lead UN (Video) [4]
Russia Wants the Next UN Chief to Be Eastern European, Lavrov Says By Bulgarian Novinite.com [5]
Veni, I am not anonymous (I am Vassko as the internet knows me) as some of the users who are editing Bokova's page and removing content. I know what COI is, thank you. I had not add the media page, I only added recent articles about her, which YOU found that they are not relevant and no one else.
Veni, quick question? Are you still part of the Bulgarian General Assembly for the UN? as stated here? [6] http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N14/718/15/PDF/N1471815.pdf?OpenElement If so, you do have COI issue just based on this, who knows what else. I will prove it, it may take me some time, but I have my connections and my sources too. Yes, I have tried to make some changes to the page about Bokova and no, I am not an expert, but every time myself or others try to add any info that is showing a different side of Bokova or different info about her, you and a few other anonymous users delete it with lame remarks. The news articles that you removed are very relevant and is not up to you or me to decide if they are or not. You have 17 edits on her page too, mine are minor - Minister, vs. acting... etc. This has opened my eyes about who you are and who you support. What are you going to get out of this? This is now recorded and time will show, but please don't think we are idiots.
Oops, Veni, you have made a few more edits than 17. Sorry, I misspoke ( Special:Contributions/Вени Марковски)
Funny how reverse psychology works, now I have what I needed for my research.. vassko ( talk) 21:57, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
He edited again in her page the (ad intern) out and left it as if she was a Minister... (minor edit, right), ok Acting is still there. He took references to her Political party BSP in the header, maybe he knows better if he is a personal friend or also a BPS party member, I don't know, but this again asks the question why this is edited out. Just because you don't find the coverage of the new American ( /info/en/?search=The_New_American) to be reliable, that does not mean that this is not a good coverage of politics and news from US perspective. vassko ( talk) 18:13, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
TO ALL EDITORS, Some of you keep changing her Minister title. The job title of Minister needs to be edited and ad intern needs to be added. This is how she has updated her UNESCO profile after the recent inquiries about her work history. ( http://www.unesco.org/new/en/unesco/about-us/who-we-are/director-general/biography/) which shows - (a.i.). On top, the wikipedia page dedicated to real Bulgarian Ministers does not even lists her as one ( /info/en/?search=Ministry_of_Foreign_Affairs_(Bulgaria)). My brother's great grandfather Atanas Burov was a real Minister... vassko ( talk) 19:37, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Why is Bokova not listed as a Minister at all on the official Web Site of the Bulgarian government (Министерство на външните работи) - МИНИСТРИ НА ВЪНШНИТЕ РАБОТИ НА БЪЛГАРИЯ (
http://www.mfa.bg/bg/pages/250/index.html)? This needs to be addressed and in the meantime, her job title may need to be updated/chaged...
This is also published here" "Ms. Irina Bokova has not been voted for minister of foreign affairs by the Bulgarian parliament, as stipulated by the Constitution. From a legal point of view Ms Irina Bokova has been 'acting minister of foreign affairs of the Republic of Bulgaria' and she should not be entitled otherwise", says the statement of the Foreign Ministry in Sofia. The official list by the Foreign Ministry does not name Bokova as an office holder." http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article150296745/Frontrunner-for-top-UN-job-exaggerates-biography.html vassko ( talk) 21:05, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
At the same time, an investigative news outlet has questioned how Bokova, on her official salary, has been able to afford a $3m property in New York. [9] Investigative news outlets have also questioned Bokova's integrity over the appointment of subordinates. [10]
There is some evidence to suggest that Bokova's candidacy is promoted by a PR Agency, APCO_Worldwide in a coordinated campaign that places articles (including some of those quoted above) in various news outlets around the world. [11] It is not clear who pays for the campaign at this point.
Veni Markovski I made those additions. The entire previous passage is highly problematic, and only includes highly flattering pieces. So why not take out the self-promotion? If you are of the opinion that there are better sources that highlight some publicly voiced concerns about Bokova, you could add nuance, or update the references. Right now, the article is not NPOV, it is like an item written by a PR agency. So if there are published doubts about her integrity, this is notable, and readers can then make up their own minds. In that regard, thanks for disclosing who you are. It says on your site that you do PR work, and have worked with Permanent Missions at the UN (and many other great things, of course), and also have been on panels with Bokova. That of course can happen, and it's also OK that you describe her appointment (on your blog) as "great news for my country" but you repeatedly added items that other users have flagged as "self-promotion", and removed aspects that are critical. So the section on questions raised by investigative outlets (only underlined by what is happening here right now) should go back in, by NPOV standards. Also, can we be clear that there is no COI here? Hundnase ( talk) 12:02, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
At the same time, an investigative news outlet has questioned how Bokova's family, on their declared official salary, have been able to afford a $3m property in New York. [9] Media outlets have also highlighted questions about Bokova's judgement in appointing some subordinates. [12] [13]
One investigative outlet suggests that Bokova's candidacy currently is promoted by a PR Agency, APCO_Worldwide in a coordinated campaign that places articles (allegedly including some of those quoted above) in various news outlets around the world. [11] In December 2015, the Bulgarian government had stated that it allocated approximately $60.000 to Bokova's campaign for Secretary General, without yet indicating how these funds would be spent. [14]
To move beyond the debate above, we need to separate information on the Bulgarian nomination and candidacy from endorsements. (Note that some of these endorsements still need cleaning up, and look clumsy. So if you are a particular fan of her candidacy, you may want to edit those to appear professional.) I have added a section on endorsements, and it is of course reasonable that these are mentioned. But they should be flagged as such, otherwise this is one-sided promotion and not NPOV. To the extent that credible sources highlight concerns and criticisms, these should also be included, for NPOV. I think this is a sensible and balanced approach, following established practice. Hundnase ( talk) 17:07, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Just for your information: she has never been Minister of Foreign Affairs of Bulgaria, just worked in the office. Cruks ( talk) 21:37, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
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The main problem with this page is the bullet list sections that could be written as prose. The awards section is also absurdly long and needs some sort of trim. As evidence by the discussions above, this article seem to have been very controversial when Bokova was running to become Secretary-General of the United Nations in 2016. Any user wishing to clean up this article should probably take a look at the concerns outlined above and correct any non-neutral POV text now that the controversy has been diffused. Mottezen ( talk) 21:44, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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