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' According to Dan Waniek, he -- along with Mircea Olteanu, Dan Jipa, and Stefan Stangaciu, in conjunction with the Computer Vision Research Group -- have spent 20 years studying experimental trans-iridial light therapy, in Romania. This claim has been partially substantiated by Vincenzo Di Spazio, "At the end of the 1980s, an evocative hypothesis was advanced on the part of iridologist and chronobiologist Dr. Dan Waniek, who postulated a non-visual function of the eye which he referred to as "Functio ocularis sistemica" (PHOS)." (2000) '
we should. Sam Spade 18:59, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)
there isn't a very good argument in favor of the Iridology article itself, outside of the above. It is a fringe science. I have discussed it with a medical proffessional who knew of it, and they seemed to find it humerous at best. On the other hand, yes; your reference to the streets of london is a perfect explanation. I'd like to have an in depth article on every person, living and dead. Maybe even have a dna blueprint for alot of them. Terrabytes are cheap, and the future is full of faster, bigger, cheaper and better. I don't see why we should draw the line on fringe science, so long as it is clear that is what they are. Do you honestly think Waniek & Co. is/are unqualified as Iridologists? How could anyone be? Are their schools for this? It isn't recognized as a medicine legally in the US, and so I would assume no liscensing is necessary. Is there a liscense for a Iridology in romania? Honestly, I prefer to get as much information as possible from as many sources as possible. It is really best to require the accuser to present the evidence. You accuse mr. waniak of being unqualified, but what is a qualified Iridologist? A snake oil salesman? A hypnotist? just what are the qualifications you'd like to have proved? Will mr waniak have to cure you of something? I'm already following the Iridology program (minus the light in my eyes part) as best as I can tell, so maybe I'm a qualified Iridologist ;) 'Wiki is not paper' is important to point out w silly extraneous articles like this one, and 'deletionism is anti-wiki', because the point is to ad to, repair, rewrite, produce more content. Simply deleting alone is anti-thetical. You must ad content as well, and prove your case with citations and facts. Personally, I'd love to see it investigated. Is their a romanian wikipedian who would be willing to look into mr waniak in person, ring him up and examine his creditials? We could all throw in and pay the fee's ;) Sam Spade 23:57, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)
exactly. NPOV is point, counter point, and sythesis where all agree. Sam Spade 10:15, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Well, its a good thing I never tried to describe Waniek as one of the world's "foremost experts"; despite my personal POV that Waniek is the most famous iridologist in all of eastern europe -- my addition was simply a notation that the person exists, and should be of interested to someone interested in iridology. Lirath Q. Pynnor
Since that section was completely irrelevant to the subject I moved it here.-- 192-94-73-5 16:47, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
Self-righteous culture never produces good arbiters. It does, however provide good movers :O) We all have a purpose in life, IP-FBI-Wikipolice. Pehaps yours is to watch tv :O) Oh, and now I know who you are. We still live under the Rule of Law, dude :O) - irismeister 17:25, 2004 May 16 (UTC)
Iriswardster, since you seem to have a problem with focusing, here's a second take at a competent discussion (as you loudly kept advocating until recently). I am copying below the discussion and would beg you remain focused on the discussion without involving your strong emotions about Theresa and the other admins:
I believe an explanation of the specific meaning of the terms controlled/uncontrolled should also be included with the "Evidence of Effectiveness" section. Does uncontrolled mean the iridological diagnosis was never validated against a standard evaluation of the patient in question? In that case the reference would not serve as a very good piece of evidence, would it?-- 192-94-73-5 17:06, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
Well, IMNSHO, IP-FBI-Wikipolice is not genuinely interested in iridology, or he wouldn't cut huge stuff from this page (in the infamous tradition inaugurated by Theresa) and harass or call the main contributor of these pages names. Disregard IP-FBI-Wikipolice's feigned interest, questions or culture. Now back to Wikie business as usual:
Theresa continues making a fool of herself "editing" this iridology stuff. In what concerns her "fight of flight" addition, there is a WARNING: This has nothing to do with the article! This is only something Theresa just cut and pasted from some dustbin, thinking this will raise her status from "dyslexic Wikicop" to some "medical editing" qualification.
Consider this a second warning: Theresa purposefully, systematically and rudely runs her boots, which are dirty, on the iridology article.
I recently had an open class. My students and I read what Theresa contributed and had a good healthy laugh. She made the day. For her, the ora serrata conveys the fight or flight physiology... Perhaps she was only talking about herself :O)
Ooh irismeister, you are soooo masterful!. You used two excalmation marks in the title and gave me a second warning. And for what? All I did was move the infobox and a few picture around. Wow what will you do when I make a real edit. I'm quaking in my boots with anticiiiiipation. theresa knott 13:16, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
PS: Have my two cents for it: In medical Wiki articles, it will take a looooooooooooooong time until you will make a real edit. In the mean time I can only hope your pleasure or at least your "anticiiiiipation" will last that long :O ) - irismeister 13:37, 2004 May 17 (UTC)
Oh I'm sure it will.Incidentally I've never been kicked out of my boots. You are confusing me with someone else i think. I like the feel of leather against my skin too much. If you want something removed from the article ask nicely instead of trying to insult me. I'm happy to oblige you if you ask nicely. theresa knott 13:43, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
I like the feel of leather against my skin too much.
Being the experienced medical doctor I am, and admiring your behavior, I never doubted it, sugar! You know I admire people for what they do best. You were born a person craving for lather and police fancy. But you are plain delirious. And square nuts. Besides, I am too old to take your sexual harassment otherwise than Police benefits for my hard editing work. Here, however, we are trying to concentrate on the iris stroma, dear. We all know whe we are, don't we, Theresa ? So I will put a warning on this page for more serious sysops than you are, my dear. Before you jump on the occasion, just a small reminder (try to focus honey, this is for the professional in you: How do you maintain those stupid sympathetic nervous system allegations, my dear ? Do you have some reference, any deep arcane knowledge, or is it only your point of view about how the iris stroma is innervated ? -
PS, for everybody: Using Word as Photoshop, with a revenge, desperatingly expecting others to correct her own mistakes, while writing on the Alternative Medicine talk page that she has plenty of time to lose, hmm, shall I continue?
An editor and a sysop writing anything but iridology on the iridology page is only a troll. She prevents real job being done, she turns Wiki into a market where volunteers lose their time contributing, and cops like she is lose everybody's time policing. Not to be continued, let alone reccommended. Just let her laugh all the time - for her own enjoyment (perhaps she needs it badly, judging from her venting alleged charms on the market place :O.)
Message for Theresa: get a life, dear! While John here, like in the Alternative Medicine page, project and hundreds of related articles is the only one doing the real work, very much to his honor, and the cause of health, let us all HELP him or at THE VERY LEAST let him REST unharassed, and hey, iridial studies, anyone ? :O) - irismeister 14:43, 2004 May 17 (UTC)
Irismeister it's leather not lather. Lather is what soap does when you put it in water. Leather is what police boots are made of. theresa knott 15:17, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
I wouldn't have thought it possible, but that overblown and self-important "related links" box has made this article even uglier than it was before - just as the overblown and self-important true-believer verbiage has made it virtually impossible to read. Fortunately, the terrible appearance might scare off people who don't realize how this has turned from an article into a soapbox (hey, maybe that's what "lather" means) - DavidWBrooks 15:21, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
I agree David. I've moved the infobox back to the top so that it doesn't make the article look totally stupid. The article IMO needs a complete rewrite. However I don't think i am the best person to do it. theresa knott 15:30, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
For both of you: You two are as good Wiki entertainment as ever. Thank you whole heartedly :O)
That cam links box looks terrible, and should be on the bottom of the page, if anywhere. Who chose that awful shade of orange for it anyway?
Sam [
Spade]
19:24, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
Also, irismeister you cannot edit this article ... but, I can. So, what do you want me to change for you? -- John Gohde 07:15, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
We'll have to think it again, John. The only thing left that's outstanding is your welcome and knowledgeable contributions, complete with Infobox ON TOP where it BELONGS, and the infobox as it is. We have to perform laser surgery to carefully remove all other interpolations, starting with the "fight or flight" theresa-branded factoid. The pupil reacts to light but this has nothing to do with whatever changes in the iris stroma as a consequence of autonomic influx. Theresa can't tell the difference between pupil and iris, let alone muscles and vessels in the iris stroma. This ANS influx is too subtle and important to be left unexplained. I will come back with a shortcut, once I'm off with policing the police around us :O)
The top of the article still feels a little cluttered
I wish
I do think you're a little quick to call Theresa's behavior
If someone thought the color of a box I made was revolting, well, I'm sure I wouldn't appreciate it much
The Dr. doesn't seem interested in discussing anything with me other than my status (according to him) as "Wikicop", else I'd do the deed myself
has refused to offer even one citation
I'm happy to add some of his suggestions if I can be given any assurance that more than a small group of iridologists believe them.
must be considered at least as rude as Theresa's comments?
Actually, John, I didn't complain about the color at all. :-)
if Irismeister wants to answer my question about interpolations, I think that makes the most sense.
Yeah, he wants - AT YOUR TURN, Bully Wikicop! I was answering JOHN's question, bad mannered Wikicop ! Or do you want to feel important in taking the LEAD'. Take the waiting time as a perfect opportunity to re-read your cabbage and pasta contribution (it doesn't deserve the plain vanilla tag - AND YOU WILL GET THE PICTURE OF WHAT "INTERPOLATION" MEANS, stupid ! OR JUST GO AHEAD, speak for me, answer AT MY PLACE
irismeister 12:44, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
verifiable and sourced information
That is AUTHORED, EDITED, PUBLISHED and REVIEWED by me - an authority - and Waniek, Popescu, Olteanu and Demea and EVERYBODY ELSE I KNOW while you look the other way and feign they didn't exist !!!! -
irismeister 12:44, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
Please be patient, John. I know you are :O) - irismeister 12:52, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
Folks, once I'm not sickened and HARASSED by interpolators, "fight or flight" contributors, leather-booted Wikicops, sensory-deprived, sexually-obsessed "sysops" advertising alleged charms while they draw tampons in Word, and by hip-hop color-box builders like David ANY MORE, I'll be back here with the real answer to John. In the mean time, thanks to your "contributions" for the last SIX MONTHS ROBBING MY TIME and RAPING my PATIENCE, I go vomit somewhere ! Yuck ! What a mess Wiki has become with ten Wikicops for each author ! - irismeister 12:52, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
theresa knott 13:23, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
The faxct that i have actually done what he asked and removed it from the article seems to have escapedhis notice
To replace with what, dear ? Can you do something properly without crying and begging for attention? Theresa, shut up - you are an embarassment for us all, trying the clean the mess, here, after you! Go use your Word Processor as a Thesaurus and not as an image editor, dear :O) Then go try to answer my question to the matter of iridology (12th such request) or else desist yourself like the nice little comic troll you are. Then stop trolling around medical articles, for in the last 6 months, with time lost with you, policing the wikicop you are, I could have become a millionaire :O°) I'm not bitter though. As you see, you entertain me after so much real work :O) By all means, do not stop now, without me finishing the enjoyment of the moment properly as I deserve, even with you :O) I had already thrown up, you know :O) -
irismeister 13:39, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
Oh dear :O) I knew it! It's too attractive for her! She's addicted to scissors! Wiki arsonists employed in the Wiki fire department :O) Wikibutchers at work! Theresa, aka the "editor" messing the iris-pupil distinguo now finessing the iris non-visual physiology :O° ) Wikicop invasion :°) HELP! This dying article is being massacred by the same Theresa who defigured it for the last 6th months! Don't expect me to clean the mess afterwards, again ! Theresa, dear, before you butcher whatever was left non-contaminated by your generous hands armed with scissors, try for once to focus on my iris-related question (13th such request) - irismeister 14:25, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
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' According to Dan Waniek, he -- along with Mircea Olteanu, Dan Jipa, and Stefan Stangaciu, in conjunction with the Computer Vision Research Group -- have spent 20 years studying experimental trans-iridial light therapy, in Romania. This claim has been partially substantiated by Vincenzo Di Spazio, "At the end of the 1980s, an evocative hypothesis was advanced on the part of iridologist and chronobiologist Dr. Dan Waniek, who postulated a non-visual function of the eye which he referred to as "Functio ocularis sistemica" (PHOS)." (2000) '
we should. Sam Spade 18:59, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)
there isn't a very good argument in favor of the Iridology article itself, outside of the above. It is a fringe science. I have discussed it with a medical proffessional who knew of it, and they seemed to find it humerous at best. On the other hand, yes; your reference to the streets of london is a perfect explanation. I'd like to have an in depth article on every person, living and dead. Maybe even have a dna blueprint for alot of them. Terrabytes are cheap, and the future is full of faster, bigger, cheaper and better. I don't see why we should draw the line on fringe science, so long as it is clear that is what they are. Do you honestly think Waniek & Co. is/are unqualified as Iridologists? How could anyone be? Are their schools for this? It isn't recognized as a medicine legally in the US, and so I would assume no liscensing is necessary. Is there a liscense for a Iridology in romania? Honestly, I prefer to get as much information as possible from as many sources as possible. It is really best to require the accuser to present the evidence. You accuse mr. waniak of being unqualified, but what is a qualified Iridologist? A snake oil salesman? A hypnotist? just what are the qualifications you'd like to have proved? Will mr waniak have to cure you of something? I'm already following the Iridology program (minus the light in my eyes part) as best as I can tell, so maybe I'm a qualified Iridologist ;) 'Wiki is not paper' is important to point out w silly extraneous articles like this one, and 'deletionism is anti-wiki', because the point is to ad to, repair, rewrite, produce more content. Simply deleting alone is anti-thetical. You must ad content as well, and prove your case with citations and facts. Personally, I'd love to see it investigated. Is their a romanian wikipedian who would be willing to look into mr waniak in person, ring him up and examine his creditials? We could all throw in and pay the fee's ;) Sam Spade 23:57, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)
exactly. NPOV is point, counter point, and sythesis where all agree. Sam Spade 10:15, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Well, its a good thing I never tried to describe Waniek as one of the world's "foremost experts"; despite my personal POV that Waniek is the most famous iridologist in all of eastern europe -- my addition was simply a notation that the person exists, and should be of interested to someone interested in iridology. Lirath Q. Pynnor
Since that section was completely irrelevant to the subject I moved it here.-- 192-94-73-5 16:47, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
Self-righteous culture never produces good arbiters. It does, however provide good movers :O) We all have a purpose in life, IP-FBI-Wikipolice. Pehaps yours is to watch tv :O) Oh, and now I know who you are. We still live under the Rule of Law, dude :O) - irismeister 17:25, 2004 May 16 (UTC)
Iriswardster, since you seem to have a problem with focusing, here's a second take at a competent discussion (as you loudly kept advocating until recently). I am copying below the discussion and would beg you remain focused on the discussion without involving your strong emotions about Theresa and the other admins:
I believe an explanation of the specific meaning of the terms controlled/uncontrolled should also be included with the "Evidence of Effectiveness" section. Does uncontrolled mean the iridological diagnosis was never validated against a standard evaluation of the patient in question? In that case the reference would not serve as a very good piece of evidence, would it?-- 192-94-73-5 17:06, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
Well, IMNSHO, IP-FBI-Wikipolice is not genuinely interested in iridology, or he wouldn't cut huge stuff from this page (in the infamous tradition inaugurated by Theresa) and harass or call the main contributor of these pages names. Disregard IP-FBI-Wikipolice's feigned interest, questions or culture. Now back to Wikie business as usual:
Theresa continues making a fool of herself "editing" this iridology stuff. In what concerns her "fight of flight" addition, there is a WARNING: This has nothing to do with the article! This is only something Theresa just cut and pasted from some dustbin, thinking this will raise her status from "dyslexic Wikicop" to some "medical editing" qualification.
Consider this a second warning: Theresa purposefully, systematically and rudely runs her boots, which are dirty, on the iridology article.
I recently had an open class. My students and I read what Theresa contributed and had a good healthy laugh. She made the day. For her, the ora serrata conveys the fight or flight physiology... Perhaps she was only talking about herself :O)
Ooh irismeister, you are soooo masterful!. You used two excalmation marks in the title and gave me a second warning. And for what? All I did was move the infobox and a few picture around. Wow what will you do when I make a real edit. I'm quaking in my boots with anticiiiiipation. theresa knott 13:16, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
PS: Have my two cents for it: In medical Wiki articles, it will take a looooooooooooooong time until you will make a real edit. In the mean time I can only hope your pleasure or at least your "anticiiiiipation" will last that long :O ) - irismeister 13:37, 2004 May 17 (UTC)
Oh I'm sure it will.Incidentally I've never been kicked out of my boots. You are confusing me with someone else i think. I like the feel of leather against my skin too much. If you want something removed from the article ask nicely instead of trying to insult me. I'm happy to oblige you if you ask nicely. theresa knott 13:43, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
I like the feel of leather against my skin too much.
Being the experienced medical doctor I am, and admiring your behavior, I never doubted it, sugar! You know I admire people for what they do best. You were born a person craving for lather and police fancy. But you are plain delirious. And square nuts. Besides, I am too old to take your sexual harassment otherwise than Police benefits for my hard editing work. Here, however, we are trying to concentrate on the iris stroma, dear. We all know whe we are, don't we, Theresa ? So I will put a warning on this page for more serious sysops than you are, my dear. Before you jump on the occasion, just a small reminder (try to focus honey, this is for the professional in you: How do you maintain those stupid sympathetic nervous system allegations, my dear ? Do you have some reference, any deep arcane knowledge, or is it only your point of view about how the iris stroma is innervated ? -
PS, for everybody: Using Word as Photoshop, with a revenge, desperatingly expecting others to correct her own mistakes, while writing on the Alternative Medicine talk page that she has plenty of time to lose, hmm, shall I continue?
An editor and a sysop writing anything but iridology on the iridology page is only a troll. She prevents real job being done, she turns Wiki into a market where volunteers lose their time contributing, and cops like she is lose everybody's time policing. Not to be continued, let alone reccommended. Just let her laugh all the time - for her own enjoyment (perhaps she needs it badly, judging from her venting alleged charms on the market place :O.)
Message for Theresa: get a life, dear! While John here, like in the Alternative Medicine page, project and hundreds of related articles is the only one doing the real work, very much to his honor, and the cause of health, let us all HELP him or at THE VERY LEAST let him REST unharassed, and hey, iridial studies, anyone ? :O) - irismeister 14:43, 2004 May 17 (UTC)
Irismeister it's leather not lather. Lather is what soap does when you put it in water. Leather is what police boots are made of. theresa knott 15:17, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
I wouldn't have thought it possible, but that overblown and self-important "related links" box has made this article even uglier than it was before - just as the overblown and self-important true-believer verbiage has made it virtually impossible to read. Fortunately, the terrible appearance might scare off people who don't realize how this has turned from an article into a soapbox (hey, maybe that's what "lather" means) - DavidWBrooks 15:21, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
I agree David. I've moved the infobox back to the top so that it doesn't make the article look totally stupid. The article IMO needs a complete rewrite. However I don't think i am the best person to do it. theresa knott 15:30, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
For both of you: You two are as good Wiki entertainment as ever. Thank you whole heartedly :O)
That cam links box looks terrible, and should be on the bottom of the page, if anywhere. Who chose that awful shade of orange for it anyway?
Sam [
Spade]
19:24, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
Also, irismeister you cannot edit this article ... but, I can. So, what do you want me to change for you? -- John Gohde 07:15, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
We'll have to think it again, John. The only thing left that's outstanding is your welcome and knowledgeable contributions, complete with Infobox ON TOP where it BELONGS, and the infobox as it is. We have to perform laser surgery to carefully remove all other interpolations, starting with the "fight or flight" theresa-branded factoid. The pupil reacts to light but this has nothing to do with whatever changes in the iris stroma as a consequence of autonomic influx. Theresa can't tell the difference between pupil and iris, let alone muscles and vessels in the iris stroma. This ANS influx is too subtle and important to be left unexplained. I will come back with a shortcut, once I'm off with policing the police around us :O)
The top of the article still feels a little cluttered
I wish
I do think you're a little quick to call Theresa's behavior
If someone thought the color of a box I made was revolting, well, I'm sure I wouldn't appreciate it much
The Dr. doesn't seem interested in discussing anything with me other than my status (according to him) as "Wikicop", else I'd do the deed myself
has refused to offer even one citation
I'm happy to add some of his suggestions if I can be given any assurance that more than a small group of iridologists believe them.
must be considered at least as rude as Theresa's comments?
Actually, John, I didn't complain about the color at all. :-)
if Irismeister wants to answer my question about interpolations, I think that makes the most sense.
Yeah, he wants - AT YOUR TURN, Bully Wikicop! I was answering JOHN's question, bad mannered Wikicop ! Or do you want to feel important in taking the LEAD'. Take the waiting time as a perfect opportunity to re-read your cabbage and pasta contribution (it doesn't deserve the plain vanilla tag - AND YOU WILL GET THE PICTURE OF WHAT "INTERPOLATION" MEANS, stupid ! OR JUST GO AHEAD, speak for me, answer AT MY PLACE
irismeister 12:44, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
verifiable and sourced information
That is AUTHORED, EDITED, PUBLISHED and REVIEWED by me - an authority - and Waniek, Popescu, Olteanu and Demea and EVERYBODY ELSE I KNOW while you look the other way and feign they didn't exist !!!! -
irismeister 12:44, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
Please be patient, John. I know you are :O) - irismeister 12:52, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
Folks, once I'm not sickened and HARASSED by interpolators, "fight or flight" contributors, leather-booted Wikicops, sensory-deprived, sexually-obsessed "sysops" advertising alleged charms while they draw tampons in Word, and by hip-hop color-box builders like David ANY MORE, I'll be back here with the real answer to John. In the mean time, thanks to your "contributions" for the last SIX MONTHS ROBBING MY TIME and RAPING my PATIENCE, I go vomit somewhere ! Yuck ! What a mess Wiki has become with ten Wikicops for each author ! - irismeister 12:52, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
theresa knott 13:23, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
The faxct that i have actually done what he asked and removed it from the article seems to have escapedhis notice
To replace with what, dear ? Can you do something properly without crying and begging for attention? Theresa, shut up - you are an embarassment for us all, trying the clean the mess, here, after you! Go use your Word Processor as a Thesaurus and not as an image editor, dear :O) Then go try to answer my question to the matter of iridology (12th such request) or else desist yourself like the nice little comic troll you are. Then stop trolling around medical articles, for in the last 6 months, with time lost with you, policing the wikicop you are, I could have become a millionaire :O°) I'm not bitter though. As you see, you entertain me after so much real work :O) By all means, do not stop now, without me finishing the enjoyment of the moment properly as I deserve, even with you :O) I had already thrown up, you know :O) -
irismeister 13:39, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
Oh dear :O) I knew it! It's too attractive for her! She's addicted to scissors! Wiki arsonists employed in the Wiki fire department :O) Wikibutchers at work! Theresa, aka the "editor" messing the iris-pupil distinguo now finessing the iris non-visual physiology :O° ) Wikicop invasion :°) HELP! This dying article is being massacred by the same Theresa who defigured it for the last 6th months! Don't expect me to clean the mess afterwards, again ! Theresa, dear, before you butcher whatever was left non-contaminated by your generous hands armed with scissors, try for once to focus on my iris-related question (13th such request) - irismeister 14:25, 2004 May 19 (UTC)