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where does the name 'iran' come from?
I want to add somewhere that Iran was a bitter foe of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. but I don't know where to place the vital tidbit. any suggestions? Kingturtle 01:50 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC)
You can put that in the foreign relations of Iran page. [[User:Kraften|Kraften
I think it would be useful to put more dates into the Solar calender, dates which are traditionally celebrated in osme form , even if they are not part of a government calender, e.g. shab-e yalda or Sizdah-be-dah, but I do not know the Iranian calender well enough to put them in. Refdoc 13:04, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I've expanded an article on Neyshabur (Nishapur); could someone please add the Persian name to the article? -- ChrisO 09:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
There is a dispute if there exists a national motto of Iran. I could not find any source confirming the existance of a national motto for Iran. Although the motto "Allah-u Akbar" is a part of the official flag according to the Iranian constitution, it is not called the official motto anywhere. I would appreciate if someone could find the original source. Roozbeh 15:22, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)
One of the marking traits of Iranian foreign policy in the beginnings of the Islamic Republic was support to various terrorist groups targetting Europe and Israel. Yet, somebody reverted this explanation I added WITHOUT GIVING ANY EXPLANATION ON THE TALK PAGE.
If we are to discuss in the preceding paragraph why the Shah was bad, we may as well explain why the outside world largely considered Iran to be a terrorist state. David.Monniaux 16:46, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
I removed your obviously hostile and prejudiced injections into the article with a brief explanation. You don't seem to understand that Wikipedia is not set up to promote US Department of State's point of view on world politics. I also took a brief look at some of your other contirbutions and noticed an unmistakable mentality of "Western world vs. Non-Western world". Frankly, that amounts to hatemongering and prejudice. --K1 00:51, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Iran is NOT a terrorist state nor a sponsor of terrorism. The only countries who make this claim against Iran are USA and Israel (and whoever they can influence to support their arrogant stance). You keep claiming the "most Western countries" consider Iran to be a terrorist country. Why don't you name these countries that constitute "most Western countires" for us? Even if Iran was what you claim it to be with regards to terrorism, compared to acts of terrorism by Israel+USA it would pale. You are obviously an anti-islam bigot and hatemonger and this is why you support the bullshit about Iran's "terroristic acitivities" which only the USA+Israel alliance pushes, just because Iran now has an Islamic regime. --K1 08:34, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
David, first learn that this is not USENET. DO NOT disect people's comments and inject your own answers in the middle. Secondly, by yelling and screaming and emphacising with asterisks, you are not gonna reinforce your weak argument. You keep saying "most Western world" and "most Europepan countries", when I ask you to name these countries, you say it is a *FACT* !!! take a chill-pill, stay with facts, and learn that your mommy is not here, you cannot do anything that you damn well please here. Stay with facts. I am gonna take out your bullshit from the article again. --K1 08:50, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Well, I have been an active part of this community also and a contributor to Wikipedia. This guy, as you can see from his childish attitude, is now even resorting to threats with bans calling my behaviour "abuse", and of course his behaviour is "Western" and civilized!! Examine my past contributions and this guy's so-called contributions. He is clearly of the mindset of "Western world vs. Islamic world" and he is contaminating Wikipedia articles with his venom. Also, the fact that he is changing the main article before even allowing any discussions to reach some sort of conclusion shows stubbornness on his part and a mentality of revert wars. --K1 09:46, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
David you are a ____head and an obnoxious nerd. I did not call your mother anything, I just said "your mommy is not here" meaning, stop behaving like a child. Are you really so stupid that you need every simple thing interpreted and explained for you or are you really such a pathetic nerd who enjoys to argue with people just for the sake of argument? Anyway, you don't need to reply, I am done with you. --K1 10:09, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC) K-1 Is clearly an anti semite, using the same ad hoc response placing America and Israel together. this smacks of anti-zionist propaganda speech that is just below the surface. The childish responses to David are clear indications of his/her imbalance and he/she should be ignored.
Hello Fishal. I do not have any problems with the term "Western world" per se, in fact, I myself use it when appropriate. The problem with this guy (whom I had closed the case on already) was that examining some of his other article modifications, it was evident that he is trying to create an atmosphere of "Western world versus Islamic world" and it was his mentality that I had problem with, not the term itself. When I see people take advantage of Wikipedia to impose their personal, political or ideological agenda, it bugs me. --K1 05:43, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I would recommend re-reading the project pages Avoid "Terrorist" and NPOV tutorial. Roozbeh 23:30, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I think the term "terrorist state" is unfortunate and was probably only ever used by Americans and American sockpuppets. It somehow implies you lot, Roozbeh and friends, all running around with balaklavas and AK47, the ring of a handgrenade between the teeth and sporting an evil grin... ;-) If we look at "accusing the Iranian government supporting terrorist organisations", or "relationsships disturbed dt accusation of government supporting terrorist activities on own soil" the list becomes a lot longer and suddenly includes long time faithful friends. The two most important countries in this last category are then - I think - France and Germany. Both were very upset about various political murders happening on their soil - Myconos, Bakhtiari etc, this despite being in general very tolerant and cooperative even with some of the more lunatic rethoric coming from time to time out of Tehran University friday sermons... (Sorry, these are the talk pages, I am allowed to be POV) Refdoc 10:09, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
David you're very ignorant to believe that whatever America says is worth mentioning here! "Lunatic rhetoric", very true!
Why is this page protected, who did it, and why didn't you mention it here? Are you afraid to let us know who you are? (although you might just be some benign sysop, i've no idea)-- naryathegreat 22:19, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)
An anonymous user keeps changing the "and" form double named provinces to "va". I believe the former is preferable for following reason: At least one of the provinces is fairly well known among English readers ('Sistan and Baluchistan' is unfortunately infamous for heroin smuggling) so a change of that particular province's name would make the list less useful. The other "double names" should then fall into line to have a consistent picture. Refdoc 12:43, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Translating pieces of the name of a foreign province into English does not seem logical. Other languages do not translate pieces of the name Newfoundland into their own language in their books. Or when talking about Karakorum you don't say Black-Korum! Translating some pieces in the names of the Iranian provinces such as "va" does not seem correct to me.
_____
Actually there are more problems with the name of those provinces than "va". Like In Chahar Mahaal "and" Bakhtiari, the long Persian aa is used in one instance and forgoten in other places. If we want to show the long aa in transcription we should write "Chahaar Mahaal "va/and" Bakhtyaari". Also the form Bakhtyari is much more common than Bakhtiari. And Kohgiluye (the Mount of the histircal ruler of the region name Giluyeh) is more correct than Kohkiluyeh. But I understand your arguments about the Wikipedia being interwoven and will be more carefull in changing stuff. I think I become a member soon. Thanks for the suggestion. Take care.
I think there are actually "official" transcription rules which sort of cover mcuh of our difficulties. trouble is they are not always well applied adn sometimes there are naming conventions which can not be altered anymore - e.g. German for Tehran is Teheran. Wrt the "aa" - it looks clumsy and should be rather generally out than in - and I do think the relevant rules are here on my side - but i am not too sure. The other common inconsistency is the use of "q" vs "gh" - we do here both and without much rhyme or reason. Refdoc 18:07, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
" Non-Muslim religious minorities include Bahá'ís and Zoroastrians, both being religions that originated in Iran, as well as Jews and Christians. Only the latter three are officially recognised minority religions." Three religions? Four are described. I guess it means christians are recognised? Seems odd to me. CJWilly
"Since the revolution of 1979 the Supreme Leader is the rahbar, or in absence of a single leader a council of religious leaders." - What does this sentence mean? It sounds like they are saying that the Supreme Leader is a person with the title "rahbar", and that title literally means "in the absense of a single leader a council of religious leaders". However, that last phrase "in the absense of a single leader a council of religious leaders" doesn't make sense? Jogback 15:55, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
It would be nifty to estimate the religious demographics ("Twelvers", Ishmaelis, etc). Jogback 15:55, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The article on Iran gives one number on the percentage of persians in the population, the article on Iranian demographics gives another. So, what is right? // Rudolf 1922 18:24, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Someone keeps vandalizing the Demographics of Iran page. They might be vandalizing this one too; I don't know. The 51% stat comes from the CIA World Factbook, and somebody keeps saying that this is incorrect. It's all written up in Talk:Demographics of Iran. Fishal 15:38, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
-- Mani1 11:06, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Why don't we simply consider the inhabitants of Iran as Iranians ? This type of discussions can generate frustrations and misunderstandings. I don't think we really need them. Iran is going through a very difficult period and we (Iranians) must forget about this "second world war type" of discussions. We are all Iranians and proud about it. Cheers, Babak.
i suppose everybody knows that iran is developing nuclear weapons (or at least those are the allegations) and have been busy with the project (iran maintains that the nuclear facility is for civillian purposes only) for some time now. and while america does not accept the project europe is more leniant. china has economic interest to be on irans side too. but im curious to know what other people think...?
I removed some stuff from the Demographics section. Demographics isn't about what is taught in schools, or roots of a language. Also, "disputed majority" is nonsensical; a big chunk of the paragraph already explains various other claims. Don't go overboard with the whole NPOV doodad. Kaveh 11:51, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Pls as I am not familiar with computers and internet I did not know how to enter a relevant page or create a new page for this question or put forward my request properly,that is why that I am using this page.My quest is: I am searching for a meaningful etymology of the name IRAN and also some palce names like OURA (or as written in Persian: alef, vav, re, he) and also Natanz and there are some other names.I invite people who are well versed on this subject to forward their comments or if they wish they can communicate with me through my e-mail "makalmu@yahoo.com" with many thanks,Ellie.
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | → | Archive 5 |
where does the name 'iran' come from?
I want to add somewhere that Iran was a bitter foe of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. but I don't know where to place the vital tidbit. any suggestions? Kingturtle 01:50 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC)
You can put that in the foreign relations of Iran page. [[User:Kraften|Kraften
I think it would be useful to put more dates into the Solar calender, dates which are traditionally celebrated in osme form , even if they are not part of a government calender, e.g. shab-e yalda or Sizdah-be-dah, but I do not know the Iranian calender well enough to put them in. Refdoc 13:04, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I've expanded an article on Neyshabur (Nishapur); could someone please add the Persian name to the article? -- ChrisO 09:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
There is a dispute if there exists a national motto of Iran. I could not find any source confirming the existance of a national motto for Iran. Although the motto "Allah-u Akbar" is a part of the official flag according to the Iranian constitution, it is not called the official motto anywhere. I would appreciate if someone could find the original source. Roozbeh 15:22, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)
One of the marking traits of Iranian foreign policy in the beginnings of the Islamic Republic was support to various terrorist groups targetting Europe and Israel. Yet, somebody reverted this explanation I added WITHOUT GIVING ANY EXPLANATION ON THE TALK PAGE.
If we are to discuss in the preceding paragraph why the Shah was bad, we may as well explain why the outside world largely considered Iran to be a terrorist state. David.Monniaux 16:46, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
I removed your obviously hostile and prejudiced injections into the article with a brief explanation. You don't seem to understand that Wikipedia is not set up to promote US Department of State's point of view on world politics. I also took a brief look at some of your other contirbutions and noticed an unmistakable mentality of "Western world vs. Non-Western world". Frankly, that amounts to hatemongering and prejudice. --K1 00:51, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Iran is NOT a terrorist state nor a sponsor of terrorism. The only countries who make this claim against Iran are USA and Israel (and whoever they can influence to support their arrogant stance). You keep claiming the "most Western countries" consider Iran to be a terrorist country. Why don't you name these countries that constitute "most Western countires" for us? Even if Iran was what you claim it to be with regards to terrorism, compared to acts of terrorism by Israel+USA it would pale. You are obviously an anti-islam bigot and hatemonger and this is why you support the bullshit about Iran's "terroristic acitivities" which only the USA+Israel alliance pushes, just because Iran now has an Islamic regime. --K1 08:34, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
David, first learn that this is not USENET. DO NOT disect people's comments and inject your own answers in the middle. Secondly, by yelling and screaming and emphacising with asterisks, you are not gonna reinforce your weak argument. You keep saying "most Western world" and "most Europepan countries", when I ask you to name these countries, you say it is a *FACT* !!! take a chill-pill, stay with facts, and learn that your mommy is not here, you cannot do anything that you damn well please here. Stay with facts. I am gonna take out your bullshit from the article again. --K1 08:50, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Well, I have been an active part of this community also and a contributor to Wikipedia. This guy, as you can see from his childish attitude, is now even resorting to threats with bans calling my behaviour "abuse", and of course his behaviour is "Western" and civilized!! Examine my past contributions and this guy's so-called contributions. He is clearly of the mindset of "Western world vs. Islamic world" and he is contaminating Wikipedia articles with his venom. Also, the fact that he is changing the main article before even allowing any discussions to reach some sort of conclusion shows stubbornness on his part and a mentality of revert wars. --K1 09:46, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
David you are a ____head and an obnoxious nerd. I did not call your mother anything, I just said "your mommy is not here" meaning, stop behaving like a child. Are you really so stupid that you need every simple thing interpreted and explained for you or are you really such a pathetic nerd who enjoys to argue with people just for the sake of argument? Anyway, you don't need to reply, I am done with you. --K1 10:09, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC) K-1 Is clearly an anti semite, using the same ad hoc response placing America and Israel together. this smacks of anti-zionist propaganda speech that is just below the surface. The childish responses to David are clear indications of his/her imbalance and he/she should be ignored.
Hello Fishal. I do not have any problems with the term "Western world" per se, in fact, I myself use it when appropriate. The problem with this guy (whom I had closed the case on already) was that examining some of his other article modifications, it was evident that he is trying to create an atmosphere of "Western world versus Islamic world" and it was his mentality that I had problem with, not the term itself. When I see people take advantage of Wikipedia to impose their personal, political or ideological agenda, it bugs me. --K1 05:43, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I would recommend re-reading the project pages Avoid "Terrorist" and NPOV tutorial. Roozbeh 23:30, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I think the term "terrorist state" is unfortunate and was probably only ever used by Americans and American sockpuppets. It somehow implies you lot, Roozbeh and friends, all running around with balaklavas and AK47, the ring of a handgrenade between the teeth and sporting an evil grin... ;-) If we look at "accusing the Iranian government supporting terrorist organisations", or "relationsships disturbed dt accusation of government supporting terrorist activities on own soil" the list becomes a lot longer and suddenly includes long time faithful friends. The two most important countries in this last category are then - I think - France and Germany. Both were very upset about various political murders happening on their soil - Myconos, Bakhtiari etc, this despite being in general very tolerant and cooperative even with some of the more lunatic rethoric coming from time to time out of Tehran University friday sermons... (Sorry, these are the talk pages, I am allowed to be POV) Refdoc 10:09, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
David you're very ignorant to believe that whatever America says is worth mentioning here! "Lunatic rhetoric", very true!
Why is this page protected, who did it, and why didn't you mention it here? Are you afraid to let us know who you are? (although you might just be some benign sysop, i've no idea)-- naryathegreat 22:19, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)
An anonymous user keeps changing the "and" form double named provinces to "va". I believe the former is preferable for following reason: At least one of the provinces is fairly well known among English readers ('Sistan and Baluchistan' is unfortunately infamous for heroin smuggling) so a change of that particular province's name would make the list less useful. The other "double names" should then fall into line to have a consistent picture. Refdoc 12:43, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Translating pieces of the name of a foreign province into English does not seem logical. Other languages do not translate pieces of the name Newfoundland into their own language in their books. Or when talking about Karakorum you don't say Black-Korum! Translating some pieces in the names of the Iranian provinces such as "va" does not seem correct to me.
_____
Actually there are more problems with the name of those provinces than "va". Like In Chahar Mahaal "and" Bakhtiari, the long Persian aa is used in one instance and forgoten in other places. If we want to show the long aa in transcription we should write "Chahaar Mahaal "va/and" Bakhtyaari". Also the form Bakhtyari is much more common than Bakhtiari. And Kohgiluye (the Mount of the histircal ruler of the region name Giluyeh) is more correct than Kohkiluyeh. But I understand your arguments about the Wikipedia being interwoven and will be more carefull in changing stuff. I think I become a member soon. Thanks for the suggestion. Take care.
I think there are actually "official" transcription rules which sort of cover mcuh of our difficulties. trouble is they are not always well applied adn sometimes there are naming conventions which can not be altered anymore - e.g. German for Tehran is Teheran. Wrt the "aa" - it looks clumsy and should be rather generally out than in - and I do think the relevant rules are here on my side - but i am not too sure. The other common inconsistency is the use of "q" vs "gh" - we do here both and without much rhyme or reason. Refdoc 18:07, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
" Non-Muslim religious minorities include Bahá'ís and Zoroastrians, both being religions that originated in Iran, as well as Jews and Christians. Only the latter three are officially recognised minority religions." Three religions? Four are described. I guess it means christians are recognised? Seems odd to me. CJWilly
"Since the revolution of 1979 the Supreme Leader is the rahbar, or in absence of a single leader a council of religious leaders." - What does this sentence mean? It sounds like they are saying that the Supreme Leader is a person with the title "rahbar", and that title literally means "in the absense of a single leader a council of religious leaders". However, that last phrase "in the absense of a single leader a council of religious leaders" doesn't make sense? Jogback 15:55, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
It would be nifty to estimate the religious demographics ("Twelvers", Ishmaelis, etc). Jogback 15:55, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The article on Iran gives one number on the percentage of persians in the population, the article on Iranian demographics gives another. So, what is right? // Rudolf 1922 18:24, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Someone keeps vandalizing the Demographics of Iran page. They might be vandalizing this one too; I don't know. The 51% stat comes from the CIA World Factbook, and somebody keeps saying that this is incorrect. It's all written up in Talk:Demographics of Iran. Fishal 15:38, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
-- Mani1 11:06, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Why don't we simply consider the inhabitants of Iran as Iranians ? This type of discussions can generate frustrations and misunderstandings. I don't think we really need them. Iran is going through a very difficult period and we (Iranians) must forget about this "second world war type" of discussions. We are all Iranians and proud about it. Cheers, Babak.
i suppose everybody knows that iran is developing nuclear weapons (or at least those are the allegations) and have been busy with the project (iran maintains that the nuclear facility is for civillian purposes only) for some time now. and while america does not accept the project europe is more leniant. china has economic interest to be on irans side too. but im curious to know what other people think...?
I removed some stuff from the Demographics section. Demographics isn't about what is taught in schools, or roots of a language. Also, "disputed majority" is nonsensical; a big chunk of the paragraph already explains various other claims. Don't go overboard with the whole NPOV doodad. Kaveh 11:51, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Pls as I am not familiar with computers and internet I did not know how to enter a relevant page or create a new page for this question or put forward my request properly,that is why that I am using this page.My quest is: I am searching for a meaningful etymology of the name IRAN and also some palce names like OURA (or as written in Persian: alef, vav, re, he) and also Natanz and there are some other names.I invite people who are well versed on this subject to forward their comments or if they wish they can communicate with me through my e-mail "makalmu@yahoo.com" with many thanks,Ellie.