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Message automatically deposited by a robot - - Harideepan ( talk) 05:22, 21 February 2018 (UTC).
There are several paragraphs in here that are clearly too positive about his work.
Take for instance this paragraph:
In 2017-2018, under his leadership, a wide-scale constitutional reform was implemented in Georgia. The new constitution established a European type parliamentary system of government. It divided competencies among different branches of government in accordance with the principle of separation of powers, introduced the proportional system of parliamentary elections, strengthened the role of the Parliament and the political rights of the opposition, advanced the constitutional guarantees of human rights, independence of the judiciary and local self-government, and stipulated EU and NATO integration as the constitutional task of all constitutional bodies.[6]
There were also large criticisms on this constitution which are completely neglected to be mentioned, leaving the impression everyone was in favour for these changes. 2001:1C00:F13:3100:5023:36C3:C43:982E ( talk · contribs) 13:51, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
@ Silveresc: - please provide explanation to your editions beyond a reference to an irrelevant rule. The sources to information you are attempting to remove are provided and represent a variety of institutions with immense reputation. If you continue your attempts to remove sourced information, it might be considered as WP:POVPUSH, and based on your previous contributions I have a feeling that we might be dealing with conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia. DerFuchs ( talk) 20:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
This article was either written by the staffers of Kobakhidze, some partisan hack, or by Kobakhidze himself. This is a glowing review of a controversial politician with 0 ounce of objectivity. Zlad! ( talk) 09:16, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
@ Liverpoolfan12600: - removing well-sourced information without proper discussion is in violation of Wikipedia policies. Considering recent issues with sockpuppets and this article, I welcome you to discuss changes before making them - otherwise, it will be hard to consider your edits as legitimate, and will raise questions regarding both possible sockpuppetry and paid editing. Also, if you consider a publication of European Council on Foreign Relations as not realiable or biased, good luck proving this here first. -- DerFuchs ( talk) 17:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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Euronews https://www.euronews.com/2023/12/16/georgia-celebrates-gaining-eu-candidate-status Govt’s “well-defined” EU integration plan involves fulfilment of European Commission priorities - PM candidate https://agenda.ge/en/news/2024/337 Liverpoolfan12600 (talk) Liverpoolfan12600 ( talk) 21:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Dear User:DerFuchs and User:Silveresc, allow me to attempt some peace making here. I was drawn to this debate by reading the lead on this article, where the "his views have often been described as Anti Euro" jumped out at me as entirely inappropriate for a lead. Let me tell you why I think this.
Koba (for short), said he didn't wan't get drawn into providing a second front. Personally, I understand why, although that is irrelevant. However, what he said is a fact. What other people said in reaction though, is not something that should be in the lead. To me, the "Anti Euro" tag sounds like a smear. It certainly is just political posturing. So fine, put it down below as "criticisms" etc. Not in the lead.
By choosing to put commentary in the lead, we are going beyond our editorial capacity. Just tell the story. Who is Koba? What has he done? What has he said? Leave the biased editorialising out.
Myself, I don't like the tone of people accusing other's of being or using sock puppets, etc. I really don't like threats, and hiding behind Wiki protocols. I'm glad we're having this discussion, in a reasonably civil way. Meanwhile, I'm going to modify the statement for the reasons I've stated above. I invite you all to fill out the article with more of Koba's positions, and people's reactions to them. But the lead is a place for a summary of who he is as a person, not political posturing. Thanks all Billyshiverstick ( talk) 03:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
This article appeared in a report of a Georgian CSO Sockpuppets and Wikipedia - an unknown battlefront. DerFuchs ( talk) 07:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
The templates in the lead will be removed, since they were pasted without any clarification on the discussion page, and the user that placed them had more than enough time to explain reasoning/clarification.-- DerFuchs ( talk) 10:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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Irakli Kobahkhidze sold his country to Russia to feed his wallet and neverending appetite for more. Adittionaly Irakli is originally from Russia as it's stated on his birthcertificate and remains in service of russian oligarchs, politicians and Daddy Putin himself. 131.179.59.42 ( talk) 20:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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The sentence in the third paragraph of the lead about Kobakhidze allegedly making "anti-European" and "anti-American" statements by accusing them of trying to open "second front" against Russia in Georgia should be removed. Here is why:
The phrasing of the sentence is extremly biased. Its implication is that Kobakhidze is inventing something up out of nowhere by saying that they are trying to open "second front" in Georgia. As if he is promoting some wild conspiracy theory invented out of nowhere.
This is false. First of all, Kobakhidze never said that Europe or America directly are trying to open second front in Georgia. The term used by him is "Global War Party", saying that "Global War Party" is trying to open second front in Georgia and drag Georgia into the war. The term is specifically used to avoid any kind of concrete accusation by ruling party officials. What is meant is the general statement, that there are forces on global stage trying to push Georgia into the war and there is a threat (no specific accusations against any country is voiced).
And there are indeed such forces. Oleksiy Danilov, head of Ukrainian National Security Council, directly called Georgia to open second front, saying it would greatly benefit Ukraine, and adding that Georgia "is not doing right thing" by not opening the second front. https://www.interpressnews.ge/en/article/119078-secretary-of-the-national-security-and-defense-council-of-ukraine-if-transnistria-and-georgia-engage-in-returning-their-territories-it-will-definitely-help-us/ This is a very serious statement, which would have caused diplomatic scandal in many situations. Calling a small country like Georgia to start themselves start a war against such a huge country as Russia (not just a defensive war, but offensive), is something very out of mind. Also, take note that Georgian Former Prime Minister (who also voiced concerns about second front and is member of same party) said this - " idea of second front comes from Ukraine’s high ranking officials" https://agenda.ge/en/news/2023/2810#gsc.tab=0
So this is indeed not some crazy invention of Kobakhidze, as the article makes it seems like. Moreover, here is the article discussing second front allegations https://unherd.com/thepost/is-ukraine-trying-to-open-a-second-front-against-russia/
The conclusion is that while the accusations of the Georgian authorities should be taken with the grain of salt, they are not that far-fetched - "Ukraine has a clear and understandable interest in broadening the war beyond its own borders, stretching Russian forces and ensuring even greater involvement from Western partners". The article states - "Yet whatever the veracity of the Prime Minister’s claims, it is concerning that they carry a hint of credibility in the context of previous apparent attempts by Ukraine to expand the war beyond its own borders". The examples of Ukrainian claim on alleged Russian missle landing in Romania (which Romania denied) is also discussed in the context of Ukrainian efforts to involve other countries in the war. But Georgia is really the best candidate for that, and as the desires to have second front have been stated openly by Ukrainian officials, behind the curtails, there indeed might be much bigger pressure on Georgia to open second front. 189.169.107.249 ( talk) 02:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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Message automatically deposited by a robot - - Harideepan ( talk) 05:22, 21 February 2018 (UTC).
There are several paragraphs in here that are clearly too positive about his work.
Take for instance this paragraph:
In 2017-2018, under his leadership, a wide-scale constitutional reform was implemented in Georgia. The new constitution established a European type parliamentary system of government. It divided competencies among different branches of government in accordance with the principle of separation of powers, introduced the proportional system of parliamentary elections, strengthened the role of the Parliament and the political rights of the opposition, advanced the constitutional guarantees of human rights, independence of the judiciary and local self-government, and stipulated EU and NATO integration as the constitutional task of all constitutional bodies.[6]
There were also large criticisms on this constitution which are completely neglected to be mentioned, leaving the impression everyone was in favour for these changes. 2001:1C00:F13:3100:5023:36C3:C43:982E ( talk · contribs) 13:51, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
@ Silveresc: - please provide explanation to your editions beyond a reference to an irrelevant rule. The sources to information you are attempting to remove are provided and represent a variety of institutions with immense reputation. If you continue your attempts to remove sourced information, it might be considered as WP:POVPUSH, and based on your previous contributions I have a feeling that we might be dealing with conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia. DerFuchs ( talk) 20:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
This article was either written by the staffers of Kobakhidze, some partisan hack, or by Kobakhidze himself. This is a glowing review of a controversial politician with 0 ounce of objectivity. Zlad! ( talk) 09:16, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
@ Liverpoolfan12600: - removing well-sourced information without proper discussion is in violation of Wikipedia policies. Considering recent issues with sockpuppets and this article, I welcome you to discuss changes before making them - otherwise, it will be hard to consider your edits as legitimate, and will raise questions regarding both possible sockpuppetry and paid editing. Also, if you consider a publication of European Council on Foreign Relations as not realiable or biased, good luck proving this here first. -- DerFuchs ( talk) 17:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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Euronews https://www.euronews.com/2023/12/16/georgia-celebrates-gaining-eu-candidate-status Govt’s “well-defined” EU integration plan involves fulfilment of European Commission priorities - PM candidate https://agenda.ge/en/news/2024/337 Liverpoolfan12600 (talk) Liverpoolfan12600 ( talk) 21:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Dear User:DerFuchs and User:Silveresc, allow me to attempt some peace making here. I was drawn to this debate by reading the lead on this article, where the "his views have often been described as Anti Euro" jumped out at me as entirely inappropriate for a lead. Let me tell you why I think this.
Koba (for short), said he didn't wan't get drawn into providing a second front. Personally, I understand why, although that is irrelevant. However, what he said is a fact. What other people said in reaction though, is not something that should be in the lead. To me, the "Anti Euro" tag sounds like a smear. It certainly is just political posturing. So fine, put it down below as "criticisms" etc. Not in the lead.
By choosing to put commentary in the lead, we are going beyond our editorial capacity. Just tell the story. Who is Koba? What has he done? What has he said? Leave the biased editorialising out.
Myself, I don't like the tone of people accusing other's of being or using sock puppets, etc. I really don't like threats, and hiding behind Wiki protocols. I'm glad we're having this discussion, in a reasonably civil way. Meanwhile, I'm going to modify the statement for the reasons I've stated above. I invite you all to fill out the article with more of Koba's positions, and people's reactions to them. But the lead is a place for a summary of who he is as a person, not political posturing. Thanks all Billyshiverstick ( talk) 03:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
This article appeared in a report of a Georgian CSO Sockpuppets and Wikipedia - an unknown battlefront. DerFuchs ( talk) 07:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
The templates in the lead will be removed, since they were pasted without any clarification on the discussion page, and the user that placed them had more than enough time to explain reasoning/clarification.-- DerFuchs ( talk) 10:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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Irakli Kobahkhidze sold his country to Russia to feed his wallet and neverending appetite for more. Adittionaly Irakli is originally from Russia as it's stated on his birthcertificate and remains in service of russian oligarchs, politicians and Daddy Putin himself. 131.179.59.42 ( talk) 20:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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The sentence in the third paragraph of the lead about Kobakhidze allegedly making "anti-European" and "anti-American" statements by accusing them of trying to open "second front" against Russia in Georgia should be removed. Here is why:
The phrasing of the sentence is extremly biased. Its implication is that Kobakhidze is inventing something up out of nowhere by saying that they are trying to open "second front" in Georgia. As if he is promoting some wild conspiracy theory invented out of nowhere.
This is false. First of all, Kobakhidze never said that Europe or America directly are trying to open second front in Georgia. The term used by him is "Global War Party", saying that "Global War Party" is trying to open second front in Georgia and drag Georgia into the war. The term is specifically used to avoid any kind of concrete accusation by ruling party officials. What is meant is the general statement, that there are forces on global stage trying to push Georgia into the war and there is a threat (no specific accusations against any country is voiced).
And there are indeed such forces. Oleksiy Danilov, head of Ukrainian National Security Council, directly called Georgia to open second front, saying it would greatly benefit Ukraine, and adding that Georgia "is not doing right thing" by not opening the second front. https://www.interpressnews.ge/en/article/119078-secretary-of-the-national-security-and-defense-council-of-ukraine-if-transnistria-and-georgia-engage-in-returning-their-territories-it-will-definitely-help-us/ This is a very serious statement, which would have caused diplomatic scandal in many situations. Calling a small country like Georgia to start themselves start a war against such a huge country as Russia (not just a defensive war, but offensive), is something very out of mind. Also, take note that Georgian Former Prime Minister (who also voiced concerns about second front and is member of same party) said this - " idea of second front comes from Ukraine’s high ranking officials" https://agenda.ge/en/news/2023/2810#gsc.tab=0
So this is indeed not some crazy invention of Kobakhidze, as the article makes it seems like. Moreover, here is the article discussing second front allegations https://unherd.com/thepost/is-ukraine-trying-to-open-a-second-front-against-russia/
The conclusion is that while the accusations of the Georgian authorities should be taken with the grain of salt, they are not that far-fetched - "Ukraine has a clear and understandable interest in broadening the war beyond its own borders, stretching Russian forces and ensuring even greater involvement from Western partners". The article states - "Yet whatever the veracity of the Prime Minister’s claims, it is concerning that they carry a hint of credibility in the context of previous apparent attempts by Ukraine to expand the war beyond its own borders". The examples of Ukrainian claim on alleged Russian missle landing in Romania (which Romania denied) is also discussed in the context of Ukrainian efforts to involve other countries in the war. But Georgia is really the best candidate for that, and as the desires to have second front have been stated openly by Ukrainian officials, behind the curtails, there indeed might be much bigger pressure on Georgia to open second front. 189.169.107.249 ( talk) 02:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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