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Iqbal Surve is a significant figure in SA, as head of a major media group and for his political history, and it is easy to find many references in reliable sources for this. He is also controversial. Although this page was previously deleted (possibly as it was autobiographical), it is appropriate for Wikipedia to have a NPOV page on this subject. Zaian ( talk) 10:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
I wholesale-reverted a large edit by ElProfesori. Warning signs: editor has not edited before but knows all about wiki markup (so a possible WP:SOCK or meatpuppet), unexplained removal of cited reference which casts doubts on Surve's relationship with Mandela, unexplained replacement of information about the PIC investment in Sekunjalo which reflected negatively on Surve's company, and addition of "Dr Surve" throughout which is a common trait of Surve's employees. Parts of the edit are probably salvageable, but I'd rather revert it and leave it to the editor to "try better" rather than spend my time sorting the facts from the hagiography. Zaian ( talk) 06:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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Article is being heavily edited with a particular POV, for example this addition, which added "and his dedication to fostering business ideas that serve the bottom line of the investor and creating opportunities for the improvement of working-class lives". I don't have time to go through all of the recent edits, but it's quite clearly become unbalanced, with all criticism of Survé having been watered down or removed. Greenman ( talk) 13:25, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Looking at users @ Gevaarlik and @ Joker1Joker they are heavily editing this article in a negative bias. Within their short life spans (both created in January 2024, the latter only a week ago), they have made a collective 101 edits all with negative contributions only towards articles connected to the Sekunjalo group. Whilst removing positive information with verifiable sources. As per the Wikipedia COI guidelines, they appear to be "single-purpose accounts" (existing for the sole or primary purpose of promotion or denigration of a person, company, product, service, website, organization, etc.,). JayFacts ( talk) 09:17, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
This article quotes many sources from News24, Daily Maverick, and Mail and Guardian, just to mention a few, which are known competitors and critics of Survé and the Sekunjalo Group. Many of these pieces referenced are also opinion pieces written by individuals who are also known critics of Survé's. Can these sources be used as reliable references when there is known conflict between the groups? JayFacts ( talk) 10:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Recent single-purpose accounts were pushing pro- and anti- Survé POVs here and on related pages. This went to WP:BLPN resulting in the pages being put under extended protection meaning that only extended confirmed users can now edit them. One of the users involved posted concerns to WP:ANI ( Single Purpose Accounts Being Used To Denigrate An Organization), but that didn't raise any interest, with responses "Erm ... you do realize that you are a single purpose account, with far fewer edits than they have, and exclusively editing on the Iqbal Survé and the Sekunjalo Investments articles, yes?" and "Not only that, but from the edits I've looked at, the OP appears to adding peacockery to the article [1], whilst removing perfectly well sourced edits that just happen to contain negative material [2]. They are right in that the other editor shouldn't be using POV terms such as "scandal-ridden", but on the other hand it is not as if the multiple reliable sources cited aren't actually using the word "scandal" about the various issues, so it's only a semantic issue." Zaian ( talk) 10:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi There. I work for one of the companies within Iqbal Survé's group. I would like to contribute some information for this article. Can I make requested changes or additions here for review? Terryspeaks ( talk) 07:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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The intro describes Survé as a "self-professed" philanthropist. Can the wording "self-professed" be removed as it implies a lack of recognition or legitimacy regarding his philanthropic efforts? Describing him simply as a philanthropist is more neutral and avoids the subjective connotation. Numerous sources and his extensive philanthropic activities support this description without the need for qualifiers that may appear biased.
Supporting Links: https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/hundreds-fed-at-cape-mental-healths-flagship-event-f82d179f-6153-41ee-bdd6-2978ba30c14b
https://www.iol.co.za/thepost/community-news/surve-philanthropies-hosts-farewell-lunch-for-hajj-pilgrims-407ea769-4eb2-4406-a962-5b0fab48e47e Terryspeaks ( talk) 09:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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The intro describes Survé as a "self-professed" philanthropist. Can the wording "self-professed" be removed as it implies a lack of recognition or legitimacy regarding his philanthropic efforts? Describing him simply as a philanthropist is more neutral and avoids the subjective connotation. Numerous sources and his extensive philanthropic activities support this description without the need for qualifiers that may appear biased.
Supporting Links: https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/hundreds-fed-at-cape-mental-healths-flagship-event-f82d179f-6153-41ee-bdd6-2978ba30c14b
https://www.iol.co.za/thepost/community-news/surve-philanthropies-hosts-farewell-lunch-for-hajj-pilgrims-407ea769-4eb2-4406-a962-5b0fab48e47e Terryspeaks ( talk) 08:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Iqbal Surve is a significant figure in SA, as head of a major media group and for his political history, and it is easy to find many references in reliable sources for this. He is also controversial. Although this page was previously deleted (possibly as it was autobiographical), it is appropriate for Wikipedia to have a NPOV page on this subject. Zaian ( talk) 10:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
I wholesale-reverted a large edit by ElProfesori. Warning signs: editor has not edited before but knows all about wiki markup (so a possible WP:SOCK or meatpuppet), unexplained removal of cited reference which casts doubts on Surve's relationship with Mandela, unexplained replacement of information about the PIC investment in Sekunjalo which reflected negatively on Surve's company, and addition of "Dr Surve" throughout which is a common trait of Surve's employees. Parts of the edit are probably salvageable, but I'd rather revert it and leave it to the editor to "try better" rather than spend my time sorting the facts from the hagiography. Zaian ( talk) 06:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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Article is being heavily edited with a particular POV, for example this addition, which added "and his dedication to fostering business ideas that serve the bottom line of the investor and creating opportunities for the improvement of working-class lives". I don't have time to go through all of the recent edits, but it's quite clearly become unbalanced, with all criticism of Survé having been watered down or removed. Greenman ( talk) 13:25, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Looking at users @ Gevaarlik and @ Joker1Joker they are heavily editing this article in a negative bias. Within their short life spans (both created in January 2024, the latter only a week ago), they have made a collective 101 edits all with negative contributions only towards articles connected to the Sekunjalo group. Whilst removing positive information with verifiable sources. As per the Wikipedia COI guidelines, they appear to be "single-purpose accounts" (existing for the sole or primary purpose of promotion or denigration of a person, company, product, service, website, organization, etc.,). JayFacts ( talk) 09:17, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
This article quotes many sources from News24, Daily Maverick, and Mail and Guardian, just to mention a few, which are known competitors and critics of Survé and the Sekunjalo Group. Many of these pieces referenced are also opinion pieces written by individuals who are also known critics of Survé's. Can these sources be used as reliable references when there is known conflict between the groups? JayFacts ( talk) 10:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Recent single-purpose accounts were pushing pro- and anti- Survé POVs here and on related pages. This went to WP:BLPN resulting in the pages being put under extended protection meaning that only extended confirmed users can now edit them. One of the users involved posted concerns to WP:ANI ( Single Purpose Accounts Being Used To Denigrate An Organization), but that didn't raise any interest, with responses "Erm ... you do realize that you are a single purpose account, with far fewer edits than they have, and exclusively editing on the Iqbal Survé and the Sekunjalo Investments articles, yes?" and "Not only that, but from the edits I've looked at, the OP appears to adding peacockery to the article [1], whilst removing perfectly well sourced edits that just happen to contain negative material [2]. They are right in that the other editor shouldn't be using POV terms such as "scandal-ridden", but on the other hand it is not as if the multiple reliable sources cited aren't actually using the word "scandal" about the various issues, so it's only a semantic issue." Zaian ( talk) 10:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi There. I work for one of the companies within Iqbal Survé's group. I would like to contribute some information for this article. Can I make requested changes or additions here for review? Terryspeaks ( talk) 07:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
![]() | This user has publicly declared that they have a conflict of interest regarding these Wikipedia articles: |
The intro describes Survé as a "self-professed" philanthropist. Can the wording "self-professed" be removed as it implies a lack of recognition or legitimacy regarding his philanthropic efforts? Describing him simply as a philanthropist is more neutral and avoids the subjective connotation. Numerous sources and his extensive philanthropic activities support this description without the need for qualifiers that may appear biased.
Supporting Links: https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/hundreds-fed-at-cape-mental-healths-flagship-event-f82d179f-6153-41ee-bdd6-2978ba30c14b
https://www.iol.co.za/thepost/community-news/surve-philanthropies-hosts-farewell-lunch-for-hajj-pilgrims-407ea769-4eb2-4406-a962-5b0fab48e47e Terryspeaks ( talk) 09:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Change Wording in Intro
The intro describes Survé as a "self-professed" philanthropist. Can the wording "self-professed" be removed as it implies a lack of recognition or legitimacy regarding his philanthropic efforts? Describing him simply as a philanthropist is more neutral and avoids the subjective connotation. Numerous sources and his extensive philanthropic activities support this description without the need for qualifiers that may appear biased.
Supporting Links: https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/hundreds-fed-at-cape-mental-healths-flagship-event-f82d179f-6153-41ee-bdd6-2978ba30c14b
https://www.iol.co.za/thepost/community-news/surve-philanthropies-hosts-farewell-lunch-for-hajj-pilgrims-407ea769-4eb2-4406-a962-5b0fab48e47e Terryspeaks ( talk) 08:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)