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In the section about the KOF '95 ending, and what point does it mention that Leona is Yagami's Fiancee?
Besides, Leona is known to have a liking for Clark (through some official SNK art gallery).
Also: Isn't the whole "Imagay" anagram a bit silly to add in? As far as I know, it's just something that english-speaking fans use as sort of a joke. (Because considering the original Japanese the games were in, the reversal would be more like "Migaya")
Thank you for your questions. You are right, Leona isn't Iori's fiancee. I'll look into that right now, thanks.
No, Leona loves Chang. Stated in the KOF 98 PSX image galleries and other few references.
Ill recheck the imagay thing and write again.
I checked and couldn't find any reference whatsoever to the things that you mention. Can you please point them out for me so I can check and change if necessary? I didn't find any paragraph mentioning that Leona is Iori's lover, just the HK comics where Iori is about to fight her, is that what you mean? and I didn't find anything about the imagay thing.
Yes, the collage of pictures are nice, but don't you think they're excessive..? There's not really a reason for them to be here. Could someone provide proper concensus for inserting all these picures into the article..?- MegamanZero 3:51 27,November 2005 (UTC)
Sorry but I have to disagree strongly. All the images are between the context of the next one, and they wouldn't have the same impact if one of them was missing. Believe me, I selected them VERY carefully, and they HAVE a reason to be there. All of them. Each one shows Iori under different points of view and offers a different feeling that complements the others.-—The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheOgry ( talk • contribs) .
I was just wondering, if Iori's name should be added in the trivia part, since "iori" means hermitage (seeing that Iori is always a loner and more or less isolated from society by choice and because of his curse). I'm asking here, instead of just adding it in the article, since I'm not much of a KOF player... I've played it less than 10 times, and I don't know all that much about the character. -- Hecko 02:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
And he does it ignoring the reasons and more importantly, erasing the work of many people, including myself, Klantis, 305Prodigy, among many others that have contributed to this page.
He has also vandalized my name in several articles by changing it's spelling. How can I report this to the moderators? can anybody tell me please?
Now I'm going to reproduce a question that I made in his talk page. MegamanZero, this is going to be fun. I'd like you to tell me, please, if you know where the image "tears" comes from, specifically from what source, or where it is seen. Lantis don't tell him. MegamanZero you said: "This is where it gets surreal. That image simply depicts Iori crying or bleeding for some apparent reason; I can only speculate to the reason of its upload. Furthurmore, There's no mention of the pic's sembelence anywhere in the article."
You use big words in vain. You lack the knowledge required to decide in this matter if you don't answer correctly. Take a look at the part of the "story" section where it is located. Do you seriously ignore where the pic comes from? BTW, a clue: all the pictures illustrate parts of the story, or parts of different moments of Iori's personality. TheOrgy 16:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Do you know the answer? where does the image "Tears.jpg" come from? where did I take it from? TheOrgy 16:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Since TheOrgy believes there is a consensus supporting the inserting of fancruft-related images and mass amounts of quotes(or any deviation on that theme), I figure the best way to resolve this is with a vote. Voting will be allowed for one week from the time this is opened (see signature date on this posting). A simple majority (50%) will be used to determine the outcome. The question being voted upon is--
Should this The Orgy's version or the old version be more suited for the article..?
Please register your vote by typing in *'''Orgy version''' - optional reason -~~~~
or *'''Old version''' - optional reason -~~~~
below. Please limit discussion to the Discussion subsection of this voting area. Thank you for participating.
No, no, no, no, no. m:Polls are evil. Let's discuss the issue and come to a consensus. — Phil Welch Katefan's ridiculous poll 18:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Vote for TheOrgy's version - vote by Raul
MegamanZero, don't comment anything here! don't you understand? this is for voting, not for your comments! And wasn't you the one that said: "Please register your vote by typing in *Orgy version - optional reason or *Old version - optional reason below. Please limit discussion to the Discussion subsection of this voting area. Thank you for participating." ??? what did you write "optional" for, then, huh? TheOrgy 21:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I would like to comment that his supposed "old" version is his real old version mixed with my pics. IF you want your real "old" version back MegamanZero I'll be glad to remove all the pics and the story that Klantis wrote as well. This is your real old version, and I'm going to change it now to the alternatives:
I would like to comment that his supposed "old" version is his real old version mixed with my pics. IF you want your real "old" version back MegamanZero I'll be glad to remove all the pics and the story that Klantis wrote as well. This is your real old version, and I'm going to change it now to the alternatives:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Iori_Yagami&oldid=28841849
Umm, MegamanZero, you're attacking me personally again. I asked you a vital question of if you knew where the "Tears" picture came from, and you couldn't answer. That means that you don't know enough about the story of the character, that disqualifies you to make a better and more informative article.
I erased ONE picture, the OrochiIori one, and everybody seemed to agree with it's departure since nobody reverted the picture back to the article EXCEPT YOU. There was a silent consensus, without having to reach this instances. TheOrgy 18:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
This is the last page before I EVER came to edit anything in the article http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Iori_Yagami&oldid=29158917
this should be the "old version" that should be displayed in the voting. TheOrgy 19:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
As someone with absolutely zero involvement in this (prior to this posting anyways), I can say that TheOrgy's version either has way too many images, or the images are all way too large. The "old version" also stretches my tolerance for large images in articles, but it's not nearly so bad. While polling may be evil, it's also sometimes a kick in the pants to reach a compromise. (Noting I haven't voted yet, but would vote for the old version if a compromise isn't reached somewhat quickly). — Locke Cole 20:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
MegamanZero, then edit your post to show MY real version, and not the one that you want to show about me. I DON'T WANT THE FLOOD OF QUOTES, BUT YOU INCLUDED THAT IN MY "VERSION" OF THE ARTICLE DIDN'T YOU? TheOrgy 20:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
While I think MegaManZero's version is better (not great either though). I'm not voting, and would like to point out that this vote can only be used as a straw vote to reach consensus, and cannot be binding. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a democracy. Jacoplane 21:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
We don't need gigantic images cluttering the page. For the love of God, learn to use [[image:foo.jpg|thumb]]. — Phil Welch Katefan's ridiculous poll 18:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
OK, m:Voting is evil, and it appears to be TheOrgy against everyone else AND against whatever Wikipedia standards we have. I've fixed the article, keeping most of the images (I removed one--if someone wants to reinsert it somewhere else that's fine) and removing the quotes section. I did add the WQ template so the quotes can be re-added where they belong. TheOrgy, rough consensus seems clearly against you, so without discussing and establishing a consensus beforehand you would be well-advised not to revert. — Phil Welch Katefan's ridiculous poll 18:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
First, only a hour has passed, and Wookipedian is MegamanZero's friend. There's still one week ahead of voting, don't jump into conclussions so quickly. TheOrgy 18:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Rough concensus... rough concensus from MGZ's friends right? I'd rather wait for different contributions to broad the range of concensus TheOrgy 18:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
mgz keep your comments out of the voting. TheOrgy 21:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
As a person who knows nothing about Iori Yagami, I am an ideal person to comment on this page. The page itself is too large. I can get a general jist from the first paragraph that this Mr. Yagami is a videogame character from Kingo of Fighters. However, the rest of the article seems more of a story than a page where you can search for information.
It is bewildering large with a large number of pictures that haven't been shrunk to thumbnail size. The numbers in itself make this page unfriendly to dial-up users, of which I know there are many, having up until recently been one of them. Many of the pictures do not convey any information that the first one does not.
I don't like either version of the article and if I had the time and the knowledge (of which I have neither), I would re-organise the entire thing to fit the following template:
I would also have a better choice of pictures. There should be only one of each game incarnation of Iori, one from each game in which he appeared and they should be thumbnails to make the page easier to load. In fact, this page is so horribly made I'm slapping a cleanup tag on it right now. Wolf ODonnell 19:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Of course I'm not freaking aware of how many KOF games there are (didn't you read my above post?). My one of each game incarnation is frankly a maximum limit suggestion not a minimum. And frankly, I resent you putting your comment within my comment. That just makes things as confusing as the current article itself. Wolf ODonnell 19:23, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
A writer needs heart to write good info. Objectiveness is not always the best way to write an article. Not everything can be gray. I want this article to have many colours, not just gray. That's what I'm trying to do. If this was wrong, then for example, every article about legends of the music or artists should be changed to eliminate every phrase that says that they were the best in something, because nobody holds the right to establish what's good and what isn't, because everybody has a different point of view. Graphic bias is even less harmful. It informs more, either to the opposite or the benefit of the character, but always inside the context of true and existant information.
About the pic excess: just look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Naruto. Now THAT really is excess. TheOrgy 19:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Just a note so you understand finally: I don't want the quotes like that. They should be there, but without the titles for each year. Don't mention the quotes thing as if it was MY version because it ISNT, it is the page that everybody had agreed seemingly upon until MegamanZero started changing it again, and even himself had agreed to not remove the images, but to only remove the quotes. This http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Iori_Yagami&oldid=29488822 is the version of the page that I wanted. TheOrgy 19:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
The difference with the Naruto Character list is that one has one for each character. This article has several for each character. And if you're not writing objectively, then I might need to add some other tags, like the neutrality dispute tag. Wolf ODonnell 20:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I didn't say that I wasn't writing objectively. I said that I wasn't adding pictures objectively. How could I? to offer a better information to the readers, and to make the profile better and more enjoyable, you have to be biased towards the greatest aspects of the personality of the character, in this case this videogame character. In simple words, the better you make him look, the better the article about him looks, and in this case, the better that the readers are informed of his personality in an entertaining manner, rather than an uninteresting and careless manner. TheOrgy 20:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes but that has nothing to due with objectivity, which I might point out is what your whole previous statement emphasized. The point is that the pictures make the article look worse, not better. They overcrowd it, add a lot of unnecessary strain onto the servers, and dont format well. A couple of those images in your version are big enough that on a low resolution monitor, they will take up almost the whole screen. As a matter of fact two of them do just that. A prime example of a well executed article about a video game character, with a consertative well thought out use of images is here Helena (DOA. The other DOA character articles are all reasonably well done as well, but this is probably the best example. It follows what you clain you are trying to do, but shows restraint, something that this article painfully needs.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk| @ 20:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
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In the section about the KOF '95 ending, and what point does it mention that Leona is Yagami's Fiancee?
Besides, Leona is known to have a liking for Clark (through some official SNK art gallery).
Also: Isn't the whole "Imagay" anagram a bit silly to add in? As far as I know, it's just something that english-speaking fans use as sort of a joke. (Because considering the original Japanese the games were in, the reversal would be more like "Migaya")
Thank you for your questions. You are right, Leona isn't Iori's fiancee. I'll look into that right now, thanks.
No, Leona loves Chang. Stated in the KOF 98 PSX image galleries and other few references.
Ill recheck the imagay thing and write again.
I checked and couldn't find any reference whatsoever to the things that you mention. Can you please point them out for me so I can check and change if necessary? I didn't find any paragraph mentioning that Leona is Iori's lover, just the HK comics where Iori is about to fight her, is that what you mean? and I didn't find anything about the imagay thing.
Yes, the collage of pictures are nice, but don't you think they're excessive..? There's not really a reason for them to be here. Could someone provide proper concensus for inserting all these picures into the article..?- MegamanZero 3:51 27,November 2005 (UTC)
Sorry but I have to disagree strongly. All the images are between the context of the next one, and they wouldn't have the same impact if one of them was missing. Believe me, I selected them VERY carefully, and they HAVE a reason to be there. All of them. Each one shows Iori under different points of view and offers a different feeling that complements the others.-—The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheOgry ( talk • contribs) .
I was just wondering, if Iori's name should be added in the trivia part, since "iori" means hermitage (seeing that Iori is always a loner and more or less isolated from society by choice and because of his curse). I'm asking here, instead of just adding it in the article, since I'm not much of a KOF player... I've played it less than 10 times, and I don't know all that much about the character. -- Hecko 02:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
And he does it ignoring the reasons and more importantly, erasing the work of many people, including myself, Klantis, 305Prodigy, among many others that have contributed to this page.
He has also vandalized my name in several articles by changing it's spelling. How can I report this to the moderators? can anybody tell me please?
Now I'm going to reproduce a question that I made in his talk page. MegamanZero, this is going to be fun. I'd like you to tell me, please, if you know where the image "tears" comes from, specifically from what source, or where it is seen. Lantis don't tell him. MegamanZero you said: "This is where it gets surreal. That image simply depicts Iori crying or bleeding for some apparent reason; I can only speculate to the reason of its upload. Furthurmore, There's no mention of the pic's sembelence anywhere in the article."
You use big words in vain. You lack the knowledge required to decide in this matter if you don't answer correctly. Take a look at the part of the "story" section where it is located. Do you seriously ignore where the pic comes from? BTW, a clue: all the pictures illustrate parts of the story, or parts of different moments of Iori's personality. TheOrgy 16:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Do you know the answer? where does the image "Tears.jpg" come from? where did I take it from? TheOrgy 16:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Since TheOrgy believes there is a consensus supporting the inserting of fancruft-related images and mass amounts of quotes(or any deviation on that theme), I figure the best way to resolve this is with a vote. Voting will be allowed for one week from the time this is opened (see signature date on this posting). A simple majority (50%) will be used to determine the outcome. The question being voted upon is--
Should this The Orgy's version or the old version be more suited for the article..?
Please register your vote by typing in *'''Orgy version''' - optional reason -~~~~
or *'''Old version''' - optional reason -~~~~
below. Please limit discussion to the Discussion subsection of this voting area. Thank you for participating.
No, no, no, no, no. m:Polls are evil. Let's discuss the issue and come to a consensus. — Phil Welch Katefan's ridiculous poll 18:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Vote for TheOrgy's version - vote by Raul
MegamanZero, don't comment anything here! don't you understand? this is for voting, not for your comments! And wasn't you the one that said: "Please register your vote by typing in *Orgy version - optional reason or *Old version - optional reason below. Please limit discussion to the Discussion subsection of this voting area. Thank you for participating." ??? what did you write "optional" for, then, huh? TheOrgy 21:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I would like to comment that his supposed "old" version is his real old version mixed with my pics. IF you want your real "old" version back MegamanZero I'll be glad to remove all the pics and the story that Klantis wrote as well. This is your real old version, and I'm going to change it now to the alternatives:
I would like to comment that his supposed "old" version is his real old version mixed with my pics. IF you want your real "old" version back MegamanZero I'll be glad to remove all the pics and the story that Klantis wrote as well. This is your real old version, and I'm going to change it now to the alternatives:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Iori_Yagami&oldid=28841849
Umm, MegamanZero, you're attacking me personally again. I asked you a vital question of if you knew where the "Tears" picture came from, and you couldn't answer. That means that you don't know enough about the story of the character, that disqualifies you to make a better and more informative article.
I erased ONE picture, the OrochiIori one, and everybody seemed to agree with it's departure since nobody reverted the picture back to the article EXCEPT YOU. There was a silent consensus, without having to reach this instances. TheOrgy 18:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
This is the last page before I EVER came to edit anything in the article http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Iori_Yagami&oldid=29158917
this should be the "old version" that should be displayed in the voting. TheOrgy 19:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
As someone with absolutely zero involvement in this (prior to this posting anyways), I can say that TheOrgy's version either has way too many images, or the images are all way too large. The "old version" also stretches my tolerance for large images in articles, but it's not nearly so bad. While polling may be evil, it's also sometimes a kick in the pants to reach a compromise. (Noting I haven't voted yet, but would vote for the old version if a compromise isn't reached somewhat quickly). — Locke Cole 20:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
MegamanZero, then edit your post to show MY real version, and not the one that you want to show about me. I DON'T WANT THE FLOOD OF QUOTES, BUT YOU INCLUDED THAT IN MY "VERSION" OF THE ARTICLE DIDN'T YOU? TheOrgy 20:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
While I think MegaManZero's version is better (not great either though). I'm not voting, and would like to point out that this vote can only be used as a straw vote to reach consensus, and cannot be binding. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a democracy. Jacoplane 21:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
We don't need gigantic images cluttering the page. For the love of God, learn to use [[image:foo.jpg|thumb]]. — Phil Welch Katefan's ridiculous poll 18:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
OK, m:Voting is evil, and it appears to be TheOrgy against everyone else AND against whatever Wikipedia standards we have. I've fixed the article, keeping most of the images (I removed one--if someone wants to reinsert it somewhere else that's fine) and removing the quotes section. I did add the WQ template so the quotes can be re-added where they belong. TheOrgy, rough consensus seems clearly against you, so without discussing and establishing a consensus beforehand you would be well-advised not to revert. — Phil Welch Katefan's ridiculous poll 18:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
First, only a hour has passed, and Wookipedian is MegamanZero's friend. There's still one week ahead of voting, don't jump into conclussions so quickly. TheOrgy 18:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Rough concensus... rough concensus from MGZ's friends right? I'd rather wait for different contributions to broad the range of concensus TheOrgy 18:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
mgz keep your comments out of the voting. TheOrgy 21:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
As a person who knows nothing about Iori Yagami, I am an ideal person to comment on this page. The page itself is too large. I can get a general jist from the first paragraph that this Mr. Yagami is a videogame character from Kingo of Fighters. However, the rest of the article seems more of a story than a page where you can search for information.
It is bewildering large with a large number of pictures that haven't been shrunk to thumbnail size. The numbers in itself make this page unfriendly to dial-up users, of which I know there are many, having up until recently been one of them. Many of the pictures do not convey any information that the first one does not.
I don't like either version of the article and if I had the time and the knowledge (of which I have neither), I would re-organise the entire thing to fit the following template:
I would also have a better choice of pictures. There should be only one of each game incarnation of Iori, one from each game in which he appeared and they should be thumbnails to make the page easier to load. In fact, this page is so horribly made I'm slapping a cleanup tag on it right now. Wolf ODonnell 19:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Of course I'm not freaking aware of how many KOF games there are (didn't you read my above post?). My one of each game incarnation is frankly a maximum limit suggestion not a minimum. And frankly, I resent you putting your comment within my comment. That just makes things as confusing as the current article itself. Wolf ODonnell 19:23, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
A writer needs heart to write good info. Objectiveness is not always the best way to write an article. Not everything can be gray. I want this article to have many colours, not just gray. That's what I'm trying to do. If this was wrong, then for example, every article about legends of the music or artists should be changed to eliminate every phrase that says that they were the best in something, because nobody holds the right to establish what's good and what isn't, because everybody has a different point of view. Graphic bias is even less harmful. It informs more, either to the opposite or the benefit of the character, but always inside the context of true and existant information.
About the pic excess: just look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Naruto. Now THAT really is excess. TheOrgy 19:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Just a note so you understand finally: I don't want the quotes like that. They should be there, but without the titles for each year. Don't mention the quotes thing as if it was MY version because it ISNT, it is the page that everybody had agreed seemingly upon until MegamanZero started changing it again, and even himself had agreed to not remove the images, but to only remove the quotes. This http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Iori_Yagami&oldid=29488822 is the version of the page that I wanted. TheOrgy 19:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
The difference with the Naruto Character list is that one has one for each character. This article has several for each character. And if you're not writing objectively, then I might need to add some other tags, like the neutrality dispute tag. Wolf ODonnell 20:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I didn't say that I wasn't writing objectively. I said that I wasn't adding pictures objectively. How could I? to offer a better information to the readers, and to make the profile better and more enjoyable, you have to be biased towards the greatest aspects of the personality of the character, in this case this videogame character. In simple words, the better you make him look, the better the article about him looks, and in this case, the better that the readers are informed of his personality in an entertaining manner, rather than an uninteresting and careless manner. TheOrgy 20:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes but that has nothing to due with objectivity, which I might point out is what your whole previous statement emphasized. The point is that the pictures make the article look worse, not better. They overcrowd it, add a lot of unnecessary strain onto the servers, and dont format well. A couple of those images in your version are big enough that on a low resolution monitor, they will take up almost the whole screen. As a matter of fact two of them do just that. A prime example of a well executed article about a video game character, with a consertative well thought out use of images is here Helena (DOA. The other DOA character articles are all reasonably well done as well, but this is probably the best example. It follows what you clain you are trying to do, but shows restraint, something that this article painfully needs.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk| @ 20:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)