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This article is biased. I recognize the translation of term "prekrštavanje" into "baptism" and "forced baptism". Catholic church recognizes baptism of Orthodox Church to the full extent (unlike protestant) (source: http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/maximos_reply.aspx). I know it takes nothing to change a term from "baptism" to "conversion" but just noticing that article has that recognizable signature. According to the article it would mean that people were baptized twice and it is not permitted to baptize twice by Catholic church (surce: http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-getting-baptized-more-than-once-a-sin-against-the-holy-spirit). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.147.119.226 ( talk) 19:31, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
As far as I see there is a failure in the citation of Saric in the chapter "Role in Ustaše violence". In the article is written:Ivan Šarić is believed to have been the "worst" of the Catholic bishops who supported the Ustaša; his diocesan newspaper wrote: "there is no limit to love...... with reference on Michael Phayer :The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930-1965 page 35. But in the book actually is written: "there is a limit to love......". I corrected the citation. Regards Seader ( talk) 20:09, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Please see commons:File talk:Ustasamilitia.jpg. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 09:16, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
@ Ozhistory: do you have the Phayer book(s) and could you fix refs that say e.g. "Phayer, p. 237" without specifying which of the two books is being referenced? Thanks! GregorB ( talk) 14:48, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
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"Sud odbio tužbu preživjelih iz holokausta u NDH protiv Vatikanske banke". Slobodnadalmacija.hr. Retrieved 15 May 2013.
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I have some questions about the current title of this page ( Catholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše). The use of term "Catholic clergy" in the title would imply that this article actually deals with personal involvement of various Catholic clerics with the Ustaše. In fact, the scope of this article is much wider, since it also deals with institutional relations between Catholic Church and Independent State of Croatia. At the very beginning of the page, the first sentence states that this article "covers the role of the Croatian Catholic Church in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH)". Therefore, we should consider the possibility of replacing title words "Catholic clergy" with "Catholic Church" since that would be more consistent with actual content of this article. There is another issue with second part of the title: "involvement with the Ustaše". Such wording would imply that this article is dedicated to Catholic-Ustaša involvement in general, from the very beginnings of the Ustaša movement to the present day, and that is not so, because this article is focused only on events starting from 1941. The long and complex history of Catholic-Ustaša relations during prewar years, up to the 1941, is currently mentioned in this article with only one sentence! Also, many important issues considering Catholic relations with Ustaša emigration during later postwar decades are also not mentioned. Therefore, we should consider the possibility of replacing title words "involvement with the Ustaše" and redefining entire title into: Catholic Church and the Independent State of Croatia. Such title would be much clearer and consistent with actual content of this article. Any thoughts on that? Sorabino ( talk) 23:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
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Aloysius Stepinac#World War II should be more accurately summarized in this article's section on Archbishop Stepinac. Currently it seems like some aspects are cherry-picked, making this an incomplete covering of the topic which is non-neutral. More precisely, most of the sources cited in this article are the ones that assert Stepinac's support (to a degree) of the ISC regime. wumbolo ^^^ 16:22, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
I propose renaming this to "Catholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše and Axis occupiers in the Yugoslavia" or, alternatively, "Catholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše and Axis occupiers in NDH", or something like that. This widening of scope should make the article more interesting, and it would be more natural that way because the Ustaše were subordinate to the Axis occupiers in NDH. (To be specific, I have statements by Archbishop Šarić about Hitler in mind.) Notrium ( talk) 01:38, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
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This article is biased. I recognize the translation of term "prekrštavanje" into "baptism" and "forced baptism". Catholic church recognizes baptism of Orthodox Church to the full extent (unlike protestant) (source: http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/maximos_reply.aspx). I know it takes nothing to change a term from "baptism" to "conversion" but just noticing that article has that recognizable signature. According to the article it would mean that people were baptized twice and it is not permitted to baptize twice by Catholic church (surce: http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-getting-baptized-more-than-once-a-sin-against-the-holy-spirit). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.147.119.226 ( talk) 19:31, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
As far as I see there is a failure in the citation of Saric in the chapter "Role in Ustaše violence". In the article is written:Ivan Šarić is believed to have been the "worst" of the Catholic bishops who supported the Ustaša; his diocesan newspaper wrote: "there is no limit to love...... with reference on Michael Phayer :The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930-1965 page 35. But in the book actually is written: "there is a limit to love......". I corrected the citation. Regards Seader ( talk) 20:09, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Please see commons:File talk:Ustasamilitia.jpg. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 09:16, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
@ Ozhistory: do you have the Phayer book(s) and could you fix refs that say e.g. "Phayer, p. 237" without specifying which of the two books is being referenced? Thanks! GregorB ( talk) 14:48, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
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I have some questions about the current title of this page ( Catholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše). The use of term "Catholic clergy" in the title would imply that this article actually deals with personal involvement of various Catholic clerics with the Ustaše. In fact, the scope of this article is much wider, since it also deals with institutional relations between Catholic Church and Independent State of Croatia. At the very beginning of the page, the first sentence states that this article "covers the role of the Croatian Catholic Church in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH)". Therefore, we should consider the possibility of replacing title words "Catholic clergy" with "Catholic Church" since that would be more consistent with actual content of this article. There is another issue with second part of the title: "involvement with the Ustaše". Such wording would imply that this article is dedicated to Catholic-Ustaša involvement in general, from the very beginnings of the Ustaša movement to the present day, and that is not so, because this article is focused only on events starting from 1941. The long and complex history of Catholic-Ustaša relations during prewar years, up to the 1941, is currently mentioned in this article with only one sentence! Also, many important issues considering Catholic relations with Ustaša emigration during later postwar decades are also not mentioned. Therefore, we should consider the possibility of replacing title words "involvement with the Ustaše" and redefining entire title into: Catholic Church and the Independent State of Croatia. Such title would be much clearer and consistent with actual content of this article. Any thoughts on that? Sorabino ( talk) 23:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
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Aloysius Stepinac#World War II should be more accurately summarized in this article's section on Archbishop Stepinac. Currently it seems like some aspects are cherry-picked, making this an incomplete covering of the topic which is non-neutral. More precisely, most of the sources cited in this article are the ones that assert Stepinac's support (to a degree) of the ISC regime. wumbolo ^^^ 16:22, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
I propose renaming this to "Catholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše and Axis occupiers in the Yugoslavia" or, alternatively, "Catholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše and Axis occupiers in NDH", or something like that. This widening of scope should make the article more interesting, and it would be more natural that way because the Ustaše were subordinate to the Axis occupiers in NDH. (To be specific, I have statements by Archbishop Šarić about Hitler in mind.) Notrium ( talk) 01:38, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
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