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This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because this article and the article Metric system are a complimentary pair of articles - one for the specialist and one for the layman. I have made a substanial contributions to both. The article Introduction to the metric system was inspired by the article Introduction to special relativity which complements the article Special relativity. -- Martinvl ( talk) 17:47, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
This blanket reversion of all the additions and improvements I've made to the article over the last 18 hours, or so, is not acceptable behaviour. Each of my 20 or more updates was carefully considered and fully explained. Of course, if another editor disagrees with or has a problem with any one of those edits, they should challenge it (on this talkpage preferably); but to undo the whole lot in one go is, I believe, a gross discourtesy. For that reason I have undone that reversion. I will, of course, be happy to discuss any particluar problem here. -- de Facto ( talk). 08:30, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
ALthought the Bastile was stormed in 1789, the King remained in place until 1791 and it was he who actually authorised the "metre expedition" after the matter had been discussed in the French Assembly. The next day he tried to flee France, but was arrested on the French border. It is debatable as to when the French Revolution ended - Napoleon's coup in 1799?, his proclamation of becoming emperor in 1803? It is debatable and is a good topic for a school examination question or project. Martinvl ( talk) 13:26, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
According to the Mesures usuelles article the metric system was introduced in France between 1795 and 1800. According to the French Revolution article that event took place between 1789 and 1799. For these reasons I amended the start of the second paragraph in the 'Origins' section from:
to
I have been challenged on my talkpage to revert that change. Do we have a variation on those dates to support a revert? -- de Facto ( talk). 16:05, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
No - it is important to demonstrate the non-political nature of the metric system. It needed planning, that planning took a few years and it was during the planning phase that the king was executed, but this did not affect the planning. Now be a good boy and revoke your changes. Martinvl ( talk) 16:43, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted the lede to what it was before DeFacto started his changes - this is an introductory article and the lede should highlight the most significant features of the system as seen by the "lay reader". The bit about Mesures Uselles does not affect the average reader, so it has no place in the lede, never mind in the opening sentence. The bit about prefixes is fundemental to the metric system which is why it is in the lede. Martinvl ( talk) 08:07, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I've restored the self-evident fact that the writing standards are not widely adhered to. To ensure that readers can verify that though, we need to find a way to reliably source it. Does anyone have any suggestions how we could achieve this? -- de Facto ( talk). 16:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I have revoked a number of changes. This article is targetted at novice users - it should stick as closely to the language of the SI Brochure as possible. Martinvl ( talk) 12:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
This article is aimed at UK or US readers who missed out on being taught about the metric system while at school. The article deliberately makes minimal reference to the concepts of work and energy and minimal reference to any controversies unless they relate to everyday life such as the kilocalories vs the Calorie. For this reason I felt that the definition of the litre between 1901 and 1964 was too detailed for this article and I have therefore deleted it.
BTW, I felt that replacing "Imperial" with "Customary" was inappropriate, especially as the article is written in UK English. I have therefore reinstated the word "Imperial" alongside the word "Customary".
Martinvl ( talk) 03:59, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
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I don't see the need for, or wisdom of, having an Introduction to the metric system, when this introduction appears larger than the main article metric system. Was it created just because someone didn't like what others wrote in the proper article? I am not placing a merge tag, yet, but rather invoke the suggestion. Kbrose ( talk) 15:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Per WP:TECHNICAL, introductory articles are intended "[f]or topics which are unavoidably technical but, at the same time, of significant interest to non-technical readers". It makes it clear that these articles are to be kept to a minimum.
Of the over six million topics on Wikipedia, a total of fourteen have separate introductions on this basis:
I think you could argue the toss on some of those (is systolic geometry really "of significant interest to non-technical readers"?) but this one sticks out like a sore thumb. I simply don't believe that an article on SI absolutely has to be so technical that it cannot be made accessible to non-technical readers. I therefore support a merge into International System of Units - which, as User:Quondum notes - is actually the main article for this topic. Kahastok talk 17:47, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
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This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because this article and the article Metric system are a complimentary pair of articles - one for the specialist and one for the layman. I have made a substanial contributions to both. The article Introduction to the metric system was inspired by the article Introduction to special relativity which complements the article Special relativity. -- Martinvl ( talk) 17:47, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
This blanket reversion of all the additions and improvements I've made to the article over the last 18 hours, or so, is not acceptable behaviour. Each of my 20 or more updates was carefully considered and fully explained. Of course, if another editor disagrees with or has a problem with any one of those edits, they should challenge it (on this talkpage preferably); but to undo the whole lot in one go is, I believe, a gross discourtesy. For that reason I have undone that reversion. I will, of course, be happy to discuss any particluar problem here. -- de Facto ( talk). 08:30, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
ALthought the Bastile was stormed in 1789, the King remained in place until 1791 and it was he who actually authorised the "metre expedition" after the matter had been discussed in the French Assembly. The next day he tried to flee France, but was arrested on the French border. It is debatable as to when the French Revolution ended - Napoleon's coup in 1799?, his proclamation of becoming emperor in 1803? It is debatable and is a good topic for a school examination question or project. Martinvl ( talk) 13:26, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
According to the Mesures usuelles article the metric system was introduced in France between 1795 and 1800. According to the French Revolution article that event took place between 1789 and 1799. For these reasons I amended the start of the second paragraph in the 'Origins' section from:
to
I have been challenged on my talkpage to revert that change. Do we have a variation on those dates to support a revert? -- de Facto ( talk). 16:05, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
No - it is important to demonstrate the non-political nature of the metric system. It needed planning, that planning took a few years and it was during the planning phase that the king was executed, but this did not affect the planning. Now be a good boy and revoke your changes. Martinvl ( talk) 16:43, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted the lede to what it was before DeFacto started his changes - this is an introductory article and the lede should highlight the most significant features of the system as seen by the "lay reader". The bit about Mesures Uselles does not affect the average reader, so it has no place in the lede, never mind in the opening sentence. The bit about prefixes is fundemental to the metric system which is why it is in the lede. Martinvl ( talk) 08:07, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I've restored the self-evident fact that the writing standards are not widely adhered to. To ensure that readers can verify that though, we need to find a way to reliably source it. Does anyone have any suggestions how we could achieve this? -- de Facto ( talk). 16:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I have revoked a number of changes. This article is targetted at novice users - it should stick as closely to the language of the SI Brochure as possible. Martinvl ( talk) 12:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
This article is aimed at UK or US readers who missed out on being taught about the metric system while at school. The article deliberately makes minimal reference to the concepts of work and energy and minimal reference to any controversies unless they relate to everyday life such as the kilocalories vs the Calorie. For this reason I felt that the definition of the litre between 1901 and 1964 was too detailed for this article and I have therefore deleted it.
BTW, I felt that replacing "Imperial" with "Customary" was inappropriate, especially as the article is written in UK English. I have therefore reinstated the word "Imperial" alongside the word "Customary".
Martinvl ( talk) 03:59, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
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I don't see the need for, or wisdom of, having an Introduction to the metric system, when this introduction appears larger than the main article metric system. Was it created just because someone didn't like what others wrote in the proper article? I am not placing a merge tag, yet, but rather invoke the suggestion. Kbrose ( talk) 15:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Per WP:TECHNICAL, introductory articles are intended "[f]or topics which are unavoidably technical but, at the same time, of significant interest to non-technical readers". It makes it clear that these articles are to be kept to a minimum.
Of the over six million topics on Wikipedia, a total of fourteen have separate introductions on this basis:
I think you could argue the toss on some of those (is systolic geometry really "of significant interest to non-technical readers"?) but this one sticks out like a sore thumb. I simply don't believe that an article on SI absolutely has to be so technical that it cannot be made accessible to non-technical readers. I therefore support a merge into International System of Units - which, as User:Quondum notes - is actually the main article for this topic. Kahastok talk 17:47, 26 April 2020 (UTC)