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I am wondering what is involved in doing something like this. I do not know what all is supposed to go into it and if you can provide me a link or an example of what is needed I can probally put one of these up on the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihsfbstadium ( talk • contribs) 06:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
How does M-6 ( Michigan_State_Highway_6) fit in? It's the new "South Beltline". Is it important enough to warrant a mention in the junctions on this page, and the Interstate 196 page? If no one raises an objection I am going to add it in soon, especially since there is some possibility it may itself pick up an Interstate designation... ++ Lar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lar ( talk • contribs) 22:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to know exactly how adding a link to my Interstate 96 page counts as "spam." My page is perfectly valid and well-researched, and provides some more information that Wikipedia's I-96 page doesn't list. Frankly, if my page isn't "good enough" for inclusion as an external link, neither should the other ones be. -- Larrysphatpage 07:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I am currently working on building a comprehensive exit list, and expanding the article in general. It is currently incomplete, but should be finished in the next day or two. Hotstreets 08:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I have finished adding the exit guide! (Finally!) There are many rough edges, but I wanted to get the basic information in. It is definitely ready for some cleaning and copyediting. I will work on this a little bit in the coming day, but I am more interested in adding a "History" section to this article. Thanks for your help! Hotstreets 02:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to expand this section to add a paragraph describing what a local/express configuration is, for those that may not be familiar. I will work on this in the next day, but I didn't want it to hold up putting in the rest of the exit list. Hotstreets 02:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I was looking for sources to supplement and/or replace the newsgroup postings that I currently have cited, and I have a Detroit Standard Oil Street map circa 1960. Do you know how I would properly cite this? This is my guess...
"Detroit Street Map" (circa 1960). Rand McNally and Company. Distributed by Standard Oil Division, American Oil Company.
I also have some Michigan maps from the era that I would like to cite, so I would like to get this right the first time. Thanks, Hotstreets 23:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I really liked the recent addition of the table-ized "Junctions with other freeways" section, and I decided to run with the idea. First of all, the current "Exit List" section with the large tables is 32 KB long, and more than long enough to warrant its own separate article. As a result, I would like to propose that the existing tabular content of the "Exit List" section be moved to a separate article, tentatively titled Exit list of Interstate 96. In its place, I propose that the new "Exit List" section in the main article consist of a summary of the mile-based numbering/exit system in place for I-96, and an expanded version of the "Junctions with other freeways" section as a subtopic, creating a nice "summary-style" section. My proposed content for the Interstate 96 main article (including an updated "Junctions with other freeways" table) is located at User:Hotstreets/Sandbox. If nobody objects in a day or two, I would like to make these changes. Thanks, Hotstreets 07:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't like it, because it's such a wide break from other articles in the project. I would rather see the exit list stay in the main article and the "Junctions with other freeways" section pared back to just junctions with other interstates. I think the junctions with other freeways were userful before the exit list was written, but now that we have the list, that can cover it. Personally, I'd also like to see the exit list condensed to a single list. —
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Okay. Thanks, I must have misunderstood the main project page, when it says "A detailed list of exits, optionally on their own subpages, that the Interstate has." However, my rationale in suggesting the changes was that:
I appreciate your comments; but after reading my rationale behind my choices, please let me know if you still have concerns. Thanks again. – Hotstreets 17:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Hrm. Really, I guess part of the problem is that this is an interstate that isn't. Take I-95, for example: it has articles for each individual state it traverses, and that's where the exit lives. So, it does make sense to split the exit list out. For consistency, I would suggest that Interstate 96 in Michigan at least be a redirect to the article. — C.Fred ( talk) 02:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I have created that redirect, as per your suggestions. Yeah, in some ways, I-96 is more like a 3di article than a 2di article, due to its intrastate status. Thanks, Hotstreets 03:45, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I have replaced the existing Major Cities bulleted list with the same information in tabular format. While this may seem counterintuitive the way I've done it, I just wanted to explain: as the upcoming "Route Description" section grows in size, I will move this up there as a floating table and eliminate the "Major Cities" topic, as it becomes redundant in the presence of an exit list and accurate route description. Currently putting this table inside the empty Route Description section looks quite horrible. Hotstreets 07:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
According to [1] exits 163 is only for eastbound and exit 165 only for westbound. This is also consistent with the absence of exit 165 in [2]—a trip along I-96 E, and with Google maps referring to all the relevant westbound exits (except for through I-96 travel) as 165— I-96 W -> I-696, I-96 W -> M-5 N, I-96 W -> M-5 E, I-96 W (no mention of exit nos.). For eastbound travel though, Google only refers to exit 163 but never exit 164— I-96 E -> I-696, I-96 E -> M-5 E, I-96 E -> M-5 N (no mention of exit nos.), I-96 E (no mention of exit nos.).
I'll update the table to split exits 163 and 165. -- Paddu 21:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the name of the article should simply be Exit list of Interstate 96 (or even could be merged into the article), as "in Michigan" is redundant as I-96 only exists in Michigan (and will likely never be extended as one end is Canada and the other is Lake Michigan). CrazyC83 22:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I have read that the current Interstate 94 in Michigan east of Benton Harbor, MI was originally intended to be Interstate 92, also the current route of Interstate 96 between it's eastern terminus and the current route of Interstate 196 was originally supposed to be I-94 including the current I-196 itself. So, please describe that in this article. -- Koopa turtle 01:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
This is apparently the current U.S. roads article improvement drive. I'm also adding the banner to the exit list article as an obvious extension. Hopefully we'll be able to do better with this than we did with I-79. -- NE2 11:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I tagged this as part of the U.S. roads article improvement drive, as a part of the "real" article, I-96. -- NE2 11:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Relevant maps: Image:Grand Rapids, Michigan 1955 Yellow Book.jpg, Image:Lansing, Michigan 1955 Yellow Book.jpg, Image:Detroit, Michigan 1955 Yellow Book.jpg Image:Interstate Highway plan August 14, 1957.jpg April 25, 1958 Image:Interstate Highway plan June 27, 1958.jpg
-- NE2 13:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
[6] might be useful for some early planning information. -- NE2 13:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
An actual numbering change, August 20, 1961: [7]
-- NE2 14:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I-96 was completed on December 12, 1962 [8] (except in Detroit). -- NE2 15:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
If a reference for US 16 using the beltline around Grand Rapids is needed: [13] -- NE2 17:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Some more early history: [14] [15] -- NE2 17:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
[16] -- NE2 10:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Scheduled for 1972 completion along Grand River Avenue; "New Detroit-Ann Arbor Link" also planned -- NE2 11:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by NE2 ( talk • contribs) 06:34, October 8, 2007 (UTC)
[18] is under an acceptable license, but it's just a random road shot. Hopefully someone can get a better one. -- NE2 06:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
From [19]:
192.032 total — Preceding unsigned comment added by NE2 ( talk • contribs) 23:56, October 8, 2007 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by NE2 ( talk • contribs) 10:08, October 9, 2007 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by NE2 ( talk • contribs) 11:43, October 9, 2007 (UTC)
If the Ambassador Bridge and its approaches should be upgraded to Interstate standards, then does the American side of the bridge become an extension of Interstate 96, much as the Blue Water bridge has become part of Interstates 69 and 94 west of the Canada - US border? The bridge seems to be on an alignment. Pbrower2a ( talk) 02:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
I am highly concerned about this edit: [20]. It adds a nonstandard section to the article, against WP:USRD/STDS and against the convention of the Michigan road articles, most of which are GA. This also smells of Wikipedia:Recentism, which is inappropriate for a general-purpose encyclopedia. According to the user's suggestion [21] I have brought the discussion here. -- Rs chen 7754 21:00, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
This article is about the road itself, not societal events that may involve the road. No-one is saying that once the whole story is available an article titled I-96 Sniper wouldn't be important. But that story is not about the road. An analogy would be, the article Human does not have any information in it about Murder, even though murder is a strictly human thing. Gtwfan52 ( talk) 23:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm boldly moving the content to the history. the USRD/STDS formula is not so rigid as some would claim. Cases in point:
However, these events related to the shooter, as of this moment, do not yet rise to the importance of a full section of this article. Yes, they warrant some mention in this article, just like the trademark dispute warrants some mention in the "Cultural impact" section of M-22 (Michigan highway), but the core of the details of the crimes should be covered in a separate article. For now, I've taken what TomCat added, moved it to the History section, fully cited it, updated it, and formatted the one citation for consistency. It is a "historical event" for the highway, even though it is on-going. Imzadi 1979 → 23:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
IMO, in the bigger picture, weather the guidelines at WP:USRD/STDS are overly rigid is a legitimate debate that we can have. However, a current event where the summary will change daily is not the appropriate poster child to make that argument. On this specific issue, I agree a level 2 heading is a bit much. What's wrong with a level 3 heading though? Dave ( talk) 02:48, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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Just wondering. Eric Cable ! Talk 14:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I thought about that as well and added something in there explaining that point prior to seeing this. There's an interstate in Hawaii too. South Nashua ( talk) 22:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Recently completed construction on the I-96/U.S.-23 interchange has altered the exit numbers and destinations. Specifically, the exit off westbound I-96 for Spencer Road is now combined with the exit for northbound U.S.-23. I don't know the resulting exit numbers or mile marks, but this could be updated by someone who does. BWSMI ( talk) 20:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC) BWSMI
It was certainly spectacular...
https://www.bing.com/search?q=pleasant+valley+road+bridge+accident&qs=AS&pq=pleasant+valley+road+bri&sc=8-24&cvid=29BB31DE76764C3B85B4B186E4FE86F7&FORM=QBLH&sp=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.236.48.34 ( talk) 20:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
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I am wondering what is involved in doing something like this. I do not know what all is supposed to go into it and if you can provide me a link or an example of what is needed I can probally put one of these up on the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihsfbstadium ( talk • contribs) 06:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
How does M-6 ( Michigan_State_Highway_6) fit in? It's the new "South Beltline". Is it important enough to warrant a mention in the junctions on this page, and the Interstate 196 page? If no one raises an objection I am going to add it in soon, especially since there is some possibility it may itself pick up an Interstate designation... ++ Lar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lar ( talk • contribs) 22:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to know exactly how adding a link to my Interstate 96 page counts as "spam." My page is perfectly valid and well-researched, and provides some more information that Wikipedia's I-96 page doesn't list. Frankly, if my page isn't "good enough" for inclusion as an external link, neither should the other ones be. -- Larrysphatpage 07:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I am currently working on building a comprehensive exit list, and expanding the article in general. It is currently incomplete, but should be finished in the next day or two. Hotstreets 08:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I have finished adding the exit guide! (Finally!) There are many rough edges, but I wanted to get the basic information in. It is definitely ready for some cleaning and copyediting. I will work on this a little bit in the coming day, but I am more interested in adding a "History" section to this article. Thanks for your help! Hotstreets 02:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to expand this section to add a paragraph describing what a local/express configuration is, for those that may not be familiar. I will work on this in the next day, but I didn't want it to hold up putting in the rest of the exit list. Hotstreets 02:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I was looking for sources to supplement and/or replace the newsgroup postings that I currently have cited, and I have a Detroit Standard Oil Street map circa 1960. Do you know how I would properly cite this? This is my guess...
"Detroit Street Map" (circa 1960). Rand McNally and Company. Distributed by Standard Oil Division, American Oil Company.
I also have some Michigan maps from the era that I would like to cite, so I would like to get this right the first time. Thanks, Hotstreets 23:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I really liked the recent addition of the table-ized "Junctions with other freeways" section, and I decided to run with the idea. First of all, the current "Exit List" section with the large tables is 32 KB long, and more than long enough to warrant its own separate article. As a result, I would like to propose that the existing tabular content of the "Exit List" section be moved to a separate article, tentatively titled Exit list of Interstate 96. In its place, I propose that the new "Exit List" section in the main article consist of a summary of the mile-based numbering/exit system in place for I-96, and an expanded version of the "Junctions with other freeways" section as a subtopic, creating a nice "summary-style" section. My proposed content for the Interstate 96 main article (including an updated "Junctions with other freeways" table) is located at User:Hotstreets/Sandbox. If nobody objects in a day or two, I would like to make these changes. Thanks, Hotstreets 07:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't like it, because it's such a wide break from other articles in the project. I would rather see the exit list stay in the main article and the "Junctions with other freeways" section pared back to just junctions with other interstates. I think the junctions with other freeways were userful before the exit list was written, but now that we have the list, that can cover it. Personally, I'd also like to see the exit list condensed to a single list. —
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Okay. Thanks, I must have misunderstood the main project page, when it says "A detailed list of exits, optionally on their own subpages, that the Interstate has." However, my rationale in suggesting the changes was that:
I appreciate your comments; but after reading my rationale behind my choices, please let me know if you still have concerns. Thanks again. – Hotstreets 17:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Hrm. Really, I guess part of the problem is that this is an interstate that isn't. Take I-95, for example: it has articles for each individual state it traverses, and that's where the exit lives. So, it does make sense to split the exit list out. For consistency, I would suggest that Interstate 96 in Michigan at least be a redirect to the article. — C.Fred ( talk) 02:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I have created that redirect, as per your suggestions. Yeah, in some ways, I-96 is more like a 3di article than a 2di article, due to its intrastate status. Thanks, Hotstreets 03:45, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I have replaced the existing Major Cities bulleted list with the same information in tabular format. While this may seem counterintuitive the way I've done it, I just wanted to explain: as the upcoming "Route Description" section grows in size, I will move this up there as a floating table and eliminate the "Major Cities" topic, as it becomes redundant in the presence of an exit list and accurate route description. Currently putting this table inside the empty Route Description section looks quite horrible. Hotstreets 07:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
According to [1] exits 163 is only for eastbound and exit 165 only for westbound. This is also consistent with the absence of exit 165 in [2]—a trip along I-96 E, and with Google maps referring to all the relevant westbound exits (except for through I-96 travel) as 165— I-96 W -> I-696, I-96 W -> M-5 N, I-96 W -> M-5 E, I-96 W (no mention of exit nos.). For eastbound travel though, Google only refers to exit 163 but never exit 164— I-96 E -> I-696, I-96 E -> M-5 E, I-96 E -> M-5 N (no mention of exit nos.), I-96 E (no mention of exit nos.).
I'll update the table to split exits 163 and 165. -- Paddu 21:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the name of the article should simply be Exit list of Interstate 96 (or even could be merged into the article), as "in Michigan" is redundant as I-96 only exists in Michigan (and will likely never be extended as one end is Canada and the other is Lake Michigan). CrazyC83 22:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I have read that the current Interstate 94 in Michigan east of Benton Harbor, MI was originally intended to be Interstate 92, also the current route of Interstate 96 between it's eastern terminus and the current route of Interstate 196 was originally supposed to be I-94 including the current I-196 itself. So, please describe that in this article. -- Koopa turtle 01:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
This is apparently the current U.S. roads article improvement drive. I'm also adding the banner to the exit list article as an obvious extension. Hopefully we'll be able to do better with this than we did with I-79. -- NE2 11:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I tagged this as part of the U.S. roads article improvement drive, as a part of the "real" article, I-96. -- NE2 11:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Relevant maps: Image:Grand Rapids, Michigan 1955 Yellow Book.jpg, Image:Lansing, Michigan 1955 Yellow Book.jpg, Image:Detroit, Michigan 1955 Yellow Book.jpg Image:Interstate Highway plan August 14, 1957.jpg April 25, 1958 Image:Interstate Highway plan June 27, 1958.jpg
-- NE2 13:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
[6] might be useful for some early planning information. -- NE2 13:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
An actual numbering change, August 20, 1961: [7]
-- NE2 14:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I-96 was completed on December 12, 1962 [8] (except in Detroit). -- NE2 15:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
If a reference for US 16 using the beltline around Grand Rapids is needed: [13] -- NE2 17:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Some more early history: [14] [15] -- NE2 17:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
[16] -- NE2 10:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Scheduled for 1972 completion along Grand River Avenue; "New Detroit-Ann Arbor Link" also planned -- NE2 11:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by NE2 ( talk • contribs) 06:34, October 8, 2007 (UTC)
[18] is under an acceptable license, but it's just a random road shot. Hopefully someone can get a better one. -- NE2 06:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
From [19]:
192.032 total — Preceding unsigned comment added by NE2 ( talk • contribs) 23:56, October 8, 2007 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by NE2 ( talk • contribs) 10:08, October 9, 2007 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by NE2 ( talk • contribs) 11:43, October 9, 2007 (UTC)
If the Ambassador Bridge and its approaches should be upgraded to Interstate standards, then does the American side of the bridge become an extension of Interstate 96, much as the Blue Water bridge has become part of Interstates 69 and 94 west of the Canada - US border? The bridge seems to be on an alignment. Pbrower2a ( talk) 02:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
I am highly concerned about this edit: [20]. It adds a nonstandard section to the article, against WP:USRD/STDS and against the convention of the Michigan road articles, most of which are GA. This also smells of Wikipedia:Recentism, which is inappropriate for a general-purpose encyclopedia. According to the user's suggestion [21] I have brought the discussion here. -- Rs chen 7754 21:00, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
This article is about the road itself, not societal events that may involve the road. No-one is saying that once the whole story is available an article titled I-96 Sniper wouldn't be important. But that story is not about the road. An analogy would be, the article Human does not have any information in it about Murder, even though murder is a strictly human thing. Gtwfan52 ( talk) 23:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm boldly moving the content to the history. the USRD/STDS formula is not so rigid as some would claim. Cases in point:
However, these events related to the shooter, as of this moment, do not yet rise to the importance of a full section of this article. Yes, they warrant some mention in this article, just like the trademark dispute warrants some mention in the "Cultural impact" section of M-22 (Michigan highway), but the core of the details of the crimes should be covered in a separate article. For now, I've taken what TomCat added, moved it to the History section, fully cited it, updated it, and formatted the one citation for consistency. It is a "historical event" for the highway, even though it is on-going. Imzadi 1979 → 23:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
IMO, in the bigger picture, weather the guidelines at WP:USRD/STDS are overly rigid is a legitimate debate that we can have. However, a current event where the summary will change daily is not the appropriate poster child to make that argument. On this specific issue, I agree a level 2 heading is a bit much. What's wrong with a level 3 heading though? Dave ( talk) 02:48, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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Just wondering. Eric Cable ! Talk 14:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I thought about that as well and added something in there explaining that point prior to seeing this. There's an interstate in Hawaii too. South Nashua ( talk) 22:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Recently completed construction on the I-96/U.S.-23 interchange has altered the exit numbers and destinations. Specifically, the exit off westbound I-96 for Spencer Road is now combined with the exit for northbound U.S.-23. I don't know the resulting exit numbers or mile marks, but this could be updated by someone who does. BWSMI ( talk) 20:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC) BWSMI
It was certainly spectacular...
https://www.bing.com/search?q=pleasant+valley+road+bridge+accident&qs=AS&pq=pleasant+valley+road+bri&sc=8-24&cvid=29BB31DE76764C3B85B4B186E4FE86F7&FORM=QBLH&sp=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.236.48.34 ( talk) 20:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC)