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Is it really reasonable to say "I-87 and its Autoroute 15 successor provide a very popular New York-to-Montréal route because of the breathtaking scenery."? They are a popular route in this corridor because they consitute the most direct major through route, not because they're scenic. 18.173.1.42 21:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I really don't think the scenery or Expo 67 caused the construction of the Northway. The road was on the original interstate maps submitted in the early/mid 1950's....I'm also not aware highways in that era were controversial
346 or 333 miles? The article says the former, the infobox the latter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.65.224.103 ( talk) 19:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
The idea that the Northway was once supposed to continue past Western Ave is erroneous and an urban legend. NEVER was it supposed to do anything more than what it does now. Yes, there were plans for a mid-crosstown arterial that would have linked i-90 (the free part) with i-787 and i-90/thruway but that had nothing to do with why the northway ends at western ave. it ends there because it ends there! yes it looks like it would fit an exit for the thruway very comfortably, and it will eventually, but no the northway was never to continue to parallel the thruway all the way to exit 23. NO website on cancelled or current highways in the capital district verifies this idea of extending all the way to i-787 and thruway exit 23, gribblenation or capitalhighways or any number of good websites. 24.182.142.254 23:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
You are confusing and jumbling together several different highways. The southside route is an old name for what eventually became labelled as I-787. The other highways you are jumbling with this highway are the Crosstown Connection (NY route 85), the cancelled Midtown Connection from the current Corporate Woods exit of I-90 to the I-787/Thruway exit, and also the South Mall Expressway. Camelbinky ( talk) 18:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
This article is in Category:Robert Moses projects. Is that referring to the Deegan, or did he have something to do with the Northway? -- NE2 04:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was support merge. – T M F 13:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
The only notable point about this route relates to the Northway's construction; otherwise, it's an unremarkable exit ramp. – T M F 22:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
"Lake George Connector" is likely a neologism as well - the only three Google results are all roadgeek sites. – T M F 23:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I support a merge, possibly into a separate Northway article if this one gets too long, unless Mitch can show that there's a lot more history. -- NE2 09:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
The Northway should be a separate article, the Thruway is. The Northway is distinct from the rest of I-87 and includes Fuller Road Alternate (unsigned reference route 910F and NOT part of I-87). Camelbinky ( talk) 08:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't see any reason why this was split back out. My opinion on merging 912Q is the same now as it was a year ago, when I proposed it. (I'm rehashing this discussion as it was brought up on WT:USRD.) – T M F 07:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I support merging 912Q to I-87, and to a future Northway article (once a decent article about it can be made). As it is now, it appears to be simple a long exit ramp and would make more sense to mention it in the history of the Northway. -- Polaron | Talk 12:48, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
If no one objects to the merge in the next couple of days, I'll close this out and go ahead with it. – T M F 22:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Does it really make sense to get into what Interstates 287 junctions with on the I-87 page when 287 has a page for that purpose already?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.125.156 ( talk • contribs) 22:43, July 10, 2006
The infobox for Interstate 87 has 11 junctions, one more than the rule. All of the roads listed in the infobox are major, with the Palisades Parkway being the shortest overall. However, the Garden State Parkway, although longer than the Palisades Parkway, is only a few miles in NY and is mostly in NJ. Any suggestions on what route to eliminate? I vote for the Palisades Parkway, but I would like some feedback. PointsofNoReturn ( talk) 21:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Someone merged together the three i87 exit list together (Major Deegan, NY state thruway and Adirondack Northway) which is a great idea. Lot easier to read North-south, Montreal to NYc 66.249.83.224 ( talk) 16:33, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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Ok here’s the rundown on the tolls: -Yonkers is not automatic. It’s a normal plaza, they are planning to upgrade it. -Tappan Zee Bridge is automatic -Spring Valley is... a mess. Cars and vehicles with E-ZPass go through the gantry, trucks/buses/trailers without E-ZPass go to the booth. -Harriman is a gantry for E-ZPass and a booth for tickets -Albany is a not automatic, it’s a traditional plaza (and AWFUL to navigate - don’t get me started :)) Peterjack1 ( talk) 16:52, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Title speaks for itself. For this article I suggest we limit the junctions to limited-access highways Needforspeed888 ( talk) 19:35, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
What do you guys say about merging Major Deegan Expressway with this article since it is entirely concurrent with I-87. There’s no article exclusively for the Adirondack Northway, and there’s a short segment of that highway that’s NOT part of I-87.
@ Peterjack1: Why do you think that U.S. 9 should not be in the infobox but U.S. 2 should be? U.S. 9 is an important corridor in its own right, going from Canada to Delaware. U.S. 2 is important, but it does not directly interchange with the interstate. U.S. 9 does. In fact, U.S. 11 meets U.S. 9 far before it reaches U.S. 2, when traveling east. Just because U.S. 9 follows Interstate 87 for a large portion of its length does not mean it should not show up in the infobox: Actually, it means that it must show up at least once in the junction list, particularly where the parallel routes section begins. The parallel routes aspect is significant. I thought having U.S. 11 and saying "to U.S. 9 and U.S. 2" would be a fair compromise, but I guess you do not see it that way. I would prefer that U.S. 9 have its own junction entry, focusing on the last exit in NY, but that would bring the list to 11 entries, over 10. PointsofNoReturn ( talk) 01:47, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it is a major corridor, but US 9 intersects 87 many, many times and for most of the North Country is right next to it. So we keep it to the exit list, otherwise we’d have to list every time 87 meets 9 in the major junctions. US 2 is the bridge to Vermont, which is really important.
Just put “to US 9” in the exit list. That’s where they all are. And trust me, I tried having 11 junctions, all 11 were important but now one is gone. They will crush us like cockroaches — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.203.55.238 ( talk) 02:15, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
No I meant on the exit list not the major junctions — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.22.214 ( talk) 03:15, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
All of the other ones are just in the exit list, so lets just keep it consistent. - Peterjack1
I think Major Deegan Expressway should be merged into this article, as all of the Deegan is part of I-87. Needforspeed888 ( talk) 00:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
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@Dough4872, I think the Adirondack Northway should be a separate article for I-87.Even though the Major Deegan Expressway was merged,not all of the Northway is part of I-87,as it starts at US 20,and not I-90.It is barely mentioned within I-87 so maybe a new article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.16.99.72 ( talk) 16:33, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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Is it really reasonable to say "I-87 and its Autoroute 15 successor provide a very popular New York-to-Montréal route because of the breathtaking scenery."? They are a popular route in this corridor because they consitute the most direct major through route, not because they're scenic. 18.173.1.42 21:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I really don't think the scenery or Expo 67 caused the construction of the Northway. The road was on the original interstate maps submitted in the early/mid 1950's....I'm also not aware highways in that era were controversial
346 or 333 miles? The article says the former, the infobox the latter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.65.224.103 ( talk) 19:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
The idea that the Northway was once supposed to continue past Western Ave is erroneous and an urban legend. NEVER was it supposed to do anything more than what it does now. Yes, there were plans for a mid-crosstown arterial that would have linked i-90 (the free part) with i-787 and i-90/thruway but that had nothing to do with why the northway ends at western ave. it ends there because it ends there! yes it looks like it would fit an exit for the thruway very comfortably, and it will eventually, but no the northway was never to continue to parallel the thruway all the way to exit 23. NO website on cancelled or current highways in the capital district verifies this idea of extending all the way to i-787 and thruway exit 23, gribblenation or capitalhighways or any number of good websites. 24.182.142.254 23:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
You are confusing and jumbling together several different highways. The southside route is an old name for what eventually became labelled as I-787. The other highways you are jumbling with this highway are the Crosstown Connection (NY route 85), the cancelled Midtown Connection from the current Corporate Woods exit of I-90 to the I-787/Thruway exit, and also the South Mall Expressway. Camelbinky ( talk) 18:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
This article is in Category:Robert Moses projects. Is that referring to the Deegan, or did he have something to do with the Northway? -- NE2 04:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was support merge. – T M F 13:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
The only notable point about this route relates to the Northway's construction; otherwise, it's an unremarkable exit ramp. – T M F 22:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
"Lake George Connector" is likely a neologism as well - the only three Google results are all roadgeek sites. – T M F 23:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I support a merge, possibly into a separate Northway article if this one gets too long, unless Mitch can show that there's a lot more history. -- NE2 09:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
The Northway should be a separate article, the Thruway is. The Northway is distinct from the rest of I-87 and includes Fuller Road Alternate (unsigned reference route 910F and NOT part of I-87). Camelbinky ( talk) 08:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't see any reason why this was split back out. My opinion on merging 912Q is the same now as it was a year ago, when I proposed it. (I'm rehashing this discussion as it was brought up on WT:USRD.) – T M F 07:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I support merging 912Q to I-87, and to a future Northway article (once a decent article about it can be made). As it is now, it appears to be simple a long exit ramp and would make more sense to mention it in the history of the Northway. -- Polaron | Talk 12:48, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
If no one objects to the merge in the next couple of days, I'll close this out and go ahead with it. – T M F 22:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Does it really make sense to get into what Interstates 287 junctions with on the I-87 page when 287 has a page for that purpose already?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.125.156 ( talk • contribs) 22:43, July 10, 2006
The infobox for Interstate 87 has 11 junctions, one more than the rule. All of the roads listed in the infobox are major, with the Palisades Parkway being the shortest overall. However, the Garden State Parkway, although longer than the Palisades Parkway, is only a few miles in NY and is mostly in NJ. Any suggestions on what route to eliminate? I vote for the Palisades Parkway, but I would like some feedback. PointsofNoReturn ( talk) 21:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Someone merged together the three i87 exit list together (Major Deegan, NY state thruway and Adirondack Northway) which is a great idea. Lot easier to read North-south, Montreal to NYc 66.249.83.224 ( talk) 16:33, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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Since there is a proposed I-87 in Virginia and North Carolina, can I change the page's title to Interstate 87 (New York)? If you want to reply, talk to me at my talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ActivBowser9177 ( talk • contribs) 23:23, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
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Ok here’s the rundown on the tolls: -Yonkers is not automatic. It’s a normal plaza, they are planning to upgrade it. -Tappan Zee Bridge is automatic -Spring Valley is... a mess. Cars and vehicles with E-ZPass go through the gantry, trucks/buses/trailers without E-ZPass go to the booth. -Harriman is a gantry for E-ZPass and a booth for tickets -Albany is a not automatic, it’s a traditional plaza (and AWFUL to navigate - don’t get me started :)) Peterjack1 ( talk) 16:52, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Title speaks for itself. For this article I suggest we limit the junctions to limited-access highways Needforspeed888 ( talk) 19:35, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
What do you guys say about merging Major Deegan Expressway with this article since it is entirely concurrent with I-87. There’s no article exclusively for the Adirondack Northway, and there’s a short segment of that highway that’s NOT part of I-87.
@ Peterjack1: Why do you think that U.S. 9 should not be in the infobox but U.S. 2 should be? U.S. 9 is an important corridor in its own right, going from Canada to Delaware. U.S. 2 is important, but it does not directly interchange with the interstate. U.S. 9 does. In fact, U.S. 11 meets U.S. 9 far before it reaches U.S. 2, when traveling east. Just because U.S. 9 follows Interstate 87 for a large portion of its length does not mean it should not show up in the infobox: Actually, it means that it must show up at least once in the junction list, particularly where the parallel routes section begins. The parallel routes aspect is significant. I thought having U.S. 11 and saying "to U.S. 9 and U.S. 2" would be a fair compromise, but I guess you do not see it that way. I would prefer that U.S. 9 have its own junction entry, focusing on the last exit in NY, but that would bring the list to 11 entries, over 10. PointsofNoReturn ( talk) 01:47, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it is a major corridor, but US 9 intersects 87 many, many times and for most of the North Country is right next to it. So we keep it to the exit list, otherwise we’d have to list every time 87 meets 9 in the major junctions. US 2 is the bridge to Vermont, which is really important.
Just put “to US 9” in the exit list. That’s where they all are. And trust me, I tried having 11 junctions, all 11 were important but now one is gone. They will crush us like cockroaches — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.203.55.238 ( talk) 02:15, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
No I meant on the exit list not the major junctions — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.22.214 ( talk) 03:15, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
All of the other ones are just in the exit list, so lets just keep it consistent. - Peterjack1
I think Major Deegan Expressway should be merged into this article, as all of the Deegan is part of I-87. Needforspeed888 ( talk) 00:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Done
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@Dough4872, I think the Adirondack Northway should be a separate article for I-87.Even though the Major Deegan Expressway was merged,not all of the Northway is part of I-87,as it starts at US 20,and not I-90.It is barely mentioned within I-87 so maybe a new article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.16.99.72 ( talk) 16:33, 21 September 2019 (UTC)