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This 9 April letter lists 140 countries, including Mexico and the Holy See. The latter is an observer state, so 139 if we include Mexico.
Adding Barbados and Trinidad and Tobago since then gives 141.
Can we agree on this figure? Selfstudier ( talk) 11:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Can someone fact check whether or not Mexico recognised Palestine as a sovereign state? Qhairun ( talk) 13:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps worth mentioning in the non-recognition infoboxes for Ireland, Spain, Malta and Slovenia for now, before adding them to the recognising nations when the announcement is formally made? [1] Culloty82 ( talk) 11:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
additional UN rights given by the resolution are noted here. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/05/1149596 At this time, I haven't been able to identify the voting record, but imagine that will be available on the UN's website shortly. Gregory5796 ( talk) 16:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
The votes Selfstudier ( talk) 19:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi @ Kashmiri, This document [4] from 2019 indicates diplomatic relations as the Equatorial Guinean ambassador in Cairo is accredited to "Palestine". Perhaps Palestine is absent from your 2021 document because it simply didn't have an ambassador stationed there at the time. Semsûrî ( talk) 21:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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CHANGE Norway's position from "do not recognize" do "recognize". Per a government press conference at the 22nd of May 2024, at 08:30 (ETC +1), Prime minister Gahr Støre announced the government will formally recognize the state of Palestine, starting on tuesday the 28th of May 2024.
SOURCE: https://www.nrk.no/urix/noreg-anerkjenner-palestina-1.16891635 Argonikon ( talk) 06:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Change map of recognition. Remove Czech Republic from list of state which recognize Palestina as a state.
According to Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Czech Republic. Czech Republic doesn't recognize Palestine as a state. The map is wrong.
Czech: "K uznání palestinského státu ze strany ČR tak prozatím nedošlo" Translation: "So far, there has been no recognition of the Palestinian state by the Czech Republic" Jirik Kolarik ( talk) 09:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
101. The Chamber notes that, in the context of the present proceedings, seven States Parties submitted observations on the Prosecutor’s Request as amici curiae thereby arguing that Palestine cannot be considered a State for the purposes of article 12(2)(a) of the Statute, namely the Czech Republic, Austria, Australia, Hungary, Germany, Brazil and Uganda. However, it should be noted that these States remained silent during the accession process and that none of them challenged Palestine’s accession before the Assembly of State Parties at that time or later.(page 45). That would also mean that of our recognition list, also Brazil, Hungary and Uganda don't recognise Palestine as a state. Do we have any sources about these countries?
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Before May 2024, all major states, whether recognizing or not, had a blurb about their position. While Spain & Ireland & Norway may take a few weeks to formalize their newly announced positions, their old blurbs should be restored & one or two new sentences can be added to reflect the new information that has come out on May 22 2024 (today!!).
This may be obvious, but Spain, Ireland and Norway should not be listed in the plain "not recognizing" sub-section. (Currently these 3 nations are just not listed at all, which is weird.) They should probably be listed under a new subsection called "Recognition announced (May 2024)" or "Recognition pending (May 2024)" or some other similar, reasonable, concise phrase.
I am not gonna complete this task myself today, but if someone doesn't sort if out in the next 48 hours, I'll be back to take another look soon. skak E L 15:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
So I recently found a link to the official website of the Palestinian mfa that lists the countries that have recognized Palestine as a state by date (though for some reason Ireland, Norway and Spain are already listed despite it not being effective until next Tuesday but that's not the topic at hand). One thing that I immediately saw was Iran being listed as the first country to do so, but their date (4 February 1988) predates the Palestinian Declaration of Independence's date so that's why they are listed as 4 February 1989 in this article. Any opinions on this? Underdwarf58 ( talk) 10:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
I don't know who started the rumour Mexico recognises Palestine as a sovereign state, but it's false.
Today, May 24 (2024), the current President of Mexico has declared that his government is still considering (via the Mexican Secretariat of Foreign Affairs) if Mexico should officially recognise Palestine as an independent and sovereign state (or not). Here are the sources (in Spanish, his own words):
- https://www.milenio.com/politica/sre-analiza-si-reconoce-a-palestina-como-estado-dice-amlo
The State of Palestine has an embassy in Mexico City, but this was a unilateral move from Ramallah (considered as such by the current Mexican Secretariat of Foreign Affairs last year). Again, the source in Spanish (where the Mexican Secretariat of Foreign Affairs also states that MEXICO DOES NOT RECOGNISE THE STATE OF PALESTINE even if both countries have good diplomatic relationships):
- https://www.jornada.com.mx/notas/2023/06/04/politica/abrir-legacion-de-palestina-decision-unilateral-sre/ Aleqc ( talk) 18:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
It's unclear whether Mexico was involvedI don't think we can assume that Mexico had any direct involvement with that, although I don't think we can assume that SoP just made it up, either, possibly some misunderstandings somewhere along the line, we just don't know. Selfstudier ( talk) 11:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
To this date and hour, Spain has officially recognized Palestine, even with prime minister Sanchez publicly announcing it, but this article still doesn't get updated. 79.117.67.55 ( talk) 08:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Spain, Norway and Ireland formally recognize a Palestinian state as EU rift with Israel widens (AP) Selfstudier ( talk) 11:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
So what should we do with the diplomatic list section of the table? The PLO has missions in Norway and Ireland but they are not considered embassies of the State of Palestine (so far). Ireland uses Palestinian mission [11], Norway uses the term Palestinian (Liberation Organization) mission [12], while its diplomatic mission of Palestine for Spain [13]. Any thoughts? Semsûrî ( talk) 14:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Just giving you a heads up. It is expected that tomorrow, the government of Slovenia will discuss a proposal to recognize Palestine to the country's legislative body for approval. Underdwarf58 ( talk) 11:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
It appears their 1988 declaration only acknowledged Palestine's "right to a state", rather than giving official diplomatic recognition, which has yet to occur. [1] Culloty82 ( talk) 12:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
There is incorrect information in the article. The Czech Republic have not recognised State of Palestine. I enclose the latest official response to this question from Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic: [14] . There is unequivocal consensus and no Czech official says it has recognised it - I also enclose czech well-respected news where they discussed if the Czech Republic is planning to recognise State of Palestine in the future: [15].
The mistake probably stems from the fact, that in 1988 the Czechoslovakia recognised it but this country dissolved in 1992 into 2 countries and one of them is the Czech Republic which has not (and still do not) recognized State of Palestine. The Czech Republic rejects the 1988 declaration as it was accepted under communist rule and has no effect on present country Czech Republic. It is also freely verifiable through literally whichever UN resolution concerning Palestine - the Czech Republic is always against it. For example here: [16] R4Z0 ( talk) 12:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Spain, Ireland and Norway recognize a Palestinian state. Why does that matter? (AP) confirms that Slovakia took a different path, "Slovakia’s Foreign Ministry says that the two sides confirmed their mutual recognition when Slovakia was becoming independent in 1992-93, and that the Palestinian state has a fully functioning embassy in Bratislava since 2006." Czech also has an embassy, slightly odd position, diplomatic relations yes but state recognition, no. In effect Czech has unrecognized Palestine and should be removed from the list. Selfstudier ( talk) 14:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
I don't believe that the category of "states that have announced their impending recognition of the State of Palestine" is really that relevant or useful. States are not recognizing the State of Palestine often enough for that category to be useful. By the time Slovenia recognizes Palestine, the category will become unused. However, there is another category that I believe is more useful. Many states have passed resolutions, bills, or motions calling on their respective government to recognize the State of Palestine, such as the United Kingdom or France. Although I don't believe this category is very useful either, it is more useful than the category of "states that have announced their impending recognition of the State of Palestine" and I believe it gives a bit more understanding on the positions of states in regard to recognition of the State of Palestine. CheezyCheddar ( talk) 20:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Mexico should be green and the first North American country to recognize Palestine 73.106.16.53 ( talk) 22:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Quite clearly: https://x.com/mzez_rs/status/1798081688343548163?s=48&t=kJLyaI6hau_cAdPQ04TQfQ 2A00:A041:3B9A:AC00:D172:9D2:443E:61B ( talk) 20:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Just checking that after all the conversations and goings on, we have settled at 144. All agree? Selfstudier ( talk) 11:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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This 9 April letter lists 140 countries, including Mexico and the Holy See. The latter is an observer state, so 139 if we include Mexico.
Adding Barbados and Trinidad and Tobago since then gives 141.
Can we agree on this figure? Selfstudier ( talk) 11:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Can someone fact check whether or not Mexico recognised Palestine as a sovereign state? Qhairun ( talk) 13:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps worth mentioning in the non-recognition infoboxes for Ireland, Spain, Malta and Slovenia for now, before adding them to the recognising nations when the announcement is formally made? [1] Culloty82 ( talk) 11:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
additional UN rights given by the resolution are noted here. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/05/1149596 At this time, I haven't been able to identify the voting record, but imagine that will be available on the UN's website shortly. Gregory5796 ( talk) 16:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
The votes Selfstudier ( talk) 19:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi @ Kashmiri, This document [4] from 2019 indicates diplomatic relations as the Equatorial Guinean ambassador in Cairo is accredited to "Palestine". Perhaps Palestine is absent from your 2021 document because it simply didn't have an ambassador stationed there at the time. Semsûrî ( talk) 21:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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CHANGE Norway's position from "do not recognize" do "recognize". Per a government press conference at the 22nd of May 2024, at 08:30 (ETC +1), Prime minister Gahr Støre announced the government will formally recognize the state of Palestine, starting on tuesday the 28th of May 2024.
SOURCE: https://www.nrk.no/urix/noreg-anerkjenner-palestina-1.16891635 Argonikon ( talk) 06:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hi,
Change map of recognition. Remove Czech Republic from list of state which recognize Palestina as a state.
According to Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Czech Republic. Czech Republic doesn't recognize Palestine as a state. The map is wrong.
Czech: "K uznání palestinského státu ze strany ČR tak prozatím nedošlo" Translation: "So far, there has been no recognition of the Palestinian state by the Czech Republic" Jirik Kolarik ( talk) 09:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
101. The Chamber notes that, in the context of the present proceedings, seven States Parties submitted observations on the Prosecutor’s Request as amici curiae thereby arguing that Palestine cannot be considered a State for the purposes of article 12(2)(a) of the Statute, namely the Czech Republic, Austria, Australia, Hungary, Germany, Brazil and Uganda. However, it should be noted that these States remained silent during the accession process and that none of them challenged Palestine’s accession before the Assembly of State Parties at that time or later.(page 45). That would also mean that of our recognition list, also Brazil, Hungary and Uganda don't recognise Palestine as a state. Do we have any sources about these countries?
References
Before May 2024, all major states, whether recognizing or not, had a blurb about their position. While Spain & Ireland & Norway may take a few weeks to formalize their newly announced positions, their old blurbs should be restored & one or two new sentences can be added to reflect the new information that has come out on May 22 2024 (today!!).
This may be obvious, but Spain, Ireland and Norway should not be listed in the plain "not recognizing" sub-section. (Currently these 3 nations are just not listed at all, which is weird.) They should probably be listed under a new subsection called "Recognition announced (May 2024)" or "Recognition pending (May 2024)" or some other similar, reasonable, concise phrase.
I am not gonna complete this task myself today, but if someone doesn't sort if out in the next 48 hours, I'll be back to take another look soon. skak E L 15:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
So I recently found a link to the official website of the Palestinian mfa that lists the countries that have recognized Palestine as a state by date (though for some reason Ireland, Norway and Spain are already listed despite it not being effective until next Tuesday but that's not the topic at hand). One thing that I immediately saw was Iran being listed as the first country to do so, but their date (4 February 1988) predates the Palestinian Declaration of Independence's date so that's why they are listed as 4 February 1989 in this article. Any opinions on this? Underdwarf58 ( talk) 10:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
I don't know who started the rumour Mexico recognises Palestine as a sovereign state, but it's false.
Today, May 24 (2024), the current President of Mexico has declared that his government is still considering (via the Mexican Secretariat of Foreign Affairs) if Mexico should officially recognise Palestine as an independent and sovereign state (or not). Here are the sources (in Spanish, his own words):
- https://www.milenio.com/politica/sre-analiza-si-reconoce-a-palestina-como-estado-dice-amlo
The State of Palestine has an embassy in Mexico City, but this was a unilateral move from Ramallah (considered as such by the current Mexican Secretariat of Foreign Affairs last year). Again, the source in Spanish (where the Mexican Secretariat of Foreign Affairs also states that MEXICO DOES NOT RECOGNISE THE STATE OF PALESTINE even if both countries have good diplomatic relationships):
- https://www.jornada.com.mx/notas/2023/06/04/politica/abrir-legacion-de-palestina-decision-unilateral-sre/ Aleqc ( talk) 18:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
It's unclear whether Mexico was involvedI don't think we can assume that Mexico had any direct involvement with that, although I don't think we can assume that SoP just made it up, either, possibly some misunderstandings somewhere along the line, we just don't know. Selfstudier ( talk) 11:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
To this date and hour, Spain has officially recognized Palestine, even with prime minister Sanchez publicly announcing it, but this article still doesn't get updated. 79.117.67.55 ( talk) 08:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Spain, Norway and Ireland formally recognize a Palestinian state as EU rift with Israel widens (AP) Selfstudier ( talk) 11:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
So what should we do with the diplomatic list section of the table? The PLO has missions in Norway and Ireland but they are not considered embassies of the State of Palestine (so far). Ireland uses Palestinian mission [11], Norway uses the term Palestinian (Liberation Organization) mission [12], while its diplomatic mission of Palestine for Spain [13]. Any thoughts? Semsûrî ( talk) 14:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Just giving you a heads up. It is expected that tomorrow, the government of Slovenia will discuss a proposal to recognize Palestine to the country's legislative body for approval. Underdwarf58 ( talk) 11:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
It appears their 1988 declaration only acknowledged Palestine's "right to a state", rather than giving official diplomatic recognition, which has yet to occur. [1] Culloty82 ( talk) 12:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
There is incorrect information in the article. The Czech Republic have not recognised State of Palestine. I enclose the latest official response to this question from Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic: [14] . There is unequivocal consensus and no Czech official says it has recognised it - I also enclose czech well-respected news where they discussed if the Czech Republic is planning to recognise State of Palestine in the future: [15].
The mistake probably stems from the fact, that in 1988 the Czechoslovakia recognised it but this country dissolved in 1992 into 2 countries and one of them is the Czech Republic which has not (and still do not) recognized State of Palestine. The Czech Republic rejects the 1988 declaration as it was accepted under communist rule and has no effect on present country Czech Republic. It is also freely verifiable through literally whichever UN resolution concerning Palestine - the Czech Republic is always against it. For example here: [16] R4Z0 ( talk) 12:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Spain, Ireland and Norway recognize a Palestinian state. Why does that matter? (AP) confirms that Slovakia took a different path, "Slovakia’s Foreign Ministry says that the two sides confirmed their mutual recognition when Slovakia was becoming independent in 1992-93, and that the Palestinian state has a fully functioning embassy in Bratislava since 2006." Czech also has an embassy, slightly odd position, diplomatic relations yes but state recognition, no. In effect Czech has unrecognized Palestine and should be removed from the list. Selfstudier ( talk) 14:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
I don't believe that the category of "states that have announced their impending recognition of the State of Palestine" is really that relevant or useful. States are not recognizing the State of Palestine often enough for that category to be useful. By the time Slovenia recognizes Palestine, the category will become unused. However, there is another category that I believe is more useful. Many states have passed resolutions, bills, or motions calling on their respective government to recognize the State of Palestine, such as the United Kingdom or France. Although I don't believe this category is very useful either, it is more useful than the category of "states that have announced their impending recognition of the State of Palestine" and I believe it gives a bit more understanding on the positions of states in regard to recognition of the State of Palestine. CheezyCheddar ( talk) 20:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Mexico should be green and the first North American country to recognize Palestine 73.106.16.53 ( talk) 22:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Quite clearly: https://x.com/mzez_rs/status/1798081688343548163?s=48&t=kJLyaI6hau_cAdPQ04TQfQ 2A00:A041:3B9A:AC00:D172:9D2:443E:61B ( talk) 20:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Just checking that after all the conversations and goings on, we have settled at 144. All agree? Selfstudier ( talk) 11:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)