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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the International Dunhuang Project has made over a quarter of a million images of
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Adding Images
I'd like to add some images to the notable items table. As I work for the project I realise this might be contentious. Does anyone have a strong opinion?
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Initial peer review
(Responding to a request for feedback) My impressions are that the article meets the
WP:GA? criteria (beautifully laid out, everything is sourced, nice use of images, prose well written) but would be criticised for heavy dependence on the IDP website. I have run the following journal/book search and turned up a number of areas that could potentially be cited as applications of the IDP or reviews of it. With a handful of such independent sources added I think this article should definitely be ready for a GA nomination and easily fly through.
If you don't have access to the full JSTOR or Scopus document, send me the link by email and I can let you have the PDF for research.
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Title The Future of Libraries and Humanities Research: New Strategic Directions for the British Library
Author Lynne Brindley
Citation Libraries & Culture, Vol. 37, No. 1, The Infinite Library pp. 26-36
Year 2002
Abstract The new chief executive officer of the British Library surveys the new directions for research in the humanities that are both under way and projected. Digital applications and collaborative partnerships are key elements.
Copyright Copyright 2002 University of Texas Press
Resource FRANCIS
Title A database for cataloguing Chinese and Central Asian manuscripts, the International Dunhuang Project
Author WHITFIELD, S.
Add.Author / Editor Carpenter, Leona, Editor
Add.Author / Editor Shaw, Simon, Editor
Add.Author / Editor Prescott, Andrew, Editor
Year
Abstract Prsentation du projet international Dunhuang dont l'objectif est de raliser une base de donnes pour cataloguer des manuscrits chinois et d'Asie centrale rpartis entre les bibliothques nationales de Chine, de France et de Grande-Bretagne et l'Institut des Etudes orientales de Saint Ptersbourg
Subject Database; Full text
Subject Digitizing; Project; Book; Coding; Transliteration; Chinese; Hand writing; Manuscript document; Base donne; Base dato
Subject Translittration; Transcripcin; Chinois; Chino; Ecriture; Escritura manual; Document manuscrit; Documento manuscrito; Documents et information secondaires et tertiaires. Secondary and tertiary information and documents.; SCIENCES DE L'INFORMATION. DOCUMENTATION. INFORMATION SCIENCE. DOCUMENTATION.
Subject 790 SCIENCES DE L'INFORMATION ET DE LA COMMUNICATION INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION SCIENCES; 790V SOURCES D'INFORMATION SPECIALISEE. SPECIALIZED INFORMATION SOURCES.
Imprint : Beijing; Beijing tu shu guan chu ban she; 2007 , 2005.
Language Chinese
Meeting International Dunhuang Project; Tradition and innovation Conservation conference; 6th Beijing 2005
Resource Intute
Title Archaeological computing laboratory, University of Sydney / Sweeney, Jesse (Programmer), Archaeological Computing Laboratory; MacCarthy, Rory (Designer), Archaeological Computing Laboratory; Evans, Damien (Designer), Archaeological Computing Laboratory; Johnson, Ian (Author), School of Archaeology, University of Sydney; Wilson, Andrew (Author), Lancaster University
Author Sweeney, Jesse (Programmer), Archaeological Computing Laboratory; MacCarthy, Rory (Designer), Archaeological Computing Laboratory; Evans, Damien (Designer), Archaeological Computing Laboratory; Johnson, Ian (Author), School of Archaeology, University of Sydney; Wilson, Andrew (Author), Lancaster University
Abstract The Archaeological Computing Laboratory (ACL), based at the University of Sydney, provides IT support for the university's archaeological staff and students, handling everything from word processing to GIS analysis. Its areas of expertise include CD-ROM and paper-based publications, instructional and database-driven website designs and computer-based mapping of historical data. Sydney University's leading GIS software company, ESRI (Environmental Systems Research
Institute Inc.), is also maintained by the ACL.The ACL is also heavily involved in specific research projects, including the Sydney TimeMap project: an attempt to present the history and archaeology of Sydney in an innovative, entertaining and interactive way while at the same time creating a scholastically valuable resource. Other projects include research into Urban Angkor and The International Dunhuang Project. Details and reports from each of the projects are
Meeting Chung-Hwa International Conference on Buddhism; The role of Buddhism in the 21st century 4th 2002
Resource MLA International Bibliography
Title IDP: International Dunhuang Project
Author Whitfield, Susan (director)
Citation British Library; National Library of China; Dunhuang Academy; Institute of Oriental Studies, St. Petersburg; Ryukoku University; Berlin-Brandenburg Academy of Sciences and Humanities, 2008.
Year 2008
Subject Specific Literature: Asian literature; Time Period: 100-1399; Other Terms: (on) manuscripts; Other Terms: (relationship to) Silk Road; Folklore: material culture
Subject Folklore: folk art; Place: Asia; Other Terms: (relationship to) Silk Road
Note New Edition
Note Electronic resource.
Type website
Language Chinese; English; German; Japanese; Russian
Resource Intute
Title International Dunhuang project / Hampson, Kate (Associated), British Library; Kaye, Michael (Programmer); Kaczmarek, Piotr (Designer), Dynamic Designs; Whitfield, Susan (Project Director); Swift, Vic (Designer)
Author Hampson, Kate (Associated), British Library; Kaye, Michael (Programmer); Kaczmarek, Piotr (Designer), Dynamic Designs; Whitfield, Susan (Project Director); Swift, Vic (Designer)
Abstract The International Dunhuang Project (IDP), based at the British Library, is a significant international collaboration that is carrying out research on over 100,000 manuscripts, artefacts, and paintings from Dunhuang and other Silk Road sites. The project is placing these textual and image resources on the Internet, together with information on their provenance, history, and cultural context; it is a work in progress and the resulting database is not expected to be
completed for several years. Several international partners are co-operating, and this is resulting in a lack of uniformity in the database, as well as in the use of specific languages for collections of records in the database. The website is aimed at both the layman and the specialist. By providing bibliographies, maps, photographs, site plans, and contemporary images, it provides a wonderful insight into life on the Silk Road during the first millennium AD. The
IDP bibliography consists of around 10,000 items. There is a
Abstract lso a list of the project's own publications, and an IDP Newsletter. There is an excellent map section and a manuscript search facility which enables both simple and quite sophisticated subject searches. Images of the search results are displayed along with metadata about the objects. "My Space" is a feature enabling a record to be kept of the reader's personal searches and information. There are also links to special topics such as: Chinese bookbinding; Buddhism
in Central Asia; and an account of Sir Aurel Stein's dogs and travelling companions. The website provides comprehensive information about: the sponsors of the project; its objectives; its activities in conservation and digitisation; and other aspects of the project, both educational and practical. Most available information focuses on manuscripts and textual information, but there is also considerable information of archaeological value: the database contains both
pictures of artefacts and historical pictures of excavations. T
Abstract he website is easy to navigate and provides a contact form for feedback.
The project received funding from the Arts and Humanities Research Board (now the AHRC) within the Resource Enhancement scheme, and from a number of other institutions and individuals.
Subject International Dunhuang Project; manuscripts; Dunhuang; collections; research (function); digital images; paintings; Asian coins; artifacts; murals
Subject Caractristiques techniques. Technical characteristics.; SCIENCES DE L'INFORMATION. DOCUMENTATION. INFORMATION SCIENCE. DOCUMENTATION.; 790 SCIENCES DE L'INFORMATION ET DE LA COMMUNICATION INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION SCIENCES; 790VIII TECHNOLOGIE DE LA COMMUNICATION ET DE L'INFORMATION. INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGIES.
ISSN 0949-5770
Note INIST-CNRS : 15520
Bibliogr. 8 ref.
Type Article
Biograph. note The International Dunhuang Project, The British Library, 197 Blackfriars Road, London SE1 8NG, GBR
Title The virtual Silk Road (The International Dunhuang Project, an interactive web data base of manuscripts)
Author Brysac, SB
Citation ARCHAEOLOGY 53 (4): 72-74 JUL-AUG 2000
Year 2000
ISSN 0003-8113
IDNumber 328KV
Imprint ARCHAEOLOGICAL INST
Address 135 WILLIAM ST, NEW YORK, NY 10038-3805 USA
Type Article
Language English
Resource Intute
Title Diamond Sutra / British Library Board (Copyright Holder); Wight, Colin (Author); Whitfield, Susan (Project Director), British Library
Author British Library Board (Copyright Holder); Wight, Colin (Author); Whitfield, Susan (Project Director), British Library
Abstract
The Diamond Sutra Web page, published by the British Library, contains essential information about and a digital version of the Diamond Sutra (in Sanskrit, the Vajracchedikā Prajñāpāramitā Sutra from the Sūtrapiṭaka of the Tripiṭaka). Created in 868 CE, the work is the earliest complete dated printed book in existence. It was found hidden in the Dunhuang caves in China in 1907. The actual book is formed by "seven
strips of yellow-stained paper printed from carved wooden blocks and pasted together to form a scroll over 5m long". The Chinese text translates the teachings of the Buddha, which had reached China from India following the Silk Road. The book is now conserved at the British Library, which also publishes research and educational resources on the International Dunhuang Project (IDP) and the Silk Road.
The Turning the Pages edition of the Diamond Sutra is
available in different formats according to the hardware and software capabilities of the computer accessing the resource. In the most advanced version, there is a short audio introductory note and it is possible to read the book as it was originally intended, scrolling the text from left to right. There is no translation. An audio file and transcript of the Dunhuang Project Director Dr Susan Whitfield talking about the Diamond Sutra is also available. This
Resource will interest anybody researching the history of printing and Buddhist influences into China.
Title Silk road : treasures of the silk road / The British Museum (Copyright Holder)
Author The British Museum (Copyright Holder)
Abstract The website "The British Museum: Treasures of the Silk Road" makes available a remarkable collection of images taken from the British Museum's holdings of Buddhist paintings from the Caves of the Thousand Buddhas at Dunhuang, China. The town is on the Silk Road, and the caves were carved by monks into the hillside over the millennium after the fourth century CE. In the eleventh century CE, an archive of over 50,000 documents, paintings and textiles was hidden in
one of the caves. This was rediscovered in 1900 and material from the caves can now be found in several institutions around the world, including the British Museum. This website therefore provides access to an extraordinarily rich visual archive of material relating to Buddhism in China during the heyday of the Silk Road, and will be enjoyed by all those with an interest in this and in Chinese art. The collection may be searched by simple keyword or using the
advanced search form. Search tips are included. The archive can also be browsed using the following categories: paintings and drawings; prints; textiles; Buddha; Bodhisattva; Sutra; and Paradise. Results are presented as lists. Each item is accompanied by a descriptive text providing information about the item, and each item image can be viewed in detail using zoom and pan functions. The viewing window is small, which means that not a great deal of the image can be
seen at any one time. This can be frustrating. However, the images are of high quality. The site includes a map showing the location of Dunhuang on the Silk Road route, and a brief account of the history of the caves and the discovery of the archive of paintings. It also includes a list of links to other resources about the Dunhuang paintings and their digital preservation, such as the British Library's International Dunhuang Project and the Mellon International
Dunhuang Archive.
Subject Dunhuang, Gansu, Zonghua, Asia; British Museum
Subject Silk Road; paintings; banners; Buddhist concepts; online exhibitions; artefacts database; Buddha iconography; Chinese art; Bodhisattva
Note Collections
Note Images
Note Museums
Imprint : The British Museum (Publisher); Andrew W. Mellon Foundation (Funder)
Title The British Library Initiatives for Access seminar : digital imaging : British Library treasures
Author ALEXANDER, M.
Citation
Citation Information services & use v16 n3-4 (1996) p165-173
Year 1996
Abstract Cet article est une vue d'ensemble du sminaire organis par la British Library concernant le programme Initiatives for Access. Plusieurs projets utilisant les technologies de l'imagerie numrique mis en place au Royaume-Uni sont prsents : la numrisation de microfilms ; le Beowulf lectronique ; le systme de visionnage de photographies lectronique ; le trsor de St. Pancras ; Excalibur EFS ; le projet international Dunhuang
Subject Digitizing; Library; Microfilm
Subject Old structure; Photographic document; Information access; Information storage; Document preservation; Project; Virtual library; Information technology; United Kingdom; Europe
Subject Acceso informacin; Stockage information; Almacenamiento informacin; Conservation document; Conservacin documento; Projet; Proyecto; British Library; The Electronic Beowulf; St. Pancras Treasures
Subject Excalibur EFS; International Dunhuang Project; Bibliothque virtuelle; Technologie information; Tecnologa informacin; Royaume Uni; Reino Unido; Europe; Europa; Conservation. Stockage. Preservation. Storage.
Subject SCIENCES DE L'INFORMATION. DOCUMENTATION. INFORMATION SCIENCE. DOCUMENTATION.; 790 SCIENCES DE L'INFORMATION ET DE LA COMMUNICATION INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION SCIENCES; 790III GESTION DES SERVICES D'INFORMATION. INFORMATION SERVICE MANAGEMENT.
ISSN 0167-5265
Note INIST-CNRS : 19363
Bibliogr. 4 ref.
Type Article
Biograph. note Information Systems, British Library, Boston Spa, Wetherby, West Yorkshire LS23 7BQ, GBR
Description ix, 358 p., [8] p. of plates ill. (some col.) 24 cm.
Series British Library studies in conservation science , 3
Bibliogr. Includes bibliographical references and index.
Resource UCL Library catalogue (eUCLid)
Title Dunhuang and Turfan : contents and conservation of ancient documents from Central Asia / edited by Susan Whitfield and Frances Wood.
Add.Author / Editor Whitfield, Susan , 1960-
Add.Author / Editor Wood, Frances , 1948-
Corp.Author British Library.
Corp.Author Preservation of Material from Cave 17 (Conference), University of Sussex), (1993
Year 1996
Subject International Dunhuang Project.; Manuscripts Conservation and restoration Asia, Central Congresses.; Asia, Central Archival resources Congresses.
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have
fair use rationales:
B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with
suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Reviewer notes:
The license on the infobox image fails Public Domain standards. While having both a copyright license AND a public domain license may pass criteria for usage on Wikimedia Commons (which I doubt) it does not meet criteria for use in a GA article on Wikipedia. Either it is...or it is not. At this time the conflicting license tagging leaves the reviewer no choice but to fail the image itself. If the image is copyrighted than its need a full "Fair Use" rational. If it is in the public Domain, verification is required as the source is linked directly to the refence website. This reviewer has an understanding of copyright and fair use. According to UK copyright law: Names, titles, short phrases and colours are not generally considered unique or substantial enough to be covered, but a creation, such as a logo, that combines these elements may be. Placement, sizing, color, dropshadow, gradient fill and font choice are all design elements that require work by an individual. The "Logo" clearly is not a simple plain text title but indeed contains artistic "choices" regardles of opinion of the uploader. While the company may or may not claim copyright the artist may. A clear disclaimer by the owners is required to set public domain of any image younger than 70 years.
I disagree. The logo has no original artwork, but is just a combination of text and a public domain image. According to my interpretation of Commons guidelines it would not meet the criteria for copyright protection.
BabelStone (
talk) 11:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)reply
You cannot interpret past Copyright. Your interpretation is not the basis of the review, but the visual examination of the actual work. As stated above, it meets criteria for copyright status based on the facts. This is actualy part of the basis for my claim of bias. I mean you no insult or disrespect, so I apologise if you feel slighted. It is not my intention.--
Amadscientist (
talk) 06:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I don't feel slighted or offended -- copyright is a very tricky business, and I may well be wrong in my interpretation. Would you be so kind as to nominate the image for deletion on Commons, and then we can see what the copyright gurus have to say. If it is deleted, then I will consider uploading to Wikipedia with a fair usage rationale.
BabelStone (
talk) 12:38, 7 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I uploaded the file to Commons in good faith in the belief that the logo does not meet the threshold of originality for copyright, but given your concerns I have now proposed it for deletion to see what the community consensus is. I have also reviewed the copyright status of the other images used in the article, and realised that
File:Aurel Stein’s 1907 view of Mogao Cave 16, with a portion.jpg is mistagged and probably still in copyright, so I have removed that image from the article and proposed it for deletion.
BabelStone (
talk) 07:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)reply
The article has few references. It relies heavily on one source. While an attempt has been made to add to references, at this time the artlicle still contains too few references even after a peer review stated clearly that they had indeed found more. For this size article I would expect less dependence on the official website.
I agree that it does have an overreliance on the IDP site as a source. This is because there seem to be no reliable 3rd party sources that provide useful and detailed information about the activities of the IDP. However, the section on the collections could be augmented with references from other sources relating to the collecting activities of Stein, Pelliot, Kozlov, Otani, etc.
BabelStone (
talk) 11:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I have tried to address your concerns by adding some more references from different sources. Note that I used those sources that the peer review found where possible, but almost all of the sources found with the search were unusable because they merely mentioned the IDP in passing and gave no useful information, or were unavailable to me, or were writen by IDP staff.
BabelStone (
talk) 08:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I feel the article is not a fair representation and may indeed contain bias from overuse of the official website. More outside publications to keep the article from be merely a pamphlet.
It is hard to imagine what bias there could be in an article that is mostly factual. Perhaps you are suggesting that the IDP is lying about how many images it has digitised, and we should not rely on their count -- but what other source could we rely on? -- any journalistic source will just be repeating what the IDP has told them.
BabelStone (
talk) 11:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)reply
It would be useful if you could give some specific examples of perceived bias or unfair representation. I have tried to add some more 3rd party sources as you requested, but there are very few 3rd party sources that give any useful information about the IDP, and many details of the IDP project can only be sourced to the IDP web site or the IDP Newsletter. In this respect I think the article is similar to the
British Library article (which recently achieved GA status), which also, of necessity, heavily references the British Library web site.
BabelStone (
talk) 08:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)reply
The last edit on the article was Febuary 6, 2011. No work has been attempted on the article in nearly a month. It is the belief of the reviewer that the amount of research needed to bring up to GA standard is likely to take longer than a 7 day hold would permit, Therefore I am failing the article for GA at this time.
What is the relevance that the article has not been edited for a month? I stopped actively editing when I submitted it for GA review as it was then at a state that I thought was ready for GA review, and I would be able to further improve and modify the article in the light of the GA review. I think that quick failing this article just in order to reduce the GAN backlog is a little harsh, as your only criticism of it seems to be that it needs a wider range of sources for references, which is surely something that could easily be addressed in a week if any such sources existed. However, as I have been unable to find any useful 3rd party sources that discuss the IDP in the requisite detail, it would be impossible to address your concerns, so I am not going to argue the point. I am personally satisfied that this is a good article, but if it does not meet all the GA criteria, so be it.
BabelStone (
talk) 11:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)reply
When an article is nominated and no further work is done on the article by the single editor working on it, it shows, at the very least, that the editor has made a decision that goes against the spirit of Wikipedia, that no article is ever "Finished". While it is true, much of the article is good, the overriding issue to fail was lack of further input and a perception of bais TOWARDS the subject. Your response in anger at both my review decision and my complience to wikipedia MoS and Wikimedia Commons policy doesn't make me feel the decision was incorrect. Misinterpreting "Quick Fail" is but one illustration to your misunderstanding guidelines. None of the criteria for quick fail was used. I read the article, left notes and made a decision. I can only say that your lack of interest in making any of the needed changes satisfies my opinion that this would have not been worked out in a hold period. It isn't that there was so much work that it could not be done, simply that I saw nothing to indicate that it would be. You must understand one thing, if nothing else. It is not required to place a hold to either pass or fail a GA nomination.--
Amadscientist (
talk) 06:31, 7 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I am not angry at all, and I apologise if any of my comments seemed uncivil to you; I am simply disappointed that you failed the article without giving me time to attempt to address your concerns. I do not know why you would take my disagreement with you over the copyright status of the IDP logo as a sign of anger -- it is merely a sign of disagreement between two editors on a particular issue, and I am quite happy to abide by community consensus if that is that the logo should be deleted from Commons. Nor am I angry with your "complience to wikipedia MoS" (is there anywhere where the article does not comply to the MoS? -- you have checked that box); and I agree with you that the article's over reliance on the IDP web site as a source is unsatisfactory, and I hope to address that over the next day or two.
BabelStone (
talk) 14:25, 7 March 2011 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your response. I am sure you have the best interest of the article at heart and look forward to seeing it eventualy make it to GA. The image in question is not compliant to MoS in regards to proper license. It is the opinion of the reviewer that the logo does meet legal requirements for Copyright as mentioned. This is not likely to be resolved within a hold period. It could be deleted from Commons (eventualy this may be the case) and then uploaded to Wikipedia as "Fair Use' following MoS guidelines for such use. This is common of wiki. The over use of the official website also raises some COI concerns: COI editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote your own interests or those of other individuals, companies, or groups.Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. This is certainly not to say that you have any conflict of interests. Indeed, being an interested party makes you an ideal editor to improve the article. It is just a question of how much is too much.
Wikipedia:Neutral point of view also states: "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view. NPOV is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia and of other Wikimedia projects. This policy is non-negotiable and all editors and articles must follow it." It also states: "Due and undue weight = Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint. Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight means that articles should not give minority views as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views.--
Amadscientist (
talk) 02:46, 9 March 2011 (UTC)reply
Just for the record, I do not have (and never have had) any affiliation with the IDP, the British Library or any of the other participating institutes, and created the article as part of the current
British Library - Wikipedia collaboration effort because I have a personal research interest in some of the materials digitised by the IDP. I am well aware of NPOV, and have never before been accused of violating this policy; and have certainly tried to be scrupulously neutral and unbiased in editing this article. But to be honest in order to be biased there has to be two divergent points of view, and I don't know what the two points of view are in this case. The IDP is an international collaboration between libraries to digitise and preserve manuscripts etc., and I don't think that there is any argument or controversy about what the aims and results of the project are, so I really I don't know what other points of view I should be trying represent in the article (the only sources with anything much to say about the IDP are the British Library or other participating institutes or their staff). I am not angry, just a little confused about where exactly you perceive non-neutral or biased points of view in the article. If you could point out (or tag in the article) specific areas of concern wrt bias or sourcing that you think need to be addressed it would be very helpful to me.
BabelStone (
talk) 08:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)reply
Notice from IDP
Thanks to everyone for the article on IDP and all the comments. For information, I am Director of IDP. A couple of comments that might help address some of issues discussed:
1. we are very happy for the logo to be posted - the artist/photographer works for IDP.
I am the aforementioned artist/photographer. I have changed the logo license to CC BY-SA 3.0. IDP is trying to make many more images available (including a better version of the Star Chart featured here) but please bear with us.
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talk) 18:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)reply
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Adding Images
I'd like to add some images to the notable items table. As I work for the project I realise this might be contentious. Does anyone have a strong opinion?
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Initial peer review
(Responding to a request for feedback) My impressions are that the article meets the
WP:GA? criteria (beautifully laid out, everything is sourced, nice use of images, prose well written) but would be criticised for heavy dependence on the IDP website. I have run the following journal/book search and turned up a number of areas that could potentially be cited as applications of the IDP or reviews of it. With a handful of such independent sources added I think this article should definitely be ready for a GA nomination and easily fly through.
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Results of a search for "International Dunhuang Project"
Title The Future of Libraries and Humanities Research: New Strategic Directions for the British Library
Author Lynne Brindley
Citation Libraries & Culture, Vol. 37, No. 1, The Infinite Library pp. 26-36
Year 2002
Abstract The new chief executive officer of the British Library surveys the new directions for research in the humanities that are both under way and projected. Digital applications and collaborative partnerships are key elements.
Copyright Copyright 2002 University of Texas Press
Resource FRANCIS
Title A database for cataloguing Chinese and Central Asian manuscripts, the International Dunhuang Project
Author WHITFIELD, S.
Add.Author / Editor Carpenter, Leona, Editor
Add.Author / Editor Shaw, Simon, Editor
Add.Author / Editor Prescott, Andrew, Editor
Year
Abstract Prsentation du projet international Dunhuang dont l'objectif est de raliser une base de donnes pour cataloguer des manuscrits chinois et d'Asie centrale rpartis entre les bibliothques nationales de Chine, de France et de Grande-Bretagne et l'Institut des Etudes orientales de Saint Ptersbourg
Subject Database; Full text
Subject Digitizing; Project; Book; Coding; Transliteration; Chinese; Hand writing; Manuscript document; Base donne; Base dato
Subject Translittration; Transcripcin; Chinois; Chino; Ecriture; Escritura manual; Document manuscrit; Documento manuscrito; Documents et information secondaires et tertiaires. Secondary and tertiary information and documents.; SCIENCES DE L'INFORMATION. DOCUMENTATION. INFORMATION SCIENCE. DOCUMENTATION.
Subject 790 SCIENCES DE L'INFORMATION ET DE LA COMMUNICATION INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION SCIENCES; 790V SOURCES D'INFORMATION SPECIALISEE. SPECIALIZED INFORMATION SOURCES.
Imprint : Beijing; Beijing tu shu guan chu ban she; 2007 , 2005.
Language Chinese
Meeting International Dunhuang Project; Tradition and innovation Conservation conference; 6th Beijing 2005
Resource Intute
Title Archaeological computing laboratory, University of Sydney / Sweeney, Jesse (Programmer), Archaeological Computing Laboratory; MacCarthy, Rory (Designer), Archaeological Computing Laboratory; Evans, Damien (Designer), Archaeological Computing Laboratory; Johnson, Ian (Author), School of Archaeology, University of Sydney; Wilson, Andrew (Author), Lancaster University
Author Sweeney, Jesse (Programmer), Archaeological Computing Laboratory; MacCarthy, Rory (Designer), Archaeological Computing Laboratory; Evans, Damien (Designer), Archaeological Computing Laboratory; Johnson, Ian (Author), School of Archaeology, University of Sydney; Wilson, Andrew (Author), Lancaster University
Abstract The Archaeological Computing Laboratory (ACL), based at the University of Sydney, provides IT support for the university's archaeological staff and students, handling everything from word processing to GIS analysis. Its areas of expertise include CD-ROM and paper-based publications, instructional and database-driven website designs and computer-based mapping of historical data. Sydney University's leading GIS software company, ESRI (Environmental Systems Research
Institute Inc.), is also maintained by the ACL.The ACL is also heavily involved in specific research projects, including the Sydney TimeMap project: an attempt to present the history and archaeology of Sydney in an innovative, entertaining and interactive way while at the same time creating a scholastically valuable resource. Other projects include research into Urban Angkor and The International Dunhuang Project. Details and reports from each of the projects are
Meeting Chung-Hwa International Conference on Buddhism; The role of Buddhism in the 21st century 4th 2002
Resource MLA International Bibliography
Title IDP: International Dunhuang Project
Author Whitfield, Susan (director)
Citation British Library; National Library of China; Dunhuang Academy; Institute of Oriental Studies, St. Petersburg; Ryukoku University; Berlin-Brandenburg Academy of Sciences and Humanities, 2008.
Year 2008
Subject Specific Literature: Asian literature; Time Period: 100-1399; Other Terms: (on) manuscripts; Other Terms: (relationship to) Silk Road; Folklore: material culture
Subject Folklore: folk art; Place: Asia; Other Terms: (relationship to) Silk Road
Note New Edition
Note Electronic resource.
Type website
Language Chinese; English; German; Japanese; Russian
Resource Intute
Title International Dunhuang project / Hampson, Kate (Associated), British Library; Kaye, Michael (Programmer); Kaczmarek, Piotr (Designer), Dynamic Designs; Whitfield, Susan (Project Director); Swift, Vic (Designer)
Author Hampson, Kate (Associated), British Library; Kaye, Michael (Programmer); Kaczmarek, Piotr (Designer), Dynamic Designs; Whitfield, Susan (Project Director); Swift, Vic (Designer)
Abstract The International Dunhuang Project (IDP), based at the British Library, is a significant international collaboration that is carrying out research on over 100,000 manuscripts, artefacts, and paintings from Dunhuang and other Silk Road sites. The project is placing these textual and image resources on the Internet, together with information on their provenance, history, and cultural context; it is a work in progress and the resulting database is not expected to be
completed for several years. Several international partners are co-operating, and this is resulting in a lack of uniformity in the database, as well as in the use of specific languages for collections of records in the database. The website is aimed at both the layman and the specialist. By providing bibliographies, maps, photographs, site plans, and contemporary images, it provides a wonderful insight into life on the Silk Road during the first millennium AD. The
IDP bibliography consists of around 10,000 items. There is a
Abstract lso a list of the project's own publications, and an IDP Newsletter. There is an excellent map section and a manuscript search facility which enables both simple and quite sophisticated subject searches. Images of the search results are displayed along with metadata about the objects. "My Space" is a feature enabling a record to be kept of the reader's personal searches and information. There are also links to special topics such as: Chinese bookbinding; Buddhism
in Central Asia; and an account of Sir Aurel Stein's dogs and travelling companions. The website provides comprehensive information about: the sponsors of the project; its objectives; its activities in conservation and digitisation; and other aspects of the project, both educational and practical. Most available information focuses on manuscripts and textual information, but there is also considerable information of archaeological value: the database contains both
pictures of artefacts and historical pictures of excavations. T
Abstract he website is easy to navigate and provides a contact form for feedback.
The project received funding from the Arts and Humanities Research Board (now the AHRC) within the Resource Enhancement scheme, and from a number of other institutions and individuals.
Subject International Dunhuang Project; manuscripts; Dunhuang; collections; research (function); digital images; paintings; Asian coins; artifacts; murals
Subject Caractristiques techniques. Technical characteristics.; SCIENCES DE L'INFORMATION. DOCUMENTATION. INFORMATION SCIENCE. DOCUMENTATION.; 790 SCIENCES DE L'INFORMATION ET DE LA COMMUNICATION INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION SCIENCES; 790VIII TECHNOLOGIE DE LA COMMUNICATION ET DE L'INFORMATION. INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGIES.
ISSN 0949-5770
Note INIST-CNRS : 15520
Bibliogr. 8 ref.
Type Article
Biograph. note The International Dunhuang Project, The British Library, 197 Blackfriars Road, London SE1 8NG, GBR
Title The virtual Silk Road (The International Dunhuang Project, an interactive web data base of manuscripts)
Author Brysac, SB
Citation ARCHAEOLOGY 53 (4): 72-74 JUL-AUG 2000
Year 2000
ISSN 0003-8113
IDNumber 328KV
Imprint ARCHAEOLOGICAL INST
Address 135 WILLIAM ST, NEW YORK, NY 10038-3805 USA
Type Article
Language English
Resource Intute
Title Diamond Sutra / British Library Board (Copyright Holder); Wight, Colin (Author); Whitfield, Susan (Project Director), British Library
Author British Library Board (Copyright Holder); Wight, Colin (Author); Whitfield, Susan (Project Director), British Library
Abstract
The Diamond Sutra Web page, published by the British Library, contains essential information about and a digital version of the Diamond Sutra (in Sanskrit, the Vajracchedikā Prajñāpāramitā Sutra from the Sūtrapiṭaka of the Tripiṭaka). Created in 868 CE, the work is the earliest complete dated printed book in existence. It was found hidden in the Dunhuang caves in China in 1907. The actual book is formed by "seven
strips of yellow-stained paper printed from carved wooden blocks and pasted together to form a scroll over 5m long". The Chinese text translates the teachings of the Buddha, which had reached China from India following the Silk Road. The book is now conserved at the British Library, which also publishes research and educational resources on the International Dunhuang Project (IDP) and the Silk Road.
The Turning the Pages edition of the Diamond Sutra is
available in different formats according to the hardware and software capabilities of the computer accessing the resource. In the most advanced version, there is a short audio introductory note and it is possible to read the book as it was originally intended, scrolling the text from left to right. There is no translation. An audio file and transcript of the Dunhuang Project Director Dr Susan Whitfield talking about the Diamond Sutra is also available. This
Resource will interest anybody researching the history of printing and Buddhist influences into China.
Title Silk road : treasures of the silk road / The British Museum (Copyright Holder)
Author The British Museum (Copyright Holder)
Abstract The website "The British Museum: Treasures of the Silk Road" makes available a remarkable collection of images taken from the British Museum's holdings of Buddhist paintings from the Caves of the Thousand Buddhas at Dunhuang, China. The town is on the Silk Road, and the caves were carved by monks into the hillside over the millennium after the fourth century CE. In the eleventh century CE, an archive of over 50,000 documents, paintings and textiles was hidden in
one of the caves. This was rediscovered in 1900 and material from the caves can now be found in several institutions around the world, including the British Museum. This website therefore provides access to an extraordinarily rich visual archive of material relating to Buddhism in China during the heyday of the Silk Road, and will be enjoyed by all those with an interest in this and in Chinese art. The collection may be searched by simple keyword or using the
advanced search form. Search tips are included. The archive can also be browsed using the following categories: paintings and drawings; prints; textiles; Buddha; Bodhisattva; Sutra; and Paradise. Results are presented as lists. Each item is accompanied by a descriptive text providing information about the item, and each item image can be viewed in detail using zoom and pan functions. The viewing window is small, which means that not a great deal of the image can be
seen at any one time. This can be frustrating. However, the images are of high quality. The site includes a map showing the location of Dunhuang on the Silk Road route, and a brief account of the history of the caves and the discovery of the archive of paintings. It also includes a list of links to other resources about the Dunhuang paintings and their digital preservation, such as the British Library's International Dunhuang Project and the Mellon International
Dunhuang Archive.
Subject Dunhuang, Gansu, Zonghua, Asia; British Museum
Subject Silk Road; paintings; banners; Buddhist concepts; online exhibitions; artefacts database; Buddha iconography; Chinese art; Bodhisattva
Note Collections
Note Images
Note Museums
Imprint : The British Museum (Publisher); Andrew W. Mellon Foundation (Funder)
Title The British Library Initiatives for Access seminar : digital imaging : British Library treasures
Author ALEXANDER, M.
Citation
Citation Information services & use v16 n3-4 (1996) p165-173
Year 1996
Abstract Cet article est une vue d'ensemble du sminaire organis par la British Library concernant le programme Initiatives for Access. Plusieurs projets utilisant les technologies de l'imagerie numrique mis en place au Royaume-Uni sont prsents : la numrisation de microfilms ; le Beowulf lectronique ; le systme de visionnage de photographies lectronique ; le trsor de St. Pancras ; Excalibur EFS ; le projet international Dunhuang
Subject Digitizing; Library; Microfilm
Subject Old structure; Photographic document; Information access; Information storage; Document preservation; Project; Virtual library; Information technology; United Kingdom; Europe
Subject Acceso informacin; Stockage information; Almacenamiento informacin; Conservation document; Conservacin documento; Projet; Proyecto; British Library; The Electronic Beowulf; St. Pancras Treasures
Subject Excalibur EFS; International Dunhuang Project; Bibliothque virtuelle; Technologie information; Tecnologa informacin; Royaume Uni; Reino Unido; Europe; Europa; Conservation. Stockage. Preservation. Storage.
Subject SCIENCES DE L'INFORMATION. DOCUMENTATION. INFORMATION SCIENCE. DOCUMENTATION.; 790 SCIENCES DE L'INFORMATION ET DE LA COMMUNICATION INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION SCIENCES; 790III GESTION DES SERVICES D'INFORMATION. INFORMATION SERVICE MANAGEMENT.
ISSN 0167-5265
Note INIST-CNRS : 19363
Bibliogr. 4 ref.
Type Article
Biograph. note Information Systems, British Library, Boston Spa, Wetherby, West Yorkshire LS23 7BQ, GBR
Description ix, 358 p., [8] p. of plates ill. (some col.) 24 cm.
Series British Library studies in conservation science , 3
Bibliogr. Includes bibliographical references and index.
Resource UCL Library catalogue (eUCLid)
Title Dunhuang and Turfan : contents and conservation of ancient documents from Central Asia / edited by Susan Whitfield and Frances Wood.
Add.Author / Editor Whitfield, Susan , 1960-
Add.Author / Editor Wood, Frances , 1948-
Corp.Author British Library.
Corp.Author Preservation of Material from Cave 17 (Conference), University of Sussex), (1993
Year 1996
Subject International Dunhuang Project.; Manuscripts Conservation and restoration Asia, Central Congresses.; Asia, Central Archival resources Congresses.
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have
fair use rationales:
B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with
suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Reviewer notes:
The license on the infobox image fails Public Domain standards. While having both a copyright license AND a public domain license may pass criteria for usage on Wikimedia Commons (which I doubt) it does not meet criteria for use in a GA article on Wikipedia. Either it is...or it is not. At this time the conflicting license tagging leaves the reviewer no choice but to fail the image itself. If the image is copyrighted than its need a full "Fair Use" rational. If it is in the public Domain, verification is required as the source is linked directly to the refence website. This reviewer has an understanding of copyright and fair use. According to UK copyright law: Names, titles, short phrases and colours are not generally considered unique or substantial enough to be covered, but a creation, such as a logo, that combines these elements may be. Placement, sizing, color, dropshadow, gradient fill and font choice are all design elements that require work by an individual. The "Logo" clearly is not a simple plain text title but indeed contains artistic "choices" regardles of opinion of the uploader. While the company may or may not claim copyright the artist may. A clear disclaimer by the owners is required to set public domain of any image younger than 70 years.
I disagree. The logo has no original artwork, but is just a combination of text and a public domain image. According to my interpretation of Commons guidelines it would not meet the criteria for copyright protection.
BabelStone (
talk) 11:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)reply
You cannot interpret past Copyright. Your interpretation is not the basis of the review, but the visual examination of the actual work. As stated above, it meets criteria for copyright status based on the facts. This is actualy part of the basis for my claim of bias. I mean you no insult or disrespect, so I apologise if you feel slighted. It is not my intention.--
Amadscientist (
talk) 06:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I don't feel slighted or offended -- copyright is a very tricky business, and I may well be wrong in my interpretation. Would you be so kind as to nominate the image for deletion on Commons, and then we can see what the copyright gurus have to say. If it is deleted, then I will consider uploading to Wikipedia with a fair usage rationale.
BabelStone (
talk) 12:38, 7 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I uploaded the file to Commons in good faith in the belief that the logo does not meet the threshold of originality for copyright, but given your concerns I have now proposed it for deletion to see what the community consensus is. I have also reviewed the copyright status of the other images used in the article, and realised that
File:Aurel Stein’s 1907 view of Mogao Cave 16, with a portion.jpg is mistagged and probably still in copyright, so I have removed that image from the article and proposed it for deletion.
BabelStone (
talk) 07:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)reply
The article has few references. It relies heavily on one source. While an attempt has been made to add to references, at this time the artlicle still contains too few references even after a peer review stated clearly that they had indeed found more. For this size article I would expect less dependence on the official website.
I agree that it does have an overreliance on the IDP site as a source. This is because there seem to be no reliable 3rd party sources that provide useful and detailed information about the activities of the IDP. However, the section on the collections could be augmented with references from other sources relating to the collecting activities of Stein, Pelliot, Kozlov, Otani, etc.
BabelStone (
talk) 11:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I have tried to address your concerns by adding some more references from different sources. Note that I used those sources that the peer review found where possible, but almost all of the sources found with the search were unusable because they merely mentioned the IDP in passing and gave no useful information, or were unavailable to me, or were writen by IDP staff.
BabelStone (
talk) 08:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I feel the article is not a fair representation and may indeed contain bias from overuse of the official website. More outside publications to keep the article from be merely a pamphlet.
It is hard to imagine what bias there could be in an article that is mostly factual. Perhaps you are suggesting that the IDP is lying about how many images it has digitised, and we should not rely on their count -- but what other source could we rely on? -- any journalistic source will just be repeating what the IDP has told them.
BabelStone (
talk) 11:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)reply
It would be useful if you could give some specific examples of perceived bias or unfair representation. I have tried to add some more 3rd party sources as you requested, but there are very few 3rd party sources that give any useful information about the IDP, and many details of the IDP project can only be sourced to the IDP web site or the IDP Newsletter. In this respect I think the article is similar to the
British Library article (which recently achieved GA status), which also, of necessity, heavily references the British Library web site.
BabelStone (
talk) 08:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)reply
The last edit on the article was Febuary 6, 2011. No work has been attempted on the article in nearly a month. It is the belief of the reviewer that the amount of research needed to bring up to GA standard is likely to take longer than a 7 day hold would permit, Therefore I am failing the article for GA at this time.
What is the relevance that the article has not been edited for a month? I stopped actively editing when I submitted it for GA review as it was then at a state that I thought was ready for GA review, and I would be able to further improve and modify the article in the light of the GA review. I think that quick failing this article just in order to reduce the GAN backlog is a little harsh, as your only criticism of it seems to be that it needs a wider range of sources for references, which is surely something that could easily be addressed in a week if any such sources existed. However, as I have been unable to find any useful 3rd party sources that discuss the IDP in the requisite detail, it would be impossible to address your concerns, so I am not going to argue the point. I am personally satisfied that this is a good article, but if it does not meet all the GA criteria, so be it.
BabelStone (
talk) 11:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)reply
When an article is nominated and no further work is done on the article by the single editor working on it, it shows, at the very least, that the editor has made a decision that goes against the spirit of Wikipedia, that no article is ever "Finished". While it is true, much of the article is good, the overriding issue to fail was lack of further input and a perception of bais TOWARDS the subject. Your response in anger at both my review decision and my complience to wikipedia MoS and Wikimedia Commons policy doesn't make me feel the decision was incorrect. Misinterpreting "Quick Fail" is but one illustration to your misunderstanding guidelines. None of the criteria for quick fail was used. I read the article, left notes and made a decision. I can only say that your lack of interest in making any of the needed changes satisfies my opinion that this would have not been worked out in a hold period. It isn't that there was so much work that it could not be done, simply that I saw nothing to indicate that it would be. You must understand one thing, if nothing else. It is not required to place a hold to either pass or fail a GA nomination.--
Amadscientist (
talk) 06:31, 7 March 2011 (UTC)reply
I am not angry at all, and I apologise if any of my comments seemed uncivil to you; I am simply disappointed that you failed the article without giving me time to attempt to address your concerns. I do not know why you would take my disagreement with you over the copyright status of the IDP logo as a sign of anger -- it is merely a sign of disagreement between two editors on a particular issue, and I am quite happy to abide by community consensus if that is that the logo should be deleted from Commons. Nor am I angry with your "complience to wikipedia MoS" (is there anywhere where the article does not comply to the MoS? -- you have checked that box); and I agree with you that the article's over reliance on the IDP web site as a source is unsatisfactory, and I hope to address that over the next day or two.
BabelStone (
talk) 14:25, 7 March 2011 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your response. I am sure you have the best interest of the article at heart and look forward to seeing it eventualy make it to GA. The image in question is not compliant to MoS in regards to proper license. It is the opinion of the reviewer that the logo does meet legal requirements for Copyright as mentioned. This is not likely to be resolved within a hold period. It could be deleted from Commons (eventualy this may be the case) and then uploaded to Wikipedia as "Fair Use' following MoS guidelines for such use. This is common of wiki. The over use of the official website also raises some COI concerns: COI editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote your own interests or those of other individuals, companies, or groups.Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. This is certainly not to say that you have any conflict of interests. Indeed, being an interested party makes you an ideal editor to improve the article. It is just a question of how much is too much.
Wikipedia:Neutral point of view also states: "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view. NPOV is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia and of other Wikimedia projects. This policy is non-negotiable and all editors and articles must follow it." It also states: "Due and undue weight = Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint. Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight means that articles should not give minority views as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views.--
Amadscientist (
talk) 02:46, 9 March 2011 (UTC)reply
Just for the record, I do not have (and never have had) any affiliation with the IDP, the British Library or any of the other participating institutes, and created the article as part of the current
British Library - Wikipedia collaboration effort because I have a personal research interest in some of the materials digitised by the IDP. I am well aware of NPOV, and have never before been accused of violating this policy; and have certainly tried to be scrupulously neutral and unbiased in editing this article. But to be honest in order to be biased there has to be two divergent points of view, and I don't know what the two points of view are in this case. The IDP is an international collaboration between libraries to digitise and preserve manuscripts etc., and I don't think that there is any argument or controversy about what the aims and results of the project are, so I really I don't know what other points of view I should be trying represent in the article (the only sources with anything much to say about the IDP are the British Library or other participating institutes or their staff). I am not angry, just a little confused about where exactly you perceive non-neutral or biased points of view in the article. If you could point out (or tag in the article) specific areas of concern wrt bias or sourcing that you think need to be addressed it would be very helpful to me.
BabelStone (
talk) 08:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)reply
Notice from IDP
Thanks to everyone for the article on IDP and all the comments. For information, I am Director of IDP. A couple of comments that might help address some of issues discussed:
1. we are very happy for the logo to be posted - the artist/photographer works for IDP.
I am the aforementioned artist/photographer. I have changed the logo license to CC BY-SA 3.0. IDP is trying to make many more images available (including a better version of the Star Chart featured here) but please bear with us.
Vicswift (
talk) 18:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)reply
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