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I found several sentences, particularly under 'trivia', to be unclear.
I think I've looked at and copyedited most things so the article reads better. Sticki 12:21, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Dont you think we need to add the accidents.I am not sure of the year and date,but there was an accident involving an ICE,where the train rammed an overhead bridge,should we add this? Prateek01 18:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Im sorry,my mistake. Prateek01 08:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
It is said the ICE are of faulty design because the train ends are too light (to little weight), so their speed cannot exceed 200km/h when going in one direction or the train would lift off from the track and cause diaster. They can only go the nominal 250km/h when going in the other direction, so the timetables for to and from directions are very different. It is said the problem with ICE is another sign of badly deteriorated engineering skills at the once mighty Siemens company.
Their other faults include "Siemens Combino" low-floor city trams which had aluminium body that cracked apart in a few years use. They had to be rebuilt in steel, which in turn made them so heavy that they crack the street rails.
Germany would have been much better of with buying TGV, but the stupid nationalist pride... 195.70.32.136 19:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
"The first generations were derived from the then-new class 120 electric locomotives."
Does first generations here mean first-generation trains or first two generations of trains? The next paragraph discusses the third generation, so I would assume the latter is meant.
"The main differences from the original ICE-Ts are several cost-cutting measures, giving those trains a 'cheaper' look and feel."
This appears to be a POV and should either be deleted or explained. Is the ride quality noticeably poorer? Are there more defects and malfunctions? What cost-cutting measures were used?
Are there sources for any of these comments, or is this one person's POV? 71.131.226.22 06:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
"When those problems were fixed and the train finally ran without apparent problems in December 2002, a train derailed because of a broken axle."
If a train derails because of a broken axle, it is not running "without apparent problems." I think I know what is meant (i.e., that the other problems had finally been solved), but the sentence still needs to be cleaned up or deleted. I would prefer to delete it, but perhaps changing ran without apparent to seemed to be able to run without problems would be adequate, although a couple of other changes might still be in order. 71.131.226.22 06:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
"There are also silent carriages where laptops, mobile phones and other 'noisy' equipment should not be used. These carry a sticker displaying a whispering symbol."
What does the whispering symbol look like? 71.131.226.22 06:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Could we move this from InterCity Express to InterCityExpress ? It's a redirect to here right now, so the page cannot be moved by an ordinary user. The naming convention is the CamelCase word, as with RegionalBahn, RegionalExpress, InterCity et al; it was only the InterCity Experimental (the ICE-V) that had a space in its name. -- doco (☏) 10:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I travelled around most of Germany on these trains during the world cup and thought they were great! It was an absolutely amazing way to travel. Canderra 17:27, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
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I found several sentences, particularly under 'trivia', to be unclear.
I think I've looked at and copyedited most things so the article reads better. Sticki 12:21, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Dont you think we need to add the accidents.I am not sure of the year and date,but there was an accident involving an ICE,where the train rammed an overhead bridge,should we add this? Prateek01 18:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Im sorry,my mistake. Prateek01 08:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
It is said the ICE are of faulty design because the train ends are too light (to little weight), so their speed cannot exceed 200km/h when going in one direction or the train would lift off from the track and cause diaster. They can only go the nominal 250km/h when going in the other direction, so the timetables for to and from directions are very different. It is said the problem with ICE is another sign of badly deteriorated engineering skills at the once mighty Siemens company.
Their other faults include "Siemens Combino" low-floor city trams which had aluminium body that cracked apart in a few years use. They had to be rebuilt in steel, which in turn made them so heavy that they crack the street rails.
Germany would have been much better of with buying TGV, but the stupid nationalist pride... 195.70.32.136 19:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
"The first generations were derived from the then-new class 120 electric locomotives."
Does first generations here mean first-generation trains or first two generations of trains? The next paragraph discusses the third generation, so I would assume the latter is meant.
"The main differences from the original ICE-Ts are several cost-cutting measures, giving those trains a 'cheaper' look and feel."
This appears to be a POV and should either be deleted or explained. Is the ride quality noticeably poorer? Are there more defects and malfunctions? What cost-cutting measures were used?
Are there sources for any of these comments, or is this one person's POV? 71.131.226.22 06:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
"When those problems were fixed and the train finally ran without apparent problems in December 2002, a train derailed because of a broken axle."
If a train derails because of a broken axle, it is not running "without apparent problems." I think I know what is meant (i.e., that the other problems had finally been solved), but the sentence still needs to be cleaned up or deleted. I would prefer to delete it, but perhaps changing ran without apparent to seemed to be able to run without problems would be adequate, although a couple of other changes might still be in order. 71.131.226.22 06:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
"There are also silent carriages where laptops, mobile phones and other 'noisy' equipment should not be used. These carry a sticker displaying a whispering symbol."
What does the whispering symbol look like? 71.131.226.22 06:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Could we move this from InterCity Express to InterCityExpress ? It's a redirect to here right now, so the page cannot be moved by an ordinary user. The naming convention is the CamelCase word, as with RegionalBahn, RegionalExpress, InterCity et al; it was only the InterCity Experimental (the ICE-V) that had a space in its name. -- doco (☏) 10:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I travelled around most of Germany on these trains during the world cup and thought they were great! It was an absolutely amazing way to travel. Canderra 17:27, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
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