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Man, the Kekich video is laughably boring. There's one lethargic bloke sitting there talking about Neo-Tech in a monotonous tone, and doing nothing but that for 20+ minutes. Truly the best testimony to the great powers of Neo-Tech! Bi 09:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Well... I did a bit of looking up on this Kekich guy. He's the President of Red Tree International, and according to this report, was involved in the creation of 3 "blind pool" companies. By the way, the report also says something about "bankruptcy". I'm not sure what it all means, but it's looking good. Bi 10:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to seem like a noob, but I have received "the letter" from the Nouveau Tech Society, and I was wondering if my scans of it would enhance this article. I am not too familiar with Wikipedia's rules regarding such things. I have removed my personal information throughout, but have left in their information. I could modify it further to remove their address and phone number. Should I upload the scans and add them to the article? Just last night, I met a woman who was, for lack of a better word, hysterical after receiving the letter from them. I think it would help people searching for answers about this "secret society." Xanax is my FRIEND 05:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I've done a bottom-up list prune of the external links section to bring the section more inline with Wikipedia:External links. Below is what was removed. - FrancisTyers · 11:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
listen, i purchased the nouveau tech society package of inside secrets, & was satisfied, but my main "beef" with "I&O" is that i received another letter shortly after, "soliciting" some more literature that i sent for and never received. in the letter it was stated that all i had to do was send $90 for s&h but never received the literature. (Redacted)
Citing a criticism of a work as a criticism of a work will not do, one must have knowledge of what one is criticizing for a criticism to be valid. otherwise, it may be difference of opinion, or just an ad hominem, non-sequitur laden pile of hack. and the critic's time could have been better used actually creating values.
For an example of whether a publishing company's publications is "undue weight" ?!? in Wikipedia common practice, see Patriotic Publishing Co.
Pax Neo-Tex bogus feedback represents undue weight to an encyclopedic entry on Integrated Management Associates.
Proper encyclopedic content consists of accurate links to the freely available publications of IMA. I.E. Zonpower publication
— Poet Liar Who Always Tells the Truth ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Attacking the person and ignoring the content constitutes undue weight and other logical falacies. Bogus feedback represents undue weight. Proper encyclopedic content consists of relevant links.
— Poet Liar Who Always Tells the Truth ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
The question on the table is should an encyclopedic entry on Integrated Management Associates include a link to one of its example publications. I.E. Zonpower publication. Many use Wikipedia as a encyclopedic resource (including using it to research Neo-Tech), and it should contain proper content. This is a simple matter of what links are proper and what links are not. Personal attacks notwithstanding and irrelevant; only objective sources are. What is proper content? Zonpower is representative of what IMA publishes, and should be included in this listing.
— Poet Liar Who Always Tells the Truth ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Nothing new here. More personal attacks and subverting the point. I move to banish Bi from Wikipedia for blatant disregard of objective truth. I put forward a formal inquiry into this matter. His attacks are becoming highly offensive, irrevelent, with the intent of at least distorting and at most deleting Neo-Tech listings from Wikipedia. If a new user has any say at all, then I say this.
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OK has anyone yet recieved a letter in the mail about being offered some "ancient manuscript" From these guys yet? Well I have and I am really not sure about it. I am very sure there not much associated with freemasontry though in there pamflit they mention someting that relates to it. But I honestly get a really bad Idea out of it. The pamflit just contained a bunch of success stories that lead you to believe something to the effect that if you buy this copy of an "ancient manuscript" you will be "suddenly changed" by a "ten second miracle". ANd what really makes me mad is that someone had came up to the success story people offering it to them strait to there face and I long for something like that to happen to me! And what really tiks me off is that "they" say they know everything about me, BUT THEY COULDN'T EVEN GET MY FIRST NAME RIGHT!! AND IT WAS JUST A SMALL ERROR like typing a G instead of an F because there close togethor but it was clear across the key pad almost!
Somebody wrote Kimura's philosophy was "fundamentally contradictory to Neo-Tech's tenets." That's not what he says. On Wallace's euology site Kimura wrote: "Dear Rosa Maria, Wallace, Frank, and all the Ward families: It was with profound sadness that I heard the news of Dr. Ward's passing. My deepest condolences to you all. Just yesterday I received an e-mail message from a long-time student of Neo-Tech and it was in his message that I found Dr. Ward's death for the first time. Last year I lost my mother in May at 80 and two of my great mentors in March at 85 and 88, but I was unaware that another great man I had known had already passed away at 73, too young for a man I believed would live easily beyond the age 100. On August 1st, 1987, the day I arrived in the Neo-Tech office in Las Vegas to work, Dr. Ward and I had a phone conversation. He said, 'Yasuhiko, no matter what happens in the future, no matter what happens between us, I would like you to always know that I respect you--your intelligence and character'. Exactly one year later, on July 31, 1988, I left the company. Dr. Ward and I re-connected briefly around 2000 when I was the executive director of The Twilight Club, founded by Herbert Spencer in the late 19th century. Our mutual respect was still apparent. Though philosophically I moved on and developed my own system, integrating Neo-Tech/Randian philosophy into a larger framework, I always remember the exciting times I spent with Dr. Ward and his Neo-Tech family. Hearing the death of Dr. Ward, I now know that not only did I respect him highly but also I loved him deeply. Humanity will miss a great intellect and I will miss a warm loving heart that permeated his intellect and whole being. May his spirited soul soar even higher, for the great soul like his know no rest. Yasuhiko Genku Kimura." [3] I realize that may not be a great source because there is always a chance that someone is impersonating him but I don't think it can be claimed that's it's fundamentally contradictory without a citation. Bridge & Tunnel 20:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Should the article state, as a verifiable fact, that Yasuhiko Kimura writes for Neo-Tech by the pen name Ray Kotobuki?
My personal view: no, as the evidence for this is tenuous at best. Please see the above discussion. Bi 06:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
If someone's name is stated as the author of a published book or article, that's prima facie accepted evidence that the person wrote that article. Are you prepared to delete the author name of every book and article on Wikipedia because you don't trust that that person really wrote them? Your objection is totally frivolous. Bridge & Tunnel 07:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Bridge & Tunnel, from where did you source your claim that I & O Publishing began operations in 1968? I've heard lots and lots of rumours to that effect — some say it started in 1968, others say it started in 1970 — but there was nothing reliable. The Better BB page, which Neo-Tech likes to ask us to check, clearly states its "original business start date" is 1992. Bi 16:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and what in the blazes is the reason for removing any mention of the contents of the complaints of the BBB (i.e. false advertising)? Bi 08:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Australian Fair Trading Minister Margaret Keech complained, that in some brochures they have mailed to individuals, that they notify those individuals that they are in their target audience because because they share special characteristics and that those those individuals will be eventually "asked for money" to receive books. Because of this, she has called them "con-artists." [7] Is that funny or what? On what planet is it a "con" to let people know they they meet the mailing list criteria to be targeted? And on what planet is it a "con" to ask money for your books? Keech seems a bit clueless on "Fair Trading." It seems like the complaint is just from a lack of understanding of how marketing works. Companies purchase mailing lists tailored to provide lists of people that meet special criteria. Letting customers know they meet special criteria to be targeted is not a "con" in any way, shape, or form. Sure, they make it seem glamorous but so what? It's nonetheless true and helps to attract the customer. One of the great strategies of marketing is to make the customer feel special. The fact that Keech finds it a "con" to "ask for money" is inexplicable. If I owned the company I would be suing Margarat Keech right now for calling the company "con-artists." Bridge & Tunnel 17:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
It's hard to make much sense of this article, but I did delete of couple of paragraphs that appeared to be more or less identical to each other, and which appeared to be commentary by a Wikipedia contributor. I'm not sure that the subject of this article is really notable for purposes of Wikipedia. Famspear ( talk) 21:55, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
So apparently this outfit (or at least Mark Hamilton (writer), which redirects here) is also connected to the "Twelve Visions Party" which run a candidate in the 2013 Massachusetts special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by John Kerry. 121a0012 ( talk) 01:13, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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Man, the Kekich video is laughably boring. There's one lethargic bloke sitting there talking about Neo-Tech in a monotonous tone, and doing nothing but that for 20+ minutes. Truly the best testimony to the great powers of Neo-Tech! Bi 09:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Well... I did a bit of looking up on this Kekich guy. He's the President of Red Tree International, and according to this report, was involved in the creation of 3 "blind pool" companies. By the way, the report also says something about "bankruptcy". I'm not sure what it all means, but it's looking good. Bi 10:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to seem like a noob, but I have received "the letter" from the Nouveau Tech Society, and I was wondering if my scans of it would enhance this article. I am not too familiar with Wikipedia's rules regarding such things. I have removed my personal information throughout, but have left in their information. I could modify it further to remove their address and phone number. Should I upload the scans and add them to the article? Just last night, I met a woman who was, for lack of a better word, hysterical after receiving the letter from them. I think it would help people searching for answers about this "secret society." Xanax is my FRIEND 05:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I've done a bottom-up list prune of the external links section to bring the section more inline with Wikipedia:External links. Below is what was removed. - FrancisTyers · 11:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
listen, i purchased the nouveau tech society package of inside secrets, & was satisfied, but my main "beef" with "I&O" is that i received another letter shortly after, "soliciting" some more literature that i sent for and never received. in the letter it was stated that all i had to do was send $90 for s&h but never received the literature. (Redacted)
Citing a criticism of a work as a criticism of a work will not do, one must have knowledge of what one is criticizing for a criticism to be valid. otherwise, it may be difference of opinion, or just an ad hominem, non-sequitur laden pile of hack. and the critic's time could have been better used actually creating values.
For an example of whether a publishing company's publications is "undue weight" ?!? in Wikipedia common practice, see Patriotic Publishing Co.
Pax Neo-Tex bogus feedback represents undue weight to an encyclopedic entry on Integrated Management Associates.
Proper encyclopedic content consists of accurate links to the freely available publications of IMA. I.E. Zonpower publication
— Poet Liar Who Always Tells the Truth ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Attacking the person and ignoring the content constitutes undue weight and other logical falacies. Bogus feedback represents undue weight. Proper encyclopedic content consists of relevant links.
— Poet Liar Who Always Tells the Truth ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
The question on the table is should an encyclopedic entry on Integrated Management Associates include a link to one of its example publications. I.E. Zonpower publication. Many use Wikipedia as a encyclopedic resource (including using it to research Neo-Tech), and it should contain proper content. This is a simple matter of what links are proper and what links are not. Personal attacks notwithstanding and irrelevant; only objective sources are. What is proper content? Zonpower is representative of what IMA publishes, and should be included in this listing.
— Poet Liar Who Always Tells the Truth ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Nothing new here. More personal attacks and subverting the point. I move to banish Bi from Wikipedia for blatant disregard of objective truth. I put forward a formal inquiry into this matter. His attacks are becoming highly offensive, irrevelent, with the intent of at least distorting and at most deleting Neo-Tech listings from Wikipedia. If a new user has any say at all, then I say this.
— Poet Liar Who Always Tells the Truth ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
OK has anyone yet recieved a letter in the mail about being offered some "ancient manuscript" From these guys yet? Well I have and I am really not sure about it. I am very sure there not much associated with freemasontry though in there pamflit they mention someting that relates to it. But I honestly get a really bad Idea out of it. The pamflit just contained a bunch of success stories that lead you to believe something to the effect that if you buy this copy of an "ancient manuscript" you will be "suddenly changed" by a "ten second miracle". ANd what really makes me mad is that someone had came up to the success story people offering it to them strait to there face and I long for something like that to happen to me! And what really tiks me off is that "they" say they know everything about me, BUT THEY COULDN'T EVEN GET MY FIRST NAME RIGHT!! AND IT WAS JUST A SMALL ERROR like typing a G instead of an F because there close togethor but it was clear across the key pad almost!
Somebody wrote Kimura's philosophy was "fundamentally contradictory to Neo-Tech's tenets." That's not what he says. On Wallace's euology site Kimura wrote: "Dear Rosa Maria, Wallace, Frank, and all the Ward families: It was with profound sadness that I heard the news of Dr. Ward's passing. My deepest condolences to you all. Just yesterday I received an e-mail message from a long-time student of Neo-Tech and it was in his message that I found Dr. Ward's death for the first time. Last year I lost my mother in May at 80 and two of my great mentors in March at 85 and 88, but I was unaware that another great man I had known had already passed away at 73, too young for a man I believed would live easily beyond the age 100. On August 1st, 1987, the day I arrived in the Neo-Tech office in Las Vegas to work, Dr. Ward and I had a phone conversation. He said, 'Yasuhiko, no matter what happens in the future, no matter what happens between us, I would like you to always know that I respect you--your intelligence and character'. Exactly one year later, on July 31, 1988, I left the company. Dr. Ward and I re-connected briefly around 2000 when I was the executive director of The Twilight Club, founded by Herbert Spencer in the late 19th century. Our mutual respect was still apparent. Though philosophically I moved on and developed my own system, integrating Neo-Tech/Randian philosophy into a larger framework, I always remember the exciting times I spent with Dr. Ward and his Neo-Tech family. Hearing the death of Dr. Ward, I now know that not only did I respect him highly but also I loved him deeply. Humanity will miss a great intellect and I will miss a warm loving heart that permeated his intellect and whole being. May his spirited soul soar even higher, for the great soul like his know no rest. Yasuhiko Genku Kimura." [3] I realize that may not be a great source because there is always a chance that someone is impersonating him but I don't think it can be claimed that's it's fundamentally contradictory without a citation. Bridge & Tunnel 20:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Should the article state, as a verifiable fact, that Yasuhiko Kimura writes for Neo-Tech by the pen name Ray Kotobuki?
My personal view: no, as the evidence for this is tenuous at best. Please see the above discussion. Bi 06:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
If someone's name is stated as the author of a published book or article, that's prima facie accepted evidence that the person wrote that article. Are you prepared to delete the author name of every book and article on Wikipedia because you don't trust that that person really wrote them? Your objection is totally frivolous. Bridge & Tunnel 07:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Bridge & Tunnel, from where did you source your claim that I & O Publishing began operations in 1968? I've heard lots and lots of rumours to that effect — some say it started in 1968, others say it started in 1970 — but there was nothing reliable. The Better BB page, which Neo-Tech likes to ask us to check, clearly states its "original business start date" is 1992. Bi 16:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and what in the blazes is the reason for removing any mention of the contents of the complaints of the BBB (i.e. false advertising)? Bi 08:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Australian Fair Trading Minister Margaret Keech complained, that in some brochures they have mailed to individuals, that they notify those individuals that they are in their target audience because because they share special characteristics and that those those individuals will be eventually "asked for money" to receive books. Because of this, she has called them "con-artists." [7] Is that funny or what? On what planet is it a "con" to let people know they they meet the mailing list criteria to be targeted? And on what planet is it a "con" to ask money for your books? Keech seems a bit clueless on "Fair Trading." It seems like the complaint is just from a lack of understanding of how marketing works. Companies purchase mailing lists tailored to provide lists of people that meet special criteria. Letting customers know they meet special criteria to be targeted is not a "con" in any way, shape, or form. Sure, they make it seem glamorous but so what? It's nonetheless true and helps to attract the customer. One of the great strategies of marketing is to make the customer feel special. The fact that Keech finds it a "con" to "ask for money" is inexplicable. If I owned the company I would be suing Margarat Keech right now for calling the company "con-artists." Bridge & Tunnel 17:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
It's hard to make much sense of this article, but I did delete of couple of paragraphs that appeared to be more or less identical to each other, and which appeared to be commentary by a Wikipedia contributor. I'm not sure that the subject of this article is really notable for purposes of Wikipedia. Famspear ( talk) 21:55, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
So apparently this outfit (or at least Mark Hamilton (writer), which redirects here) is also connected to the "Twelve Visions Party" which run a candidate in the 2013 Massachusetts special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by John Kerry. 121a0012 ( talk) 01:13, 26 June 2013 (UTC)