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I don't know who added Vladimir Putin as a commander, but please, let's stick with the actual combatants. -- Mikrobølgeovn ( talk) 16:52, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Whoever did it forgot about other involved forces, but this can be a great thing to note to people who edit these kinds of articles, I personally, wait until at least 10 years have passed until even considering any addition to the article, due to my inexperiance Kiri621x ( talk) 15:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC) Are we sure the United States has only been supporting Mozambique since this year I found this article which has a picture of a US solider alongside a Mozambique one in front of a US C-130 which from 2019 https://www.businessinsider.com/fight-against-isis-affiliate-in-mozambique-draws-us-green-berets-2021-4 - Snguberman
The page says that the total civilian casualties is 78 but it has said that since the 26th of March. The other numbers are out of date to. I will try to count all the deaths, but I will need help. Can someone try to help me? Cool314 ( talk) 14:49, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
With what, exactly? Bokoharamwatch ( talk) 19:33, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Insurgency in Mozambique is a WP:CONCISE title. The goal of conciseness is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area. If there has never been any "insurgency" in Mozambique before 2017, then it is unnecessary to disambiguate with a time period (2017-present). Likewise it may be not be necessary to disambiguate with "Islamist", especially if it is not clear that this insurgency should be characterized as an "Islamist insurgency". – wbm1058 ( talk) 17:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Dumb question. What's different btw civil war and insurgencies? Surely can't just be factions facing government. Bokoharamwatch ( talk) 19:35, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved b uidh e 19:30, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Insurgency in Mozambique (2017–present) →
Insurgency in Cabo Delgado – Used in seemingly reputable sources
[1]
[2], has 10.700 google results, I oppose the current title, as there were technically 2 insurgencies in Mozambique from 2017 to 2019 (See
RENAMO insurgency (2013–2019)). I also oppose Islamist insurgency in Mozambique as it isn't in all of Mozambique and because there's more to it than just Islamism (organized crime is in on it as well)
Koopinator (
talk) 18:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I mean in search engines and it can spread to other regions. Oranjelo100 ( talk) 06:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus not to move. No such user ( talk) 09:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Insurgency in Cabo Delgado →
Mozambique conflict – it is the most common name used by sources at the moment
Ridax2020 (
talk) 16:40, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Sources: https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-africa-56441499
https://www.ft.com/content/94eca69a-77a6-401a-83e0-ab2df070fd94
https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/06/mozambique-cabo-delgado-conflict-islamist-insurgency-mental-health-crisis Ridax2020 ( talk) 16:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
The entry and participation of soldiers from Botswana, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Tanzania and Angola are actually an integrated organised force. They are the Southern African Development Community's " SADC Mission in Mozambique" (SAMIM) force which has a specific multinational structure and command system. [1] [2] [3]
The way they are discussed in this article suggests that it's merely an arbitrary bunch of countries just piling in. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 10:27, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
References
this states that both al-shabaab groups have pledged loyalty to ISIS which is mostly untrue. the Somali branch is mainly loyal to Al Qaeda, with only a handful siding with ISIS. 107.9.156.27 ( talk) 20:10, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 17:18, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
Insurgency in Cabo Delgado → Islamist insurgency in Mozambique – If Google Scholar is anything to go by, the latter falls much more in line with WP:COMMONNAME. To illustrate:
Insurgency in Cabo Delgado – 2,280 results
Islamist insurgency in Mozambique – 14,800 results
Plus, for what it's worth, the Portuguese version of this page calls this Insurreição islâmica em Moçambique, or "Islamic insurrection in Mozambique," which is a lot closer to the second title than the current one. DJ ( talk) 03:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 19:28, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Add legend to map 2A02:C7C:507D:0:55AE:C348:ACCE:8EEC ( talk) 22:54, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Add legend to map 87.81.117.65 ( talk) 22:57, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
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On 16 October 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Islamist insurgency in Mozambique. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
I don't know who added Vladimir Putin as a commander, but please, let's stick with the actual combatants. -- Mikrobølgeovn ( talk) 16:52, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Whoever did it forgot about other involved forces, but this can be a great thing to note to people who edit these kinds of articles, I personally, wait until at least 10 years have passed until even considering any addition to the article, due to my inexperiance Kiri621x ( talk) 15:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC) Are we sure the United States has only been supporting Mozambique since this year I found this article which has a picture of a US solider alongside a Mozambique one in front of a US C-130 which from 2019 https://www.businessinsider.com/fight-against-isis-affiliate-in-mozambique-draws-us-green-berets-2021-4 - Snguberman
The page says that the total civilian casualties is 78 but it has said that since the 26th of March. The other numbers are out of date to. I will try to count all the deaths, but I will need help. Can someone try to help me? Cool314 ( talk) 14:49, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
With what, exactly? Bokoharamwatch ( talk) 19:33, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Insurgency in Mozambique is a WP:CONCISE title. The goal of conciseness is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area. If there has never been any "insurgency" in Mozambique before 2017, then it is unnecessary to disambiguate with a time period (2017-present). Likewise it may be not be necessary to disambiguate with "Islamist", especially if it is not clear that this insurgency should be characterized as an "Islamist insurgency". – wbm1058 ( talk) 17:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Dumb question. What's different btw civil war and insurgencies? Surely can't just be factions facing government. Bokoharamwatch ( talk) 19:35, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved b uidh e 19:30, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Insurgency in Mozambique (2017–present) →
Insurgency in Cabo Delgado – Used in seemingly reputable sources
[1]
[2], has 10.700 google results, I oppose the current title, as there were technically 2 insurgencies in Mozambique from 2017 to 2019 (See
RENAMO insurgency (2013–2019)). I also oppose Islamist insurgency in Mozambique as it isn't in all of Mozambique and because there's more to it than just Islamism (organized crime is in on it as well)
Koopinator (
talk) 18:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I mean in search engines and it can spread to other regions. Oranjelo100 ( talk) 06:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus not to move. No such user ( talk) 09:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Insurgency in Cabo Delgado →
Mozambique conflict – it is the most common name used by sources at the moment
Ridax2020 (
talk) 16:40, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Sources: https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-africa-56441499
https://www.ft.com/content/94eca69a-77a6-401a-83e0-ab2df070fd94
https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/06/mozambique-cabo-delgado-conflict-islamist-insurgency-mental-health-crisis Ridax2020 ( talk) 16:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
The entry and participation of soldiers from Botswana, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Tanzania and Angola are actually an integrated organised force. They are the Southern African Development Community's " SADC Mission in Mozambique" (SAMIM) force which has a specific multinational structure and command system. [1] [2] [3]
The way they are discussed in this article suggests that it's merely an arbitrary bunch of countries just piling in. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 10:27, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
References
this states that both al-shabaab groups have pledged loyalty to ISIS which is mostly untrue. the Somali branch is mainly loyal to Al Qaeda, with only a handful siding with ISIS. 107.9.156.27 ( talk) 20:10, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 17:18, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
Insurgency in Cabo Delgado → Islamist insurgency in Mozambique – If Google Scholar is anything to go by, the latter falls much more in line with WP:COMMONNAME. To illustrate:
Insurgency in Cabo Delgado – 2,280 results
Islamist insurgency in Mozambique – 14,800 results
Plus, for what it's worth, the Portuguese version of this page calls this Insurreição islâmica em Moçambique, or "Islamic insurrection in Mozambique," which is a lot closer to the second title than the current one. DJ ( talk) 03:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 19:28, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Add legend to map 2A02:C7C:507D:0:55AE:C348:ACCE:8EEC ( talk) 22:54, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Add legend to map 87.81.117.65 ( talk) 22:57, 29 May 2023 (UTC)