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Christophegarcia1972: As an earlier contributer stated, the claims that Carlos Buela didn't found IVE are unsupported. In fact, the links that YOU ADDED to this article explicitly contradict your claim.
Christophegarcia1972: If you are who I think you are, I know that you are a former IVE priest with an anti-IVE agenda. According to Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy, you should not be editing this page.
71.178.69.218 ( talk) 04:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
As far as I understand, the founder stepped down in 199 and 2010 plus the IVE was investigated by the vatican. Such things may or may not be a negative judgement but they are important. The timeline is nice but it includes unimportant events (one more parish in the States) while skipping other key ones (the Vatican investigation). As well, there is not a single reference, even to the IVE site. You can read my profile, I am a member of a religious community that doesn't have a perfect history (the Legion of Christ) and I am not out to bash the IVE. I think that having a WP:NPOV page will only help. As it is now, I personally would not trust this page and seek other sources. Can somebody please clean this up? I don't have time right now. >> Jesus Loves You! M.P.Schneider,LC ( parlemus • feci) 14:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Dear IVE supporters. I understand your zeal but this is not your website so you need to follow the rules:
1. Few if any external links to your site in the article.
2. Include controversies
3. Don't get carried away about secondary things like running 1-2 parishes in country X or how Fr Buela did something the same day as JP2. Those may have meaning for you but not for Wikipedia.
4. If you want help, write on my talk page. I too am a religious who checks my community's page but I know what WP:NPOV means. >> M.P.Schneider,LC ( parlemus • feci) 16:18, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
When "controversies" are published, and their only supporting evidence are bloggers who think they know what is going on or minor newspaper outlets who prematurely report on non-conclusive investigations, then those "controversies" are really examples of defamation. A good reputation should be the first thing guarded, and not NPOV. There needs to be some serious discernment regarding what is a credible news source and what is not. Cbetheridge ( talk) 03:37, 16 March 2016 (UTC)Cbetheridge
Cbetheridge, the majority of the article is sourced straight from IVE material with no additional corroboration. Do you want to remove that as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.202.139.223 ( talk) 12:30, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Cbetheridge, the majority of your contributions to the page have been completely unsourced, are subjective but written as if they are objective, or are sourced from IVE/SSVM published resources. Meanwhile you have deleted much properly sourced material. Please clean up and source your contributions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.202.139.223 ( talk) 06:08, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
There should be some mention of the fact that the founder was sentenced in January 2010 by the Vatican for "immoral behavior" and was forbidden any further contact with the institutes founded by him. Vatican Decree (22 Jan. 2010) specifying these measures was published only in November 2015 in ex-member blogs. [1] Superiors did not collaborate, trying largely to protect Fr. Buela and undermine his contact ban. Therefore, Carlos Walker was destitute from his position as a General Superior on 16 December 2015 and IVE was put beyond special Authority of Papal Visitors R.P. Vito Angelo Todisco (Rota Romana) and R.P. Philippe Toxé (Dominican). An Extraordinary General Chapter in July 2016 confirmed all measures against former leaders. The Chapter was presided by Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio. A new Superior General (the Argentine Fr. Gustavo Nieto) was elected and former Superior Carlos Walker sent to Taiwan. See: Cambia la dirección del IVE y se confirma la condena al P. Buela por abusos. and IVE General Chapter – The Election of New Authorities. Similarly, there was also a change of leadership at the Sisters' Congregation: On July 4, 2016 long-term leader M. Anima Christi van Eijck (Superior General since 1998) was replaced by Argentine M. Corredentora Rodríguez. [2] -- JordiCuber ( talk) 10:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Sources for last edit (see my talk page): -- Jordi ( talk) 00:34, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Inclusion of the Languages > Bahasa Melayu (translated in English means "Malay language") linkage in the navigation bar to Buela -- nonexistant in Angola -- seems an ill fit. Can anyone shed light on its purpose? Following the link, one finds several mutually-reciprocal links under Languages (page cue in English gives "Institute of the Incarnate Word - Ingerris" linking back to the IVE-themed page not any corresponding Angolan geographical entity one might expect -- which more accurately would be named Benguela or Benguela Province (and varieties thereof in the other tongues)? IMHO an odd addition to a Catholic faith topic on English Wikipedia by the Malaysian Wikipedia User: Farhan_Shinichi; whose intrigueing internationalized onomastico meaning "happy" (Persian Farsi) "Anime hero" (Japanese) is a pseudonymous placeholder for a more serious Malaysian Wikipedia User: Aplikasi who professes the Muslim faith. False flag perhaps, duplicating either Buginese-speaking User: Farhan_Shinichi inactive since December 2012 perhaps in Indonesia (as is the pseudonymous retired User: Aplikasi) or Cyrillic Kazachstani User: Farhan_Shinichi (where the onomastico naturely may have other meanings, such as ناھىيىسى in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region or 新 'firewood' in SinoTibetan? The eponymous totally nonsensical linked-to page was created three years ago. But why, exactly, has it been linked to here? MrsKrishan ( talk) 08:22, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
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Under "Government of the Institute" it appears that Buela was in charge until 1994, when he was succeeded by Solari. Yet both CNS [4], and CNA [5] say Buela retired in 2010. Manannan67 ( talk) 21:15, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
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Christophegarcia1972: As an earlier contributer stated, the claims that Carlos Buela didn't found IVE are unsupported. In fact, the links that YOU ADDED to this article explicitly contradict your claim.
Christophegarcia1972: If you are who I think you are, I know that you are a former IVE priest with an anti-IVE agenda. According to Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy, you should not be editing this page.
71.178.69.218 ( talk) 04:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
As far as I understand, the founder stepped down in 199 and 2010 plus the IVE was investigated by the vatican. Such things may or may not be a negative judgement but they are important. The timeline is nice but it includes unimportant events (one more parish in the States) while skipping other key ones (the Vatican investigation). As well, there is not a single reference, even to the IVE site. You can read my profile, I am a member of a religious community that doesn't have a perfect history (the Legion of Christ) and I am not out to bash the IVE. I think that having a WP:NPOV page will only help. As it is now, I personally would not trust this page and seek other sources. Can somebody please clean this up? I don't have time right now. >> Jesus Loves You! M.P.Schneider,LC ( parlemus • feci) 14:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Dear IVE supporters. I understand your zeal but this is not your website so you need to follow the rules:
1. Few if any external links to your site in the article.
2. Include controversies
3. Don't get carried away about secondary things like running 1-2 parishes in country X or how Fr Buela did something the same day as JP2. Those may have meaning for you but not for Wikipedia.
4. If you want help, write on my talk page. I too am a religious who checks my community's page but I know what WP:NPOV means. >> M.P.Schneider,LC ( parlemus • feci) 16:18, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
When "controversies" are published, and their only supporting evidence are bloggers who think they know what is going on or minor newspaper outlets who prematurely report on non-conclusive investigations, then those "controversies" are really examples of defamation. A good reputation should be the first thing guarded, and not NPOV. There needs to be some serious discernment regarding what is a credible news source and what is not. Cbetheridge ( talk) 03:37, 16 March 2016 (UTC)Cbetheridge
Cbetheridge, the majority of the article is sourced straight from IVE material with no additional corroboration. Do you want to remove that as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.202.139.223 ( talk) 12:30, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Cbetheridge, the majority of your contributions to the page have been completely unsourced, are subjective but written as if they are objective, or are sourced from IVE/SSVM published resources. Meanwhile you have deleted much properly sourced material. Please clean up and source your contributions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.202.139.223 ( talk) 06:08, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
There should be some mention of the fact that the founder was sentenced in January 2010 by the Vatican for "immoral behavior" and was forbidden any further contact with the institutes founded by him. Vatican Decree (22 Jan. 2010) specifying these measures was published only in November 2015 in ex-member blogs. [1] Superiors did not collaborate, trying largely to protect Fr. Buela and undermine his contact ban. Therefore, Carlos Walker was destitute from his position as a General Superior on 16 December 2015 and IVE was put beyond special Authority of Papal Visitors R.P. Vito Angelo Todisco (Rota Romana) and R.P. Philippe Toxé (Dominican). An Extraordinary General Chapter in July 2016 confirmed all measures against former leaders. The Chapter was presided by Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio. A new Superior General (the Argentine Fr. Gustavo Nieto) was elected and former Superior Carlos Walker sent to Taiwan. See: Cambia la dirección del IVE y se confirma la condena al P. Buela por abusos. and IVE General Chapter – The Election of New Authorities. Similarly, there was also a change of leadership at the Sisters' Congregation: On July 4, 2016 long-term leader M. Anima Christi van Eijck (Superior General since 1998) was replaced by Argentine M. Corredentora Rodríguez. [2] -- JordiCuber ( talk) 10:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Sources for last edit (see my talk page): -- Jordi ( talk) 00:34, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Inclusion of the Languages > Bahasa Melayu (translated in English means "Malay language") linkage in the navigation bar to Buela -- nonexistant in Angola -- seems an ill fit. Can anyone shed light on its purpose? Following the link, one finds several mutually-reciprocal links under Languages (page cue in English gives "Institute of the Incarnate Word - Ingerris" linking back to the IVE-themed page not any corresponding Angolan geographical entity one might expect -- which more accurately would be named Benguela or Benguela Province (and varieties thereof in the other tongues)? IMHO an odd addition to a Catholic faith topic on English Wikipedia by the Malaysian Wikipedia User: Farhan_Shinichi; whose intrigueing internationalized onomastico meaning "happy" (Persian Farsi) "Anime hero" (Japanese) is a pseudonymous placeholder for a more serious Malaysian Wikipedia User: Aplikasi who professes the Muslim faith. False flag perhaps, duplicating either Buginese-speaking User: Farhan_Shinichi inactive since December 2012 perhaps in Indonesia (as is the pseudonymous retired User: Aplikasi) or Cyrillic Kazachstani User: Farhan_Shinichi (where the onomastico naturely may have other meanings, such as ناھىيىسى in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region or 新 'firewood' in SinoTibetan? The eponymous totally nonsensical linked-to page was created three years ago. But why, exactly, has it been linked to here? MrsKrishan ( talk) 08:22, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
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Under "Government of the Institute" it appears that Buela was in charge until 1994, when he was succeeded by Solari. Yet both CNS [4], and CNA [5] say Buela retired in 2010. Manannan67 ( talk) 21:15, 9 March 2020 (UTC)