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Accounting Technicians are not Members of ICAI so do not add Accounting Technician or AT in the member's designations in the article stub.
The whole article has been rewritten and edited to resolve the copyright violations. I kindly request users not to blindly copy contents from ICAI website since all ICAI.org contents are copyrighted in favour of ICAI. Hence be careful while adding content, else the article may be blocked for copyright concerns once again similar to what happened on 25 March 2010. R.Sivanesh Proud to be an Indian ( talk)
please understand that wikipedia is not an online-classified server. And consider restraning yourself from adding your firms name and contact details in the Notable section.
If you're really NOTABLE , someone else will do it..and it will look much like a reference rather than an advertisement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Everdawn ( talk • contribs) 14:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I thought it would be better to get the notable CA Firms Tab removed. After all the Institute's members are supposed to be Equal Citizens of the Brotherhood. Further no member can claim himself to be superior over another. Hence I got the topic removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.89.20.129 ( talk) 16:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
On 25 March 2010, this article was tagged for copyright concerns, though no source was identified. Investigation suggests that most of the lead is copied verbatim from the official website. A good bit of the other material seems to be duplicated in this February 2009 document [1]. The copyright status of this material needs to be clarified, I'm afraid before we are able to publish it on Wikipedia. If the content is imported, we will need to verify licensing. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials if you are the copyright owner, or Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission if you are not.
I have removed some extensive quotations in accordance with non-free content policy and guideline. I'm afraid we are only to use brief quotations unless licensing for this material is also verified. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:49, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: [2], [3] and [4]. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:40, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
The text at the top of Accounting Standards Issued by ICAI should be merged here to the extent that it is not present already. The table is not needed in Wikipedia as it does not meet WP:General notability guideline. The separate article on auditing standards is of no interest to readers of a general encyclopedia and should be deleted. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
I propose that the list of past presidents should be removed. Wikipedia is a encyclopaedia so it should contain only information which is useful to all users. The list of past presidents does not serve any purpose. That too a lengthy list like this will make the the article ugly and awkward. You may further note that this article is a been failed as a good article nominee 3 times. So the concentration at this point should be to improvise on this aspect and get the good article status. So unnecessary info like this should be removed and quality should be improved. I request your views in this regard. R.Sivanesh (Talk) 04:20, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
A few exceptional cases will not lend the professional reputation of Chartered Accountants fade out. Even today soo much of trust and confidence is vested on Chartered Accountants in India. Hence citing individual cases, one cannot question the reputation of a profession. User:Costfavour seem to say that after sathyam fiasco no one trusts chartered accountants. Its like saying after enron scandal,it was dooms day for the whole CPA profession in the US. Hence reputation of Indian CAs cannot be questioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SivaneshR ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Even after my rewriting so far, the article is still confusing on the impossibility of a charter. It says there is no Royal Charter because India is a Republic, but states that the CA Act was passed before India became a republic. I'm not sure I understand India's political status in the period 1947-1950; could a Charter have been possible? I accept that the constituting document was an Act rather than a charter, but some further clarification in this article would be worthwhile. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:51, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I highly reprimand the user who has replaced the ICAI Emblem with the CA Logo. Both CA Logo and ICAI Emblem are two separate identities of ICAI. It is not that the new Logo has replaced the ICAI Emblem. CA Logo was introduced to create brand image for the CA Professional and not as a replacement of the ICAI. ICAI emblem alone should find place in the infobox. The details of the logo may be added elsewhere. Hence I am undoing all the edits done by the issue. However I must respect the intentions of the user to add details about CA Logo. R.Sivanesh ✆ 16:01, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
The present intro is just a copy paste from the ICAI website. hence someone please write a nice brand new intro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SivaneshR ( talk • contribs) 15:17, 24 March 2010 (UTC) new templates added —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.164.157.170 ( talk) 11:21, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
I have added some sections to expand on the content. However the layout needs some work. Can the author who has added Presidents move it under the title "Council of The Institute". I would recommend removing "notable" presidents and only keep the first and the current presidents. Also please add the emblem of the Institute - not sure if it was there earlier and someone has removed it. It is available on the ICAI website. I have yet to add a few references so please be patient over the next few days while I work on it. Thanks. WikiCpa ( talk) 16:18, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I have added some more content and organized the layout of the Education section. I request editors to please refrain from expanding content with verbose additions and instead help in tightening the language/content. Please add references if I have omitted any.Other comments:
Hi, I have seen some of the recent edits and I think to follow Wiki guidelines it is important for the article to be clear and concise. For example all the nitty-gritty details of the Disciplinary process can be omitted as they make the article too verbose. The idea is to give brief, clear information so that an interested party can get more information. Similarly, I think the section on the examination subjects is too detailed. For style of writing also we need to omit opinions and avoid redundant language.
I will be adding some more information on Article Training since that is an important part of what the Institute does and on placements. Please feel free to add/clean up as necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiCpa ( talk • contribs) 07:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
If ICAI members are either ACA or FCA, then why does this article prefix the office-holders' names with "CA"? - Fayenatic (talk) 14:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Can someone review the article in its currently revised form and remove the tag "needs to be expanded" as an Article Issue ? With all the additions and improvements the ICAI article now seems to have enough information even as compared to its counterparts the AICPA etc. Does anyone know how we can request for approval of the tag to be removed. WikiCpa ( talk) 05:50, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
In response to the request on my talk page, here are some comments:
I haven't checked prose or image licensing, so there may be other issues in those areas. I'm also not an accounting expert, so there may be broadness/comprehensiveness issues that I have missed. I would suggest working on the above issues before nominating for GA, although the article is much closer now than it was when I last reviewed it. Dana boomer ( talk) 21:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I see that often persons with vested interest in ICWAI, try to bring disrepute to ICAI by editing this article. I dont know what happiness they get by doing so. These persons always tend to be unregistered users hence we are unable to contact then for consensus and requesting them not to do it again. Recently there were few such edits by one such person. He claims that ICAI is not the sole licensing and regulating authority of audit and accountancy profession in India. He fails to understand that accountancy generally means financial accounting and not any other form of accountancy. Similarly he claims that ICAI is not responsible to issue accounting standards. He fails to understand that the accounting standard issued by ICAI are applicable to all entities other than companies. Further the National Advisory Committee on Accounting Standards (NACAS) can only consider Accounting Standards recommended by ICAI and does not have suo motu authority. Further NACAS does not issue or notify the Accounting Standards applicable for companies by the Central Government of India. It will be in the best interest of these persons with vested interest not to indulge in such vandalism and instead develop the article of ICWAI with lags behind in a lot of issues. There they can claim that ICWAI is the sole licensing and regulating authority of cost accountancy profession in India. R.Sivanesh ✆ 11:15, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I've semi-protected the article for a week. Please use this time to discuss your concerns on the talk page and build consensus and I suggest that the relevant text not be deleted without a reasonable attempt at consensus. -- rgpk ( comment) 16:55, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
The Council of ICAI decided to change the nomenclature of PE-II/PCC/IPCC examinations to Intermediate examination.[ [5]]. So this article has to be updated to reflect this change. I am not sure how to do that..So somebody pls help. {{help}}-- Vi1618 ( talk) 02:18, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
ohhhkk SivaneshR.. i guss u r right.-- Vi1618 ( talk) 01:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
There is no mention in the article about the important committees like Board of Studies, Standing committee etc. Similarly nothing about its monthly magzine. Lastly there should be mention of controversies and cticism of the Institute. Thanks Shyamsunder ( talk) 09:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
Accounting Technicians are not Members of ICAI so do not add Accounting Technician or AT in the member's designations in the article stub.
The whole article has been rewritten and edited to resolve the copyright violations. I kindly request users not to blindly copy contents from ICAI website since all ICAI.org contents are copyrighted in favour of ICAI. Hence be careful while adding content, else the article may be blocked for copyright concerns once again similar to what happened on 25 March 2010. R.Sivanesh Proud to be an Indian ( talk)
please understand that wikipedia is not an online-classified server. And consider restraning yourself from adding your firms name and contact details in the Notable section.
If you're really NOTABLE , someone else will do it..and it will look much like a reference rather than an advertisement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Everdawn ( talk • contribs) 14:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I thought it would be better to get the notable CA Firms Tab removed. After all the Institute's members are supposed to be Equal Citizens of the Brotherhood. Further no member can claim himself to be superior over another. Hence I got the topic removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.89.20.129 ( talk) 16:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
On 25 March 2010, this article was tagged for copyright concerns, though no source was identified. Investigation suggests that most of the lead is copied verbatim from the official website. A good bit of the other material seems to be duplicated in this February 2009 document [1]. The copyright status of this material needs to be clarified, I'm afraid before we are able to publish it on Wikipedia. If the content is imported, we will need to verify licensing. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials if you are the copyright owner, or Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission if you are not.
I have removed some extensive quotations in accordance with non-free content policy and guideline. I'm afraid we are only to use brief quotations unless licensing for this material is also verified. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:49, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: [2], [3] and [4]. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:40, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
The text at the top of Accounting Standards Issued by ICAI should be merged here to the extent that it is not present already. The table is not needed in Wikipedia as it does not meet WP:General notability guideline. The separate article on auditing standards is of no interest to readers of a general encyclopedia and should be deleted. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
I propose that the list of past presidents should be removed. Wikipedia is a encyclopaedia so it should contain only information which is useful to all users. The list of past presidents does not serve any purpose. That too a lengthy list like this will make the the article ugly and awkward. You may further note that this article is a been failed as a good article nominee 3 times. So the concentration at this point should be to improvise on this aspect and get the good article status. So unnecessary info like this should be removed and quality should be improved. I request your views in this regard. R.Sivanesh (Talk) 04:20, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
A few exceptional cases will not lend the professional reputation of Chartered Accountants fade out. Even today soo much of trust and confidence is vested on Chartered Accountants in India. Hence citing individual cases, one cannot question the reputation of a profession. User:Costfavour seem to say that after sathyam fiasco no one trusts chartered accountants. Its like saying after enron scandal,it was dooms day for the whole CPA profession in the US. Hence reputation of Indian CAs cannot be questioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SivaneshR ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Even after my rewriting so far, the article is still confusing on the impossibility of a charter. It says there is no Royal Charter because India is a Republic, but states that the CA Act was passed before India became a republic. I'm not sure I understand India's political status in the period 1947-1950; could a Charter have been possible? I accept that the constituting document was an Act rather than a charter, but some further clarification in this article would be worthwhile. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:51, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I highly reprimand the user who has replaced the ICAI Emblem with the CA Logo. Both CA Logo and ICAI Emblem are two separate identities of ICAI. It is not that the new Logo has replaced the ICAI Emblem. CA Logo was introduced to create brand image for the CA Professional and not as a replacement of the ICAI. ICAI emblem alone should find place in the infobox. The details of the logo may be added elsewhere. Hence I am undoing all the edits done by the issue. However I must respect the intentions of the user to add details about CA Logo. R.Sivanesh ✆ 16:01, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
The present intro is just a copy paste from the ICAI website. hence someone please write a nice brand new intro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SivaneshR ( talk • contribs) 15:17, 24 March 2010 (UTC) new templates added —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.164.157.170 ( talk) 11:21, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
I have added some sections to expand on the content. However the layout needs some work. Can the author who has added Presidents move it under the title "Council of The Institute". I would recommend removing "notable" presidents and only keep the first and the current presidents. Also please add the emblem of the Institute - not sure if it was there earlier and someone has removed it. It is available on the ICAI website. I have yet to add a few references so please be patient over the next few days while I work on it. Thanks. WikiCpa ( talk) 16:18, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I have added some more content and organized the layout of the Education section. I request editors to please refrain from expanding content with verbose additions and instead help in tightening the language/content. Please add references if I have omitted any.Other comments:
Hi, I have seen some of the recent edits and I think to follow Wiki guidelines it is important for the article to be clear and concise. For example all the nitty-gritty details of the Disciplinary process can be omitted as they make the article too verbose. The idea is to give brief, clear information so that an interested party can get more information. Similarly, I think the section on the examination subjects is too detailed. For style of writing also we need to omit opinions and avoid redundant language.
I will be adding some more information on Article Training since that is an important part of what the Institute does and on placements. Please feel free to add/clean up as necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiCpa ( talk • contribs) 07:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
If ICAI members are either ACA or FCA, then why does this article prefix the office-holders' names with "CA"? - Fayenatic (talk) 14:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Can someone review the article in its currently revised form and remove the tag "needs to be expanded" as an Article Issue ? With all the additions and improvements the ICAI article now seems to have enough information even as compared to its counterparts the AICPA etc. Does anyone know how we can request for approval of the tag to be removed. WikiCpa ( talk) 05:50, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
In response to the request on my talk page, here are some comments:
I haven't checked prose or image licensing, so there may be other issues in those areas. I'm also not an accounting expert, so there may be broadness/comprehensiveness issues that I have missed. I would suggest working on the above issues before nominating for GA, although the article is much closer now than it was when I last reviewed it. Dana boomer ( talk) 21:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I see that often persons with vested interest in ICWAI, try to bring disrepute to ICAI by editing this article. I dont know what happiness they get by doing so. These persons always tend to be unregistered users hence we are unable to contact then for consensus and requesting them not to do it again. Recently there were few such edits by one such person. He claims that ICAI is not the sole licensing and regulating authority of audit and accountancy profession in India. He fails to understand that accountancy generally means financial accounting and not any other form of accountancy. Similarly he claims that ICAI is not responsible to issue accounting standards. He fails to understand that the accounting standard issued by ICAI are applicable to all entities other than companies. Further the National Advisory Committee on Accounting Standards (NACAS) can only consider Accounting Standards recommended by ICAI and does not have suo motu authority. Further NACAS does not issue or notify the Accounting Standards applicable for companies by the Central Government of India. It will be in the best interest of these persons with vested interest not to indulge in such vandalism and instead develop the article of ICWAI with lags behind in a lot of issues. There they can claim that ICWAI is the sole licensing and regulating authority of cost accountancy profession in India. R.Sivanesh ✆ 11:15, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I've semi-protected the article for a week. Please use this time to discuss your concerns on the talk page and build consensus and I suggest that the relevant text not be deleted without a reasonable attempt at consensus. -- rgpk ( comment) 16:55, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
The Council of ICAI decided to change the nomenclature of PE-II/PCC/IPCC examinations to Intermediate examination.[ [5]]. So this article has to be updated to reflect this change. I am not sure how to do that..So somebody pls help. {{help}}-- Vi1618 ( talk) 02:18, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
ohhhkk SivaneshR.. i guss u r right.-- Vi1618 ( talk) 01:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
There is no mention in the article about the important committees like Board of Studies, Standing committee etc. Similarly nothing about its monthly magzine. Lastly there should be mention of controversies and cticism of the Institute. Thanks Shyamsunder ( talk) 09:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
http://www.subaa.in/Professional-Coaching.html http://ca-icwa-acs-coaching.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subaaedu ( talk • contribs) 10:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
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