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In the intial bio section there makes reference to the institute's connection to Humanity+. However, the reference given is old, and I cannot find this connection on their website. Does anyone have any idea when this connection was formally broken? Is it worth noting? The phrase and citation in question are "The IEET works with Humanity Plus (also founded and chaired by Bostrom and Hughes, and previously known as the World Transhumanist Association),[8]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by EthicsScholar93 ( talk • contribs) 23:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
I think this is notable, because these two founders certainly are. I'm not sure how to handle the complex of multiple x-refs and overlapping articles. Best thing to do may be to reduce it and combine it (into this article, probably), but there are 3rd party sources, so i will remove the prod. DGG 05:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
James Hughes is the sole director now, which I think is only inferred on the page, however clearer on their newser site. Likewise, most references to their site is an old version which seems to not exist anymore. Their updated site changes much of the material on this page. EthicsScholar93 ( talk) 13:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC) EthicsScholar93 3:58, 25 September 2020 (CET)
But: what is the source for the list of fields of interest? Looking carefully at the links, they seem to be selected on the basis of having WP articles. DGG 22:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Are there any sources for the section on W.S. that has just been added.? DGG 01:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I have removed both of the bios on fellows of the center. this is not relevant material to an article on the subject. If they are notable, write articles about them. DGG ( talk) 08:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I have updated the bio of Kris Notario, which left the IEET soon after 2012. Hank Pellissier, which was the managing director of IEET for many years (until 2016) is not mentioned, that has been updated. I have added, based on the IEET page, that Steven Umbrello is the new managing director (since 2016 according to his profile and institution CV) and added Marcello Rinesi as the CTO (no date). Anyone have a date on the latter? EthicsScholar93 ( talk) 14:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
There doesn't appear to be any. The only two things that might be editorially-reviewed RSes (Slate and Reason) mention it only in passing. If this is noteworthy, the evidence needs to be clear in the article - David Gerard ( talk) 13:33, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
I created a notable members section, see [1], and a user deleted it due to Wikipedia's prohibition against directories. Creating a notable members section is not a directory and is an accepted Wikipedia practice if the listed members are actually notable. Wikipedia even has a consensus accepted template for building a notable members section. See Template:Member and Template:Mem. Another think tank, the Cato Institute, has a very large notable members section with even subsections. See Cato_Institute#Notable_Cato_experts. And a search of Wikipedia using the phrase "Notable members" gives hundreds of articles with "Notable members" sections. See search [2]. Why should this article not be allowed to create a "Notable members" section if it uses the Wikipedia accepted template or follows the same format at the Cato Institute? Waters.Justin ( talk) 16:54, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
That's the curious thing about the folks at the Stanford conference. Some were from the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies, an offshoot of the World Transhumanist Association, which advocates the transformation of our species through drugs, "genetic engineering, information technology ... nanotechnology, machine intelligence, uploading, and space colonization." [...] These are weird people with weird ideas. But sometimes it takes a weirdo to see what's odd about what the rest of us call normal. [...] Maybe the cockeyed thinking of transhumanists is what allows them to see the illogic of the way we dope kids with caffeine while banning other stimulants. Maybe that's why they find it odd that we denounce steroids as cheating but ignore athletes who get Lasik or muscle-enhancing surgery. Maybe that's why they look back at the doubling of human life expectancy in the last century and wonder why we shouldn't try to double it again. To our hunter-gatherer ancestors, they figure, we already look posthuman. Meanwhile, they look at cyborg technology and see in it what's human.
— Slate.com national correspondent William Saletan
The Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies has become in my view, and possibly always was, a stealthy organization seeking to help legitimize the institutional positions and media reputations of key members of the World Transhumanist Organization, the better to increase membership and funding for that and other transhumanists organizations, as well as to mainstream the specific assertions of belief shared by those who identify as "transhumanists" in particular, under cover of a more serious discourse about emerging technoscientific change more generally. There is nothing wrong with such an agenda (even if I don't personally agree with it), although it seems to me that for the same reasons that the WTA website is not likely to achieve, in its explicit transhumanist form, either mainstream or academic respectability any time soon, neither would IEET were its apparently insistent connection to the WTA better known.
— Former IEET Human Rights Fellow Dale Carrico
These quotes are too long and just stuck at the bottom of the article without context. Not sure what to do with them. Darx9url ( talk) 00:55, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
The Institute, or its academic journal, has been mentioned by CNBC,[1] the New York Times,[2][3][4] BBC,[5] CoinDesk,[6] the Christian Science Monitor,[7] and Huffington Post,[8] the Atlantic,[9] io9,[10] Forbes,[11] the Boston Globe,[12] Scientific American,[13] Discover magazine,[14]The Wall Street Journal,[15] and Slate magazine[16]
I have restored the cleanup tag. Just as an example, the current reference 6, is only an in-passing mention of the institute and does not support the statement made in the preceding phrase. -- Randykitty ( talk) 12:38, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Most of these links are quite old and do not reflect what appears to be their new site, missions etc. Not sure where to start. Can anyone begin updating the references here? EthicsScholar93 ( talk) 14:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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Not sure if this is still true "Programs In 2006, the IEET launched the following activities...'. This is more than a decade ago, can we confirm that they are still the ongoing programs? EthicsScholar93 ( talk) 06:56, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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In the intial bio section there makes reference to the institute's connection to Humanity+. However, the reference given is old, and I cannot find this connection on their website. Does anyone have any idea when this connection was formally broken? Is it worth noting? The phrase and citation in question are "The IEET works with Humanity Plus (also founded and chaired by Bostrom and Hughes, and previously known as the World Transhumanist Association),[8]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by EthicsScholar93 ( talk • contribs) 23:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
I think this is notable, because these two founders certainly are. I'm not sure how to handle the complex of multiple x-refs and overlapping articles. Best thing to do may be to reduce it and combine it (into this article, probably), but there are 3rd party sources, so i will remove the prod. DGG 05:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
James Hughes is the sole director now, which I think is only inferred on the page, however clearer on their newser site. Likewise, most references to their site is an old version which seems to not exist anymore. Their updated site changes much of the material on this page. EthicsScholar93 ( talk) 13:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC) EthicsScholar93 3:58, 25 September 2020 (CET)
But: what is the source for the list of fields of interest? Looking carefully at the links, they seem to be selected on the basis of having WP articles. DGG 22:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Are there any sources for the section on W.S. that has just been added.? DGG 01:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I have removed both of the bios on fellows of the center. this is not relevant material to an article on the subject. If they are notable, write articles about them. DGG ( talk) 08:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I have updated the bio of Kris Notario, which left the IEET soon after 2012. Hank Pellissier, which was the managing director of IEET for many years (until 2016) is not mentioned, that has been updated. I have added, based on the IEET page, that Steven Umbrello is the new managing director (since 2016 according to his profile and institution CV) and added Marcello Rinesi as the CTO (no date). Anyone have a date on the latter? EthicsScholar93 ( talk) 14:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
There doesn't appear to be any. The only two things that might be editorially-reviewed RSes (Slate and Reason) mention it only in passing. If this is noteworthy, the evidence needs to be clear in the article - David Gerard ( talk) 13:33, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
I created a notable members section, see [1], and a user deleted it due to Wikipedia's prohibition against directories. Creating a notable members section is not a directory and is an accepted Wikipedia practice if the listed members are actually notable. Wikipedia even has a consensus accepted template for building a notable members section. See Template:Member and Template:Mem. Another think tank, the Cato Institute, has a very large notable members section with even subsections. See Cato_Institute#Notable_Cato_experts. And a search of Wikipedia using the phrase "Notable members" gives hundreds of articles with "Notable members" sections. See search [2]. Why should this article not be allowed to create a "Notable members" section if it uses the Wikipedia accepted template or follows the same format at the Cato Institute? Waters.Justin ( talk) 16:54, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
That's the curious thing about the folks at the Stanford conference. Some were from the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies, an offshoot of the World Transhumanist Association, which advocates the transformation of our species through drugs, "genetic engineering, information technology ... nanotechnology, machine intelligence, uploading, and space colonization." [...] These are weird people with weird ideas. But sometimes it takes a weirdo to see what's odd about what the rest of us call normal. [...] Maybe the cockeyed thinking of transhumanists is what allows them to see the illogic of the way we dope kids with caffeine while banning other stimulants. Maybe that's why they find it odd that we denounce steroids as cheating but ignore athletes who get Lasik or muscle-enhancing surgery. Maybe that's why they look back at the doubling of human life expectancy in the last century and wonder why we shouldn't try to double it again. To our hunter-gatherer ancestors, they figure, we already look posthuman. Meanwhile, they look at cyborg technology and see in it what's human.
— Slate.com national correspondent William Saletan
The Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies has become in my view, and possibly always was, a stealthy organization seeking to help legitimize the institutional positions and media reputations of key members of the World Transhumanist Organization, the better to increase membership and funding for that and other transhumanists organizations, as well as to mainstream the specific assertions of belief shared by those who identify as "transhumanists" in particular, under cover of a more serious discourse about emerging technoscientific change more generally. There is nothing wrong with such an agenda (even if I don't personally agree with it), although it seems to me that for the same reasons that the WTA website is not likely to achieve, in its explicit transhumanist form, either mainstream or academic respectability any time soon, neither would IEET were its apparently insistent connection to the WTA better known.
— Former IEET Human Rights Fellow Dale Carrico
These quotes are too long and just stuck at the bottom of the article without context. Not sure what to do with them. Darx9url ( talk) 00:55, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
The Institute, or its academic journal, has been mentioned by CNBC,[1] the New York Times,[2][3][4] BBC,[5] CoinDesk,[6] the Christian Science Monitor,[7] and Huffington Post,[8] the Atlantic,[9] io9,[10] Forbes,[11] the Boston Globe,[12] Scientific American,[13] Discover magazine,[14]The Wall Street Journal,[15] and Slate magazine[16]
I have restored the cleanup tag. Just as an example, the current reference 6, is only an in-passing mention of the institute and does not support the statement made in the preceding phrase. -- Randykitty ( talk) 12:38, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Most of these links are quite old and do not reflect what appears to be their new site, missions etc. Not sure where to start. Can anyone begin updating the references here? EthicsScholar93 ( talk) 14:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. |
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Not sure if this is still true "Programs In 2006, the IEET launched the following activities...'. This is more than a decade ago, can we confirm that they are still the ongoing programs? EthicsScholar93 ( talk) 06:56, 26 September 2020 (UTC)