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I changed a statement because Outer Mongolia didn't really become part of the Qing empire before 1688/91, and the Inner Mongolian were not all subjugated by the Manchu - a number of them joined voluntarily because they felt alienated by Ligden Khan. Yaan 12:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
The Hohhot article states that the city became capital of the IMAR in 1947. This article states that the IMAR initially only covered Hulunbuir. At least one of the two is wrong, and maybe both. Yaan 17:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Using it to denominate GDP numbers doesn't make much sense. Should just use US dollars like everyone else, so that meaningful comparisons can easily be made. Theige ( talk) 23:05, 17 November 2009 (UTC)Theige
I have deleted the second paragraph in the government and politics section. It was full of biased, and more importantly, unsourced opinions, and completely disregard the neutrality standard. The so called reference listed in the paragraph was a broken link to a non-existent website (www1.chinesenewsnet.com).
Example: "...politics, however, has had a history of concentrating more on showpiece projects, such as widening roads, building architecturally exotic buildings, etc., as opposed to dealing with the needs of the overwhelming majority. The superficial development is often done to impress the central government."
-Where is the source for that, and who was the one giving that obvious biased opinion? How is infrastructure development that creates jobs and better living conditions, showpiece projects done to "impress the government?" Are all newly built buildings with contemporary designs different from the decade, maybe even century-old architecture considered exotic and unneeded? What is the "need for the overwhelming majority?"
Another example from the paragraph: "As a direct result, Chu's governing style is known to be the new autonomy political wave where leaders in Autonomous Regions, Shanghai, and Guangdong in particular deviate policy in opposition to central government directives."
-His governing style is known by whom? Where did you get the fact that Shanghai and Guangdong deviates their policies?
Obviously my view on that matter is completely different, I apologize if my previous comments seem like I want to open a political debate, I don't, especially not here. It is important that personal opinions such as mine, or those contained originally in the deleted paragraph, cannot be included in the article. This problem is seen in many articles, and neutrality as well as removal of personal or unreliably-source opinions has to be enforced. Thus I removed the paragraph to make the article as neutral as possible. The first paragraph also needs editing but its tone and lack of neutrality is not as blatant. Please discuss before you make anymore changes in this section. Chen19711 ( talk) 05:37, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I shortened the abbreviation to the Meng character, in accordance to how this is handled for the other parts of China, like Ningxia or Tibet. Yaan 16:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
While the correct pinyin for 內蒙古 is of course Nèi Měnggǔ, the official PRC transscription for 內蒙古 (as used in passports etc) seems indeed to be Nei Monggol. The Chinese even had an asteroid named after it! So, which transscription should be used - Menggu, Monggol, or both? Yaan 13:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Nei Mongol Zizhiqu (with only one 'g', though) is used in the 1989 Atlas of the People's Republic of China by China Foreign Language Press and the China Cartographic Publishing House (page: 2). The same goes for the The national agricultural atlas of the People's Republic of China (more precisely, the English translation thereof) from the same year by the China Cartographic Publishing House (p: ~138). I guess this is official enough for the moment, unless you have newer info to confirms the contrary. Until then, I'm going to restore the mention of Nei Mongol (with one 'g' for the time being) in the intro sentence.
The Atlas of the PRC also lists as short name 'Nei Mongol', in contrast to all the other provinces and ARs that only use one-character short names. But since the table entry reads "Abbreviation", I think using only Meng is OK, since it is indeed a common abbreviation, for example on car plaques. Yaan 15:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Why is it "Nèi Měnggǔ" and not "Nèiměnggǔ"? The Pinyin rules for geographical names clearly states that commonly used proper names should be written together even if it includes parts that would normally be written apart (“通名已专名化的,按专名处理”). That's why it's "Hēilóngjiāng" and not "Hēilóng Jiāng", and "Nèiměnggǔ" should be exactly the same. Besides, I haven't seen any convincing proof that "Nèi Měnggǔ" is indeed "official". 85.180.65.236 ( talk) 01:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I've added the official Mongolian names for most of the colleges and universities listed.
Just to clarify, Chifeng University is simply 'ulaγanqada degedü surγaγuli' - the genitive is optional in names of the form <proper noun> + <college>; it is only strictly necessary when a word between the proper noun and the word 'college' or 'university' needs to act attributively. Compare 'begejing yeke surγaγuli'/'ulaγanqada degedü surγaγuli' with 'öbür mongγol-un emnelge-yin degedü surγaγuli'/'öbür mongγol-un aju üiledbüri-yin yeke surγaγuli'. -- emyrpugh (emyrpugh) ( talk) 01:32, 26 January 2010
It seems many articles are not equiped with Mongolian language (in some article the English name had to transcripted from Hanyu Pinyin). Please update additional information of articles related to Mongol Autonomous areas refering this map in Mongolian language. Thank you! -- 虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ( talk) 07:32, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I partially reverted one edit in the polictics section, as Inner mongolia is not just any province of china. It's called an autonomous region, therefore the fact that the most powerful person is from somewhere else is somewhat special, even if this is normal for the provinces. Yaan ( talk) 11:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Someone has deleted the remark about the usual ethnicity of inner mongolia's cpc secretaries again. Chu Bo and Liu Mingzu are both Han Chinese according to http://chinavitae.com/biography/Chu_Bo and http://chinavitae.com/biography/Liu_Mingzu/bio. Wang Qun seems to be Han Chinese via http://cpc.people.com.cn/GB/64162/64168/64566/65447/4441805.html (I don't really speak Chinese, but the list seems to give an indication in brackets if someone is female or member of a minority. 王群 appears without such a remark. Zhou Hui 周惠 seems to be Han according to http://cpc.people.com.cn/GB/64162/64168/64565/65448/4429494.html, and You Taizhong 尤太忠 seems to be Han Chinese according to http://cpc.people.com.cn/GB/64162/64168/64562/65450/4429429.html. So, unless someone tells me I mixed people up or got something else seriously wrong, I am going to re-add something along the lines of "Since the cultural revolution, the region's party secretaries are usually Han Chinese" some time after Christmas. Yaan ( talk) 20:54, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information about Zhou Hui, one of Inner Mongolia's CPC secretaries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayjen8 ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Zhou Hui, native of Guannan, Jiangsu,is ethnic Han. [2] 134.76.63.49 ( talk) 00:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
ᠺᠢᠷᠢᠯᠯ ᠦᠰᠡᠭ ᠪᠣᠯ ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠬᠡᠯᠡᠨ᠋ ᠡ ᠬᠡᠷᠡᠭᠯᠡᠳᠡᠭ ᠨᠢᠭᠡᠨ ᠪᠢᠴᠢᠭ ᠮᠥᠨ ᠳᠣᠯᠠ ᠪᠢᠳᠡᠭᠡᠢ ᠠᠷᠢᠯᠭᠠᠷᠠᠢ᠃ ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠋ ᠢᠠᠷ ᠬᠠᠷᠢᠭᠣᠯᠪᠠᠯ ᠪᠠᠶᠠᠷᠯᠠᠮᠣᠢ᠃ ༄༅།།གང་ཐུ་ཡཱ།། ( talk) 15:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
To User:Benlisquare: The name of Inner Mongolia should be shown in Cyrillic, because this is one of the modern scripts of the Mongolian language which is the language of the indigenous population of Inner Mongolia. I see that you don't know the Cyrillic alphabet. Yet I have seen you cannot read the Traditional Mongolian script. Because Mongolian is not your native language. Nevertheless, please put aside your xenophobia and cooperate to solve the issue in a friendly manner. ༄༅།།གང་ཐུ་ཡཱ།། ( talk) 15:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
(dedent) Any language and any script would "add information", so that alone is not a valid argument to include any of them. WP:DRDR is a very obscure essay (the personal opinion of one editor), not a guideline. Since the vast majority of our "dear readers" can read neither cyrillic nor mongolian script, I don't quite see how it is relevant here. I also don't understand what you're trying to say with your last paragraph. A script is foreign to a place where the locals have never used it for their own purposes. No gut feeling is involved in that definition at all. -- Latebird ( talk) 09:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
From a practical point of view, it is very nice for an encyclopedia to cover Cyrillic-Uyghurjin conversion for Mongolian proper names.
-- Nanshu ( talk) 13:34, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
The link to SMHRIC should be removed. To be clear, SMHRIC is not a general human rights clearinghouse, as some of the better known international organizations are. This is an organization with an exclusive focus on the ethnic Mongol minority, and that by its name and publications wants to annex this region to Mongolia, thereby disenfranchising the majority population of this region. Even if this organization were a well-respected human rights organization with a broad focus, and not a fringe ethnic separatist organization, the obviously biased presentation would still be odious to common sense and established policy. Also, HXL49's comparison between this group and the Inner Mongolia official website is a false equivalence, because links to official websites of the subject are encouraged, and they are always uniquely useful. This article should not be a vehicle for anti-CPC activism. Quigley ( talk) 05:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank you ALL for your patience. I'll be back soon. ༄༅།།གང་ཐུ་ཡཱ།། ( talk) 13:59, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Gantuya let's see who is hardline here. Narangoa is certainly not "neutral", if it holds the "taming" viewpoint. Administrative information is obviously far more neutral, as long as it avoids politics. -- HXL 's Roundtable, and Record 14:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
This article is incomplete in the sense that it does not say anything of how Mongols are suppressed under long-hated Chinese yoke. How they we brutally tortured during the so-called "culture revolution" of that so called Mau zeetuun. Someone who knows the data please publicese in this article how many Inner MOngolians were killed, how many were jailed and how many disabled during MAuism at crude paws of han chinese. A few years a young Inner Mongolian poet died in jail. He was arrested only because he wrote a poem about his dream to see Kharkhorin. Another Inner Mongolian liberty seeker was kidnapped at the doors of the UN office in Ulaanbaatar by Chinese secret police, which doesn't hesitate to kidnap people at the territory of other soveeiring states. Such prominent fighters for freedom and independence of Mongols such as Ulaangerel and others must be named in this article. Wikipedia is reflection of truth, not an instrument of propaganda of Chinese COmmunist party, and chinese intelligence. The liberation movement IS part of the history of Inner Mongolia. THis is article is mere propaganda hiding that aspects. Monkh Naran ( talk) 02:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
And this link http://www.smhric.org must stay in this article. This organization must be mentioned explixitly because this is part of Inner Mongolia and of it's people. This is not the only organization. THere are many more. Their websites must be found and added to this article. Wikipedia is NOT for chinese taste. Sorry for this tough, strong, powerful, streigt forward Mongol tone. It comes from me natural. Monkh Naran ( talk) 02:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
@ Kim Han Gul:
You keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 00:34, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Gantuya, having a picture just for the sake of "decorating" an article violates our image use policy. And I simply won't tolerate accusations of censorship from pests like you who can't see a mention of several purges and other things at the bottom of the history section. -- HXL 's Roundtable, and Record 15:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Gantuya eng's idea can be quoted as: a human rights link balance a administrative link, 2 human rights links balance 2 administrative links. –– 虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 14:04, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi everyone, why not try to make Wikipiedia be a more pleasure and less political place? If Wikipedia is political-oriented, then North Korea and Soviet Union for example will contain a lot of such links, and the photos of all leaders and activists should be shown. It will be an excellent gallery. -:) -- MettALS ( talk) 05:18, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
The script in the top of the infobox displays wrongly (vertically, but from right to left instead left to right) on the computer I currently use (Windows Vista, IE7). Also, the word Monggol looks strange - the ng, more precisely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaan ( talk • contribs) 01:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Nice job with the image. I think it is a significant improvement, even if not perfect, since the text can now be seen by everyone. This sort of thing should be done more often, especially with rare scripts like Mongolian that most people don't have the special fonts for. shoeofdeath 07:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
-- Brettz9 ( talk) 13:21, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I am a new user and i preferred to discuss the followwing matter in the talk page before editing it, or asking that anyone edits it.
Shouldn't the section "Languages and dialects" of the table updated with Chinese and Mongolian languages and maybe some minnor ethnic groups like russians or koreans?
Breizhcatalonia1993 ( talk) 10:08, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there a reliable source that states that Baotou is still unambiguously the 'largest city' in Inner Mongolia, over Hohhot? Also, how do we define largest city? Are we incorporating the prefecture as a whole? The urban population? It may be better to write the lede with more nuance? Colipon+( Talk) 02:13, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
After coming across this little list of some recent editions of foreign literature translated into Mongolian, I wondered if similar work is being done in Inner Mongolia? Any idea where on could find out? Yaan ( talk) 22:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
The Qing Emperors noted the rising Han population in Chengde so they detached it from Inner Mongolia and attached it to Hebei instead.
http://www.phil-fak.uni-koeln.de/fileadmin/chinastudien/papers/No_1998-1.pdf
Rajmaan ( talk) 22:54, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
A Sogdian Colony in Inner Mongolia Edwin G. Pulleyblank T'oung Pao Second Series, Vol. 41, Livr. 4/5 (1952), pp. 317-356 Published by: BRILL Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4527336
http://www.jstor.org/discover/4527336?sid=21104974115831&uid=2&uid=2129&uid=3739256&uid=70&uid=4
http://booksandjournals.brillonline.com/content/journals/10.1163/156853252x00094?crawler=true
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/240680640_A_Sogdian_Colony_in_Inner_Mongolia
http://www.cais-soas. com/CAIS/Culture/peculiarities_sogdian.htm
Rajmaan ( talk) 05:03, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Advocating to correct the result of wrong translation of Mongolian words "Öbür" and "Ar" and to use “Southern" and "Northern" instead of "Inner" and "Outer" for Mongolian divisions has its undeniable justifiability. Wikipedia has always been one-sided, in which the editing community largely lean toward Chinese propaganda side, due merely to the numeric advantage of Chinese presence fueled by Chinese national as well as imperial mindset. Wikipedia, mostly consisted of Westerners who are ignorant of oriental matters, out of convenience decided only to go by the Chinese propaganda and even cracked down on minority Mongolian attempts to make correction in this article several times. One of those imperial minded Chinese even put in this article the following line: "In Chinese, the region is known as "Inner Mongolia", where the terms of "Inner/Outer" are derived from Manchu dorgi/tulergi (cf. Mongolian dotugadu/gadagadu)" This is totally baseless, ignorant, ridiculous and most of all, outright arrogant. It's long overdue that this history should end, folks. Come to your sense and research the subject with humbleness, and enough thoroughness. Here is an article in which the author, a Mongol writer from Southern Mongolia, states the origin of the words and Mongolian side of the understanding of his own nation's names: 大清国把蒙古分成内、外两部,位于漠南并先于北方加入到大清国的部分叫“内蒙古”,这是以大清国为中心的具有殖民色彩的名称,因此当代蒙古人逐渐摒弃这一名称,取而代之,恢复原有的“漠南蒙古”,简称南蒙古。 Link: http://www.smhric.org/Chino_415.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.141.66 ( talk) 16:52, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
"In Mongolian, the region is known as öbör mongγol where öbör can mean south, inner, front, bosom, breast."
In Turkish, which has some loan words from Mongolian, "öbür" means "other". Can Mongolian word have the same meaning which would make the "öbür mongyul", the "Other Mongolia"? - IIIIIIIII ( talk) 00:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be any information about religion in Inner Mongolia, even in the statistics. Buddhism was obviously a strong force in the area at one time. When did it come there and what place does it hold in modern Inner Mongolia? Dadadaddyo ( talk) 05:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
It came with the conquest of Tibet and China (mainly Tibet as Mongolian Buddhism is basically Tibetan Buddhism). Its still a strong force but has been suppresed somewhat (barely to be honest) by the state due to connections to Tibetan Buddhism and the Dalai Lama. There are monastaries near all the major cities and religious ceremony is still carried out. Due to the large number of ethnic Chinese in Inner Mongolia, there are many Chinese Buddhist ("blue" Buddhist as opposed to the "yellow" Tibetan Buddhism) Temples as well. (dont know how to sign) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.37.150 ( talk) 01:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
What about Tengerism and other pagan beliefs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.81.170 ( talk) 01:24, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Recently somebody have mentioned a term 漠南蒙古. Here I must say that the term 漠南蒙古 is different to “Southern Mongolia”. “Southern Mongolia”=Front Mongolia=Inner Mongolia include both 漠南蒙古 (Chahar, Ordos), 漠北蒙古 (Halh), 漠西蒙古 (Four Oirats) and Bargu-Buriat. 漠南蒙古 is a tribe/aimag name, rather than aregion name. –– 虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 14:16, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Mongolian lands in Russia, are what in Mandarin? Super-outer Mongolians (from Space)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.81.170 ( talk) 01:29, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
The beginning paragraph originally only shows "s" and "c" for Mongolian script and Cyrillic. I have changed it to show "Mongolian script" and "Cyrillic" instead. -- Cartakes ( talk) 22:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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There is a large gap of history missing between when 'Inner Mongolia' as we know today were traditionally inhabited by Mongols (and ethnic Manchus to some extent in the north-east corner) to the colonization and settling of Han Chinese today which makes over 80% nowadays of the population. This narrative needs to be explained, specially under Qing Rule, yet someone keeps editing and minimising this important part of Inner Mongolian history to a mere 'revisionist' sentence or two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.81.170 ( talk) 01:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
I have added Template:npov-section template to the "Communist era" section because its content is now biased. Hope someone can cleanup for it, thanks! -- Evecurid ( talk) 02:44, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
These western media articles about Ordos do not mention any corruption or waste. There is no ghost town there. It's just a media phase used when Chinese do long-term urban development. See Under-occupied developments in China "Some journalists have pointed to the Ordos Kangbashi ghost city stories as an example of media hastily and often misinformed reporting of developments in China. Reporting that often eschews perspectives of local officials and experts in favor attracting readers unfamiliar with China’s development model and bemused at China's perceived backwardness". Having been to Kangbashi_District, it is a functioning city. This is all outdated. 220.240.17.118 ( talk) 14:38, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
It is good for people to be interested in their own country. People of Mongolic origin live in many countries in the world, including republic of Mongolia, China, Russia, Central Asian states, and so on. Similarly, people of Spanish origin also live in many countries in the world, such as Spain, Mexico, South American and African countries. Each citizen has their country to love, though not necessary the same country, even if they originally belong to the same origin. Mexico is arguably the biggest Spanish-speaking country, though obviously Spanish people living in Peru does not need to love Mexico, but will love and protect Peru. This is very normal, but these people will live peacefully together, even though they are from different countries. -- MettALS ( talk) 07:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Wouldn't an article like Northern Ireland be listed as both British and Irish topics? Same vis-a-vis Kosovo with Albania and Serbia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.81.170 ( talk) 01:27, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
I don't have a personal bias in this discussion, but I am very surprised that there is no mention of what is referred to as the Jindandao Incident. [1]. Surely a massacre of (some estimate) 500,000 people, and a precursor to 20th century acts of genocide, would be a topic that must be addressed in the history pages. It does look, to an outsider, rather like a strong pro-chinese bias when an event of that magnitude just "goes missing". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AA16:587F:FF80:B967:9233:C790:21F5 ( talk) 23:14, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
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Where's the map? Pineappman ( talk) 17:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Where's the map? Pineappman ( talk) 17:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
The first sentence of the intro had emphasized that this province was "landlocked." While technically true, this strikes me as rather odd to emphasize in the first sentence of the intro of an article about a sub-national entity. The [Colorado]] article, for example, doesn't mention the state lacking a coastline, and I don't believe any of the articles on US states mention it in their first sentence. Being "landlocked" is more relevant for sovereign independent states than subdivisions thereof. - 2003:CA:872F:268C:F4D1:7329:A842:E715 ( talk) 13:04, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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I changed a statement because Outer Mongolia didn't really become part of the Qing empire before 1688/91, and the Inner Mongolian were not all subjugated by the Manchu - a number of them joined voluntarily because they felt alienated by Ligden Khan. Yaan 12:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
The Hohhot article states that the city became capital of the IMAR in 1947. This article states that the IMAR initially only covered Hulunbuir. At least one of the two is wrong, and maybe both. Yaan 17:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Using it to denominate GDP numbers doesn't make much sense. Should just use US dollars like everyone else, so that meaningful comparisons can easily be made. Theige ( talk) 23:05, 17 November 2009 (UTC)Theige
I have deleted the second paragraph in the government and politics section. It was full of biased, and more importantly, unsourced opinions, and completely disregard the neutrality standard. The so called reference listed in the paragraph was a broken link to a non-existent website (www1.chinesenewsnet.com).
Example: "...politics, however, has had a history of concentrating more on showpiece projects, such as widening roads, building architecturally exotic buildings, etc., as opposed to dealing with the needs of the overwhelming majority. The superficial development is often done to impress the central government."
-Where is the source for that, and who was the one giving that obvious biased opinion? How is infrastructure development that creates jobs and better living conditions, showpiece projects done to "impress the government?" Are all newly built buildings with contemporary designs different from the decade, maybe even century-old architecture considered exotic and unneeded? What is the "need for the overwhelming majority?"
Another example from the paragraph: "As a direct result, Chu's governing style is known to be the new autonomy political wave where leaders in Autonomous Regions, Shanghai, and Guangdong in particular deviate policy in opposition to central government directives."
-His governing style is known by whom? Where did you get the fact that Shanghai and Guangdong deviates their policies?
Obviously my view on that matter is completely different, I apologize if my previous comments seem like I want to open a political debate, I don't, especially not here. It is important that personal opinions such as mine, or those contained originally in the deleted paragraph, cannot be included in the article. This problem is seen in many articles, and neutrality as well as removal of personal or unreliably-source opinions has to be enforced. Thus I removed the paragraph to make the article as neutral as possible. The first paragraph also needs editing but its tone and lack of neutrality is not as blatant. Please discuss before you make anymore changes in this section. Chen19711 ( talk) 05:37, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I shortened the abbreviation to the Meng character, in accordance to how this is handled for the other parts of China, like Ningxia or Tibet. Yaan 16:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
While the correct pinyin for 內蒙古 is of course Nèi Měnggǔ, the official PRC transscription for 內蒙古 (as used in passports etc) seems indeed to be Nei Monggol. The Chinese even had an asteroid named after it! So, which transscription should be used - Menggu, Monggol, or both? Yaan 13:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Nei Mongol Zizhiqu (with only one 'g', though) is used in the 1989 Atlas of the People's Republic of China by China Foreign Language Press and the China Cartographic Publishing House (page: 2). The same goes for the The national agricultural atlas of the People's Republic of China (more precisely, the English translation thereof) from the same year by the China Cartographic Publishing House (p: ~138). I guess this is official enough for the moment, unless you have newer info to confirms the contrary. Until then, I'm going to restore the mention of Nei Mongol (with one 'g' for the time being) in the intro sentence.
The Atlas of the PRC also lists as short name 'Nei Mongol', in contrast to all the other provinces and ARs that only use one-character short names. But since the table entry reads "Abbreviation", I think using only Meng is OK, since it is indeed a common abbreviation, for example on car plaques. Yaan 15:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Why is it "Nèi Měnggǔ" and not "Nèiměnggǔ"? The Pinyin rules for geographical names clearly states that commonly used proper names should be written together even if it includes parts that would normally be written apart (“通名已专名化的,按专名处理”). That's why it's "Hēilóngjiāng" and not "Hēilóng Jiāng", and "Nèiměnggǔ" should be exactly the same. Besides, I haven't seen any convincing proof that "Nèi Měnggǔ" is indeed "official". 85.180.65.236 ( talk) 01:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I've added the official Mongolian names for most of the colleges and universities listed.
Just to clarify, Chifeng University is simply 'ulaγanqada degedü surγaγuli' - the genitive is optional in names of the form <proper noun> + <college>; it is only strictly necessary when a word between the proper noun and the word 'college' or 'university' needs to act attributively. Compare 'begejing yeke surγaγuli'/'ulaγanqada degedü surγaγuli' with 'öbür mongγol-un emnelge-yin degedü surγaγuli'/'öbür mongγol-un aju üiledbüri-yin yeke surγaγuli'. -- emyrpugh (emyrpugh) ( talk) 01:32, 26 January 2010
It seems many articles are not equiped with Mongolian language (in some article the English name had to transcripted from Hanyu Pinyin). Please update additional information of articles related to Mongol Autonomous areas refering this map in Mongolian language. Thank you! -- 虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ( talk) 07:32, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I partially reverted one edit in the polictics section, as Inner mongolia is not just any province of china. It's called an autonomous region, therefore the fact that the most powerful person is from somewhere else is somewhat special, even if this is normal for the provinces. Yaan ( talk) 11:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Someone has deleted the remark about the usual ethnicity of inner mongolia's cpc secretaries again. Chu Bo and Liu Mingzu are both Han Chinese according to http://chinavitae.com/biography/Chu_Bo and http://chinavitae.com/biography/Liu_Mingzu/bio. Wang Qun seems to be Han Chinese via http://cpc.people.com.cn/GB/64162/64168/64566/65447/4441805.html (I don't really speak Chinese, but the list seems to give an indication in brackets if someone is female or member of a minority. 王群 appears without such a remark. Zhou Hui 周惠 seems to be Han according to http://cpc.people.com.cn/GB/64162/64168/64565/65448/4429494.html, and You Taizhong 尤太忠 seems to be Han Chinese according to http://cpc.people.com.cn/GB/64162/64168/64562/65450/4429429.html. So, unless someone tells me I mixed people up or got something else seriously wrong, I am going to re-add something along the lines of "Since the cultural revolution, the region's party secretaries are usually Han Chinese" some time after Christmas. Yaan ( talk) 20:54, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information about Zhou Hui, one of Inner Mongolia's CPC secretaries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayjen8 ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Zhou Hui, native of Guannan, Jiangsu,is ethnic Han. [2] 134.76.63.49 ( talk) 00:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
ᠺᠢᠷᠢᠯᠯ ᠦᠰᠡᠭ ᠪᠣᠯ ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠬᠡᠯᠡᠨ᠋ ᠡ ᠬᠡᠷᠡᠭᠯᠡᠳᠡᠭ ᠨᠢᠭᠡᠨ ᠪᠢᠴᠢᠭ ᠮᠥᠨ ᠳᠣᠯᠠ ᠪᠢᠳᠡᠭᠡᠢ ᠠᠷᠢᠯᠭᠠᠷᠠᠢ᠃ ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠋ ᠢᠠᠷ ᠬᠠᠷᠢᠭᠣᠯᠪᠠᠯ ᠪᠠᠶᠠᠷᠯᠠᠮᠣᠢ᠃ ༄༅།།གང་ཐུ་ཡཱ།། ( talk) 15:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
To User:Benlisquare: The name of Inner Mongolia should be shown in Cyrillic, because this is one of the modern scripts of the Mongolian language which is the language of the indigenous population of Inner Mongolia. I see that you don't know the Cyrillic alphabet. Yet I have seen you cannot read the Traditional Mongolian script. Because Mongolian is not your native language. Nevertheless, please put aside your xenophobia and cooperate to solve the issue in a friendly manner. ༄༅།།གང་ཐུ་ཡཱ།། ( talk) 15:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
(dedent) Any language and any script would "add information", so that alone is not a valid argument to include any of them. WP:DRDR is a very obscure essay (the personal opinion of one editor), not a guideline. Since the vast majority of our "dear readers" can read neither cyrillic nor mongolian script, I don't quite see how it is relevant here. I also don't understand what you're trying to say with your last paragraph. A script is foreign to a place where the locals have never used it for their own purposes. No gut feeling is involved in that definition at all. -- Latebird ( talk) 09:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
From a practical point of view, it is very nice for an encyclopedia to cover Cyrillic-Uyghurjin conversion for Mongolian proper names.
-- Nanshu ( talk) 13:34, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
The link to SMHRIC should be removed. To be clear, SMHRIC is not a general human rights clearinghouse, as some of the better known international organizations are. This is an organization with an exclusive focus on the ethnic Mongol minority, and that by its name and publications wants to annex this region to Mongolia, thereby disenfranchising the majority population of this region. Even if this organization were a well-respected human rights organization with a broad focus, and not a fringe ethnic separatist organization, the obviously biased presentation would still be odious to common sense and established policy. Also, HXL49's comparison between this group and the Inner Mongolia official website is a false equivalence, because links to official websites of the subject are encouraged, and they are always uniquely useful. This article should not be a vehicle for anti-CPC activism. Quigley ( talk) 05:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank you ALL for your patience. I'll be back soon. ༄༅།།གང་ཐུ་ཡཱ།། ( talk) 13:59, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Gantuya let's see who is hardline here. Narangoa is certainly not "neutral", if it holds the "taming" viewpoint. Administrative information is obviously far more neutral, as long as it avoids politics. -- HXL 's Roundtable, and Record 14:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
This article is incomplete in the sense that it does not say anything of how Mongols are suppressed under long-hated Chinese yoke. How they we brutally tortured during the so-called "culture revolution" of that so called Mau zeetuun. Someone who knows the data please publicese in this article how many Inner MOngolians were killed, how many were jailed and how many disabled during MAuism at crude paws of han chinese. A few years a young Inner Mongolian poet died in jail. He was arrested only because he wrote a poem about his dream to see Kharkhorin. Another Inner Mongolian liberty seeker was kidnapped at the doors of the UN office in Ulaanbaatar by Chinese secret police, which doesn't hesitate to kidnap people at the territory of other soveeiring states. Such prominent fighters for freedom and independence of Mongols such as Ulaangerel and others must be named in this article. Wikipedia is reflection of truth, not an instrument of propaganda of Chinese COmmunist party, and chinese intelligence. The liberation movement IS part of the history of Inner Mongolia. THis is article is mere propaganda hiding that aspects. Monkh Naran ( talk) 02:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
And this link http://www.smhric.org must stay in this article. This organization must be mentioned explixitly because this is part of Inner Mongolia and of it's people. This is not the only organization. THere are many more. Their websites must be found and added to this article. Wikipedia is NOT for chinese taste. Sorry for this tough, strong, powerful, streigt forward Mongol tone. It comes from me natural. Monkh Naran ( talk) 02:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
@ Kim Han Gul:
You keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 00:34, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Gantuya, having a picture just for the sake of "decorating" an article violates our image use policy. And I simply won't tolerate accusations of censorship from pests like you who can't see a mention of several purges and other things at the bottom of the history section. -- HXL 's Roundtable, and Record 15:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Gantuya eng's idea can be quoted as: a human rights link balance a administrative link, 2 human rights links balance 2 administrative links. –– 虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 14:04, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi everyone, why not try to make Wikipiedia be a more pleasure and less political place? If Wikipedia is political-oriented, then North Korea and Soviet Union for example will contain a lot of such links, and the photos of all leaders and activists should be shown. It will be an excellent gallery. -:) -- MettALS ( talk) 05:18, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
The script in the top of the infobox displays wrongly (vertically, but from right to left instead left to right) on the computer I currently use (Windows Vista, IE7). Also, the word Monggol looks strange - the ng, more precisely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaan ( talk • contribs) 01:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Nice job with the image. I think it is a significant improvement, even if not perfect, since the text can now be seen by everyone. This sort of thing should be done more often, especially with rare scripts like Mongolian that most people don't have the special fonts for. shoeofdeath 07:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
-- Brettz9 ( talk) 13:21, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I am a new user and i preferred to discuss the followwing matter in the talk page before editing it, or asking that anyone edits it.
Shouldn't the section "Languages and dialects" of the table updated with Chinese and Mongolian languages and maybe some minnor ethnic groups like russians or koreans?
Breizhcatalonia1993 ( talk) 10:08, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there a reliable source that states that Baotou is still unambiguously the 'largest city' in Inner Mongolia, over Hohhot? Also, how do we define largest city? Are we incorporating the prefecture as a whole? The urban population? It may be better to write the lede with more nuance? Colipon+( Talk) 02:13, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
After coming across this little list of some recent editions of foreign literature translated into Mongolian, I wondered if similar work is being done in Inner Mongolia? Any idea where on could find out? Yaan ( talk) 22:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
The Qing Emperors noted the rising Han population in Chengde so they detached it from Inner Mongolia and attached it to Hebei instead.
http://www.phil-fak.uni-koeln.de/fileadmin/chinastudien/papers/No_1998-1.pdf
Rajmaan ( talk) 22:54, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
A Sogdian Colony in Inner Mongolia Edwin G. Pulleyblank T'oung Pao Second Series, Vol. 41, Livr. 4/5 (1952), pp. 317-356 Published by: BRILL Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4527336
http://www.jstor.org/discover/4527336?sid=21104974115831&uid=2&uid=2129&uid=3739256&uid=70&uid=4
http://booksandjournals.brillonline.com/content/journals/10.1163/156853252x00094?crawler=true
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/240680640_A_Sogdian_Colony_in_Inner_Mongolia
http://www.cais-soas. com/CAIS/Culture/peculiarities_sogdian.htm
Rajmaan ( talk) 05:03, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Advocating to correct the result of wrong translation of Mongolian words "Öbür" and "Ar" and to use “Southern" and "Northern" instead of "Inner" and "Outer" for Mongolian divisions has its undeniable justifiability. Wikipedia has always been one-sided, in which the editing community largely lean toward Chinese propaganda side, due merely to the numeric advantage of Chinese presence fueled by Chinese national as well as imperial mindset. Wikipedia, mostly consisted of Westerners who are ignorant of oriental matters, out of convenience decided only to go by the Chinese propaganda and even cracked down on minority Mongolian attempts to make correction in this article several times. One of those imperial minded Chinese even put in this article the following line: "In Chinese, the region is known as "Inner Mongolia", where the terms of "Inner/Outer" are derived from Manchu dorgi/tulergi (cf. Mongolian dotugadu/gadagadu)" This is totally baseless, ignorant, ridiculous and most of all, outright arrogant. It's long overdue that this history should end, folks. Come to your sense and research the subject with humbleness, and enough thoroughness. Here is an article in which the author, a Mongol writer from Southern Mongolia, states the origin of the words and Mongolian side of the understanding of his own nation's names: 大清国把蒙古分成内、外两部,位于漠南并先于北方加入到大清国的部分叫“内蒙古”,这是以大清国为中心的具有殖民色彩的名称,因此当代蒙古人逐渐摒弃这一名称,取而代之,恢复原有的“漠南蒙古”,简称南蒙古。 Link: http://www.smhric.org/Chino_415.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.141.66 ( talk) 16:52, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
"In Mongolian, the region is known as öbör mongγol where öbör can mean south, inner, front, bosom, breast."
In Turkish, which has some loan words from Mongolian, "öbür" means "other". Can Mongolian word have the same meaning which would make the "öbür mongyul", the "Other Mongolia"? - IIIIIIIII ( talk) 00:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be any information about religion in Inner Mongolia, even in the statistics. Buddhism was obviously a strong force in the area at one time. When did it come there and what place does it hold in modern Inner Mongolia? Dadadaddyo ( talk) 05:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
It came with the conquest of Tibet and China (mainly Tibet as Mongolian Buddhism is basically Tibetan Buddhism). Its still a strong force but has been suppresed somewhat (barely to be honest) by the state due to connections to Tibetan Buddhism and the Dalai Lama. There are monastaries near all the major cities and religious ceremony is still carried out. Due to the large number of ethnic Chinese in Inner Mongolia, there are many Chinese Buddhist ("blue" Buddhist as opposed to the "yellow" Tibetan Buddhism) Temples as well. (dont know how to sign) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.37.150 ( talk) 01:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
What about Tengerism and other pagan beliefs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.81.170 ( talk) 01:24, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Recently somebody have mentioned a term 漠南蒙古. Here I must say that the term 漠南蒙古 is different to “Southern Mongolia”. “Southern Mongolia”=Front Mongolia=Inner Mongolia include both 漠南蒙古 (Chahar, Ordos), 漠北蒙古 (Halh), 漠西蒙古 (Four Oirats) and Bargu-Buriat. 漠南蒙古 is a tribe/aimag name, rather than aregion name. –– 虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 14:16, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Mongolian lands in Russia, are what in Mandarin? Super-outer Mongolians (from Space)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.81.170 ( talk) 01:29, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
The beginning paragraph originally only shows "s" and "c" for Mongolian script and Cyrillic. I have changed it to show "Mongolian script" and "Cyrillic" instead. -- Cartakes ( talk) 22:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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There is a large gap of history missing between when 'Inner Mongolia' as we know today were traditionally inhabited by Mongols (and ethnic Manchus to some extent in the north-east corner) to the colonization and settling of Han Chinese today which makes over 80% nowadays of the population. This narrative needs to be explained, specially under Qing Rule, yet someone keeps editing and minimising this important part of Inner Mongolian history to a mere 'revisionist' sentence or two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.81.170 ( talk) 01:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
I have added Template:npov-section template to the "Communist era" section because its content is now biased. Hope someone can cleanup for it, thanks! -- Evecurid ( talk) 02:44, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
These western media articles about Ordos do not mention any corruption or waste. There is no ghost town there. It's just a media phase used when Chinese do long-term urban development. See Under-occupied developments in China "Some journalists have pointed to the Ordos Kangbashi ghost city stories as an example of media hastily and often misinformed reporting of developments in China. Reporting that often eschews perspectives of local officials and experts in favor attracting readers unfamiliar with China’s development model and bemused at China's perceived backwardness". Having been to Kangbashi_District, it is a functioning city. This is all outdated. 220.240.17.118 ( talk) 14:38, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
It is good for people to be interested in their own country. People of Mongolic origin live in many countries in the world, including republic of Mongolia, China, Russia, Central Asian states, and so on. Similarly, people of Spanish origin also live in many countries in the world, such as Spain, Mexico, South American and African countries. Each citizen has their country to love, though not necessary the same country, even if they originally belong to the same origin. Mexico is arguably the biggest Spanish-speaking country, though obviously Spanish people living in Peru does not need to love Mexico, but will love and protect Peru. This is very normal, but these people will live peacefully together, even though they are from different countries. -- MettALS ( talk) 07:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Wouldn't an article like Northern Ireland be listed as both British and Irish topics? Same vis-a-vis Kosovo with Albania and Serbia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.81.170 ( talk) 01:27, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
I don't have a personal bias in this discussion, but I am very surprised that there is no mention of what is referred to as the Jindandao Incident. [1]. Surely a massacre of (some estimate) 500,000 people, and a precursor to 20th century acts of genocide, would be a topic that must be addressed in the history pages. It does look, to an outsider, rather like a strong pro-chinese bias when an event of that magnitude just "goes missing". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AA16:587F:FF80:B967:9233:C790:21F5 ( talk) 23:14, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
References
Where's the map? Pineappman ( talk) 17:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Where's the map? Pineappman ( talk) 17:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
The first sentence of the intro had emphasized that this province was "landlocked." While technically true, this strikes me as rather odd to emphasize in the first sentence of the intro of an article about a sub-national entity. The [Colorado]] article, for example, doesn't mention the state lacking a coastline, and I don't believe any of the articles on US states mention it in their first sentence. Being "landlocked" is more relevant for sovereign independent states than subdivisions thereof. - 2003:CA:872F:268C:F4D1:7329:A842:E715 ( talk) 13:04, 18 September 2022 (UTC)