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I'd like to suggest taking colleges and universities that offer IS undergrad and postgrad courses, and splitting it off as a separate list page - while I think it is useful, it should either be a (very) select list (in which case the criteria for inclusion needs to be defined) or a fully inclusive one - and if it is the latter it will rapidly get to big for this page. Bilby ( talk) 02:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
In my opinion, an information system is any system that contains or transfers information. This applies to all systems in the cosmos but particularly to the minds of humans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeorgeFarahatMIS ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
It seems to me that this article mostly consists of a disambiguation section followed by what seems to be a description of what is claimed to be an academic field that overlaps very closely with management information systems.
Shouldn't the description of what is claimed to be an academic field that overlaps very closely with management information systems be merged into management information system and this page converted to purely a disambiguation page?
Alternatively, if there exists a concept "information systems" which is standardised among management information system people and is sufficiently distinct from management information system, then probably a page like information systems (management) should be created independently of the two existing pages, based on the content beyond the disambiguation list here. Boud ( talk) 22:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I removed the section "Study of information systems". That section was showing the temporary situation of the current studies in information systems world wide.
Such a subject doesn't fit in a regular Wikipedia article. I do think that section could be developed into a list like the List of systems engineering at universities. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker ( talk) 11:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
A new section "Information systems research" has been added, which hopefully can be a replacement for the previous "Study" section. The reference to Ciborra has been merged into this new section. Good call re. the previous section not being acceptable. I plan on coming back to the article from time to time for improvements.-- Flavonoid ( talk) 02:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Pfuchs - With all due respect I agree with Nurg in the discussion page of Information System. What was there is not a definition, nor is it "widely" accepted. Just because something is source-able and true doesn't mean it is suited to task. What I put there was a definition. Now we are just left with a "metaphor". Rather than get in a reversion war, I will give you sometime to respond. Tee Owe ( talk) 22:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I have added a definition section which can is a general description of what the discipline of IS is concerned with. I think it is necessary not to leave the article without a definition. Then this definition, I think, clearly connects to other parts of the article creating a natural consistency and also showing the reader the focus and interest of IS as a discipline. Perhaps other definitions can be added to give wider perspectives on it. -- Thesocialweb ( talk) 07:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay, it has been over a month since I explained the issue with introduction and first sentence and how it is in conflict with the Wikipedia Manual of Style. Nothing of substance was changed. Once again, I am putting in a compliant first sentence, living the other information as part of the subject introduction. Please DO NOT REVERT or DELETE. If you want to improve the introductory sentence, please ensure it still complies with the WP:MOS - Thanks - Todd Tee Owe ( talk) 22:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm rather confused by the existence of two articles: Information system and Information systems (discipline). Are there well-established examples of other Wikipedia topics being split in this way? Having a quick look around, there seem to be many topics where the main article is also explicitly the article about the discipline. Eg, knowledge management, civil engineering, project management, Web engineering, graphic design, business analysis, integrated marketing, social pedagogy, organizational communication, narrative inquiry, spatial design. Nurg ( talk) 11:15, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
I am in agreement with Nurg as well, but to initially define a term(s) with the same term(s) does not add clarity for the reader and is somewhat embarrassing to present. Splitting "information systems" into separate articles only adds to this dilemma (I agree). In this regard, many disciplines contain sub-fields for people to focus upon as a possible career and information systems is no exception to this rule. I would like to consider properly aligning "information systems" with a more conventional definition (as an opening) backed by accepted research in this area ~ it just adds credibility; otherwise we are only speculating...
Any ideas? -- Pfuchs722 ( talk) 03:32, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I suggest it really isn't that complex a distinction, unless one insists on being too literal and forgetting context. There is a class of things (information systems) and the study of using that class of things (Information Systems, the discipline / organizational function). Analogs include employees / human resources and the Human Resources discipline, finances and Finance, GL accounts and Accounting, consumer markets and Marketing, and others. Nurg's examples are mostly specious I think. To test this, use the article "a" or "an" before the ideas to see if it a class of things as well as the study/application of that class of things:
a knowledge management - no, a class of things example is a document
a civil engineering - no, classes of things include a bridge, a dam, a wastewater system
a project management - no, the class of things is a project
a web engineering - no, the class of things is a website
a graphic design - no, the class things might be an image or a logo
a business analysis - not really, but this is a bit closer; one might undertake a business analysis activity, but to analyze business activity, data and requirements, which are in the domain of interest to business analysis.
an integrated marketing - no, and I am not sure the class of things dealt with here are markets. Are there products? No matter; this is still not a class of things like an information system is.
a narrative inquiry - a coincidental class of things not specifically in the domain of those practicing narrative inquiry; things in the domain here are collections of anecdotal material.
a spatial design - another coincidence like above; here space, people and location are relevant classes of things
In summary, an information system is a class of things and Information Systems is the discipline or organizational function that is most concerned with their application and use.
I further suggest it is not possible to define Information systems (discipline) without mentioning information systems (class of things), just as Narrative Inquiry cannot be defined without mentioning collections of anecdotal material. Until such a time when an outside source makes a suitable definition available, the best we can do is intelligently "speculate" (actually synthesizing a definition is hardly speculating) on a definition that makes sense. Tee Owe ( talk) 22:27, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
The whole collection of pages on information systems is a bit of a mess Information systems (discipline), Information system, Management information system, Executive information system ... and the rest. I like to think I know a bit about the area but I don't know how somebody who wants an encyclopaedic definition / description would feel about all of this. There must be some way of putting all of this material together in a more logical way.
Compo ( talk) 17:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Considering a second paragraph after the opening; I would like to propose the following:
Also, many more sources can be cited for the above passage... Any ideas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pfuchs722 ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
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Information Systems (IS) is a multidisciplinary field of study that addresses the range of strategic, managerial and operational activities involved in the gathering, processing, storing, distributing and use of information, and its associated technologies, in society and organizations. The term information systems is also used to describe an organizational function that applies IS knowledge in industry, government agencies and not-for-profit organizations. [1]
A scientific discipline can be interdisciplinary but not multidisciplinary. Also, there's no source cited for the complex introductory sentence which is misleading to the reader. This does not comply with WP standards as referenced. Pfuchs722 ( talk) 01:54, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I just reverted some changes from GrouchoBot (for nl and de), and I'm afraid a lot of other language links are wrong too. This page is about the discipline, and not about "information system". Does somebody know how to stop GrouchoBot from reverting this, and to get the other links corrected too? SchreyP ( talk) 19:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
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In the introducing text and in it's caption the Image CS_Venn_Diagram is described as a Venn diagram; the Wikipedia-page on Venn diagram states "a Venn diagram for n component sets must contain all 2n hypothetically possible zones that correspond to some combination of inclusion or exclusion in each of the component sets." and therefore creates a logical conflict since the image doesn't contain all (set theoretically) possible zones.
I propose that the usage of the word "Venn" be replaced by "Euler" (see Euler diagram). Alternatively the actual image could be changed to show a "real" Venn Diagram, though this would change the meaning of it. 92.104.147.231 ( talk) 22:51, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Did anyone look at the image? It was entirely meaningless. I think it may have been a posted by a troll or at best a well-meaning but confused person. I removed it. Bhny ( talk) 22:47, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Nope? Excellent, I'm removing it :) Dracunculus ( talk) 02:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
I hope we can all agree that if we don't yet have a separate article for the study of information systems, the only article on both that topic and the focus of that study should be first and mostly about the systems, not the academic study of them (just like in the article on information technology and probably all other similar technology subjects). So if we can agree that Wikipedia needs an article on the systems more than on the study of them (on which a new, separate article can be made later), the current article should talk first (and mostly) about the systems. -- Espoo ( talk) 12:53, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
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I'd like to suggest taking colleges and universities that offer IS undergrad and postgrad courses, and splitting it off as a separate list page - while I think it is useful, it should either be a (very) select list (in which case the criteria for inclusion needs to be defined) or a fully inclusive one - and if it is the latter it will rapidly get to big for this page. Bilby ( talk) 02:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
In my opinion, an information system is any system that contains or transfers information. This applies to all systems in the cosmos but particularly to the minds of humans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeorgeFarahatMIS ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
It seems to me that this article mostly consists of a disambiguation section followed by what seems to be a description of what is claimed to be an academic field that overlaps very closely with management information systems.
Shouldn't the description of what is claimed to be an academic field that overlaps very closely with management information systems be merged into management information system and this page converted to purely a disambiguation page?
Alternatively, if there exists a concept "information systems" which is standardised among management information system people and is sufficiently distinct from management information system, then probably a page like information systems (management) should be created independently of the two existing pages, based on the content beyond the disambiguation list here. Boud ( talk) 22:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I removed the section "Study of information systems". That section was showing the temporary situation of the current studies in information systems world wide.
Such a subject doesn't fit in a regular Wikipedia article. I do think that section could be developed into a list like the List of systems engineering at universities. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker ( talk) 11:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
A new section "Information systems research" has been added, which hopefully can be a replacement for the previous "Study" section. The reference to Ciborra has been merged into this new section. Good call re. the previous section not being acceptable. I plan on coming back to the article from time to time for improvements.-- Flavonoid ( talk) 02:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Pfuchs - With all due respect I agree with Nurg in the discussion page of Information System. What was there is not a definition, nor is it "widely" accepted. Just because something is source-able and true doesn't mean it is suited to task. What I put there was a definition. Now we are just left with a "metaphor". Rather than get in a reversion war, I will give you sometime to respond. Tee Owe ( talk) 22:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I have added a definition section which can is a general description of what the discipline of IS is concerned with. I think it is necessary not to leave the article without a definition. Then this definition, I think, clearly connects to other parts of the article creating a natural consistency and also showing the reader the focus and interest of IS as a discipline. Perhaps other definitions can be added to give wider perspectives on it. -- Thesocialweb ( talk) 07:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay, it has been over a month since I explained the issue with introduction and first sentence and how it is in conflict with the Wikipedia Manual of Style. Nothing of substance was changed. Once again, I am putting in a compliant first sentence, living the other information as part of the subject introduction. Please DO NOT REVERT or DELETE. If you want to improve the introductory sentence, please ensure it still complies with the WP:MOS - Thanks - Todd Tee Owe ( talk) 22:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm rather confused by the existence of two articles: Information system and Information systems (discipline). Are there well-established examples of other Wikipedia topics being split in this way? Having a quick look around, there seem to be many topics where the main article is also explicitly the article about the discipline. Eg, knowledge management, civil engineering, project management, Web engineering, graphic design, business analysis, integrated marketing, social pedagogy, organizational communication, narrative inquiry, spatial design. Nurg ( talk) 11:15, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
I am in agreement with Nurg as well, but to initially define a term(s) with the same term(s) does not add clarity for the reader and is somewhat embarrassing to present. Splitting "information systems" into separate articles only adds to this dilemma (I agree). In this regard, many disciplines contain sub-fields for people to focus upon as a possible career and information systems is no exception to this rule. I would like to consider properly aligning "information systems" with a more conventional definition (as an opening) backed by accepted research in this area ~ it just adds credibility; otherwise we are only speculating...
Any ideas? -- Pfuchs722 ( talk) 03:32, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I suggest it really isn't that complex a distinction, unless one insists on being too literal and forgetting context. There is a class of things (information systems) and the study of using that class of things (Information Systems, the discipline / organizational function). Analogs include employees / human resources and the Human Resources discipline, finances and Finance, GL accounts and Accounting, consumer markets and Marketing, and others. Nurg's examples are mostly specious I think. To test this, use the article "a" or "an" before the ideas to see if it a class of things as well as the study/application of that class of things:
a knowledge management - no, a class of things example is a document
a civil engineering - no, classes of things include a bridge, a dam, a wastewater system
a project management - no, the class of things is a project
a web engineering - no, the class of things is a website
a graphic design - no, the class things might be an image or a logo
a business analysis - not really, but this is a bit closer; one might undertake a business analysis activity, but to analyze business activity, data and requirements, which are in the domain of interest to business analysis.
an integrated marketing - no, and I am not sure the class of things dealt with here are markets. Are there products? No matter; this is still not a class of things like an information system is.
a narrative inquiry - a coincidental class of things not specifically in the domain of those practicing narrative inquiry; things in the domain here are collections of anecdotal material.
a spatial design - another coincidence like above; here space, people and location are relevant classes of things
In summary, an information system is a class of things and Information Systems is the discipline or organizational function that is most concerned with their application and use.
I further suggest it is not possible to define Information systems (discipline) without mentioning information systems (class of things), just as Narrative Inquiry cannot be defined without mentioning collections of anecdotal material. Until such a time when an outside source makes a suitable definition available, the best we can do is intelligently "speculate" (actually synthesizing a definition is hardly speculating) on a definition that makes sense. Tee Owe ( talk) 22:27, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
The whole collection of pages on information systems is a bit of a mess Information systems (discipline), Information system, Management information system, Executive information system ... and the rest. I like to think I know a bit about the area but I don't know how somebody who wants an encyclopaedic definition / description would feel about all of this. There must be some way of putting all of this material together in a more logical way.
Compo ( talk) 17:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Considering a second paragraph after the opening; I would like to propose the following:
Also, many more sources can be cited for the above passage... Any ideas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pfuchs722 ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
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Information Systems (IS) is a multidisciplinary field of study that addresses the range of strategic, managerial and operational activities involved in the gathering, processing, storing, distributing and use of information, and its associated technologies, in society and organizations. The term information systems is also used to describe an organizational function that applies IS knowledge in industry, government agencies and not-for-profit organizations. [1]
A scientific discipline can be interdisciplinary but not multidisciplinary. Also, there's no source cited for the complex introductory sentence which is misleading to the reader. This does not comply with WP standards as referenced. Pfuchs722 ( talk) 01:54, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I just reverted some changes from GrouchoBot (for nl and de), and I'm afraid a lot of other language links are wrong too. This page is about the discipline, and not about "information system". Does somebody know how to stop GrouchoBot from reverting this, and to get the other links corrected too? SchreyP ( talk) 19:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=information+system&i=44963,00.asp. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. SchreyP ( messages) 12:52, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
In the introducing text and in it's caption the Image CS_Venn_Diagram is described as a Venn diagram; the Wikipedia-page on Venn diagram states "a Venn diagram for n component sets must contain all 2n hypothetically possible zones that correspond to some combination of inclusion or exclusion in each of the component sets." and therefore creates a logical conflict since the image doesn't contain all (set theoretically) possible zones.
I propose that the usage of the word "Venn" be replaced by "Euler" (see Euler diagram). Alternatively the actual image could be changed to show a "real" Venn Diagram, though this would change the meaning of it. 92.104.147.231 ( talk) 22:51, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Did anyone look at the image? It was entirely meaningless. I think it may have been a posted by a troll or at best a well-meaning but confused person. I removed it. Bhny ( talk) 22:47, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Nope? Excellent, I'm removing it :) Dracunculus ( talk) 02:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
I hope we can all agree that if we don't yet have a separate article for the study of information systems, the only article on both that topic and the focus of that study should be first and mostly about the systems, not the academic study of them (just like in the article on information technology and probably all other similar technology subjects). So if we can agree that Wikipedia needs an article on the systems more than on the study of them (on which a new, separate article can be made later), the current article should talk first (and mostly) about the systems. -- Espoo ( talk) 12:53, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
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